moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part private parts need to be covered up.

But why? You refuse to answer that question.

Why does the question need to be answered? American culture equates female breasts as being private parts.

Demanding the answer to “Why?” is as good as asking “Why not?”

American culture, like all other cultures, is pretty dumb. Who cares what it equates?

My point, AGAIN, is no one is making any objective argument as to why women are harmed or oppressed in any way by wearing bras or bikini tops when and where men are not required to.

“Equality” is about women being treated fairly. There is no evidence that wearing clothing that covers breasts is unfair. There is no evidence that it should be declared as not indecent. And most women to not disagree.

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

dahmage said:

can we get this back to being a politics thread?

This can cover social issues too, and it’s very privileged for you to take the position you are taking now.

sorry warb, but i am stealing your bit

*sigh*

You’re basically saying that this issue doesn’t matter, which, I think, should be pretty offensive towards women.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

because nobody wants to see any of these people topless.

Nobody? Pretty sure some men want to see women topless.

I can’t believe that I have to point this out, but nudity outside of very specific contexts is incredibly unattractive.

fact: some men pay to see women topless.

lawl.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part private parts need to be covered up.

But why? You refuse to answer that question.

Why does the question need to be answered? American culture equates female breasts as being private parts.

Demanding the answer to “Why?” is as good as asking “Why not?”

American culture, like all other cultures, is pretty dumb. Who cares what it equates?

My point, AGAIN, is no one is making any objective argument as to why women are harmed or oppressed in any way by wearing bras or bikini tops when and where men are not required to.

Who the hell cares about whether’s there an objective argument? Seems freaking pointless to me.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part private parts need to be covered up.

But why? You refuse to answer that question.

Why does the question need to be answered? American culture equates female breasts as being private parts.

Demanding the answer to “Why?” is as good as asking “Why not?”

American culture, like all other cultures, is pretty dumb. Who cares what it equates?

My point, AGAIN, is no one is making any objective argument as to why women are harmed or oppressed in any way by wearing bras or bikini tops when and where men are not required to.

I didn’t say they were. I don’t like requiring people to do anything that makes no sense so I’m opposed to this double standard. You don’t have to find something oppressive to thinks it’s stupid!

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

yhwx said:

dahmage said:

dahmage said:

can we get this back to being a politics thread?

This can cover social issues too, and it’s very privileged for you to take the position you are taking now.

sorry warb, but i am stealing your bit

*sigh*

You’re basically saying that this issue doesn’t matter, which, I think, should be pretty offensive towards women.

Nope, i am saying the three of you talking for 5 pages doesn’t matter. you guys aren’t exactly doing anything about the issue.

Discussion is important. It raises awareness about the issue. I am hoping that if I have this argument enough times, hearts and minds will change. If you immerse yourself in and opinion for enough time, you may acknowledge the merit in it.

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part private parts need to be covered up.

But why? You refuse to answer that question.

Why does the question need to be answered? American culture equates female breasts as being private parts.

Demanding the answer to “Why?” is as good as asking “Why not?”

American culture, like all other cultures, is pretty dumb. Who cares what it equates?

My point, AGAIN, is no one is making any objective argument as to why women are harmed or oppressed in any way by wearing bras or bikini tops when and where men are not required to.

Who the hell cares about whether’s there an objective argument? Seems freaking pointless to me.

Because subjectivity can always be refuted. Obviously. Objectivity can be denied, sure, but that doesn’t change the facts it is based on.

Why would you say objectivity is not important to a discussion?

Frink, don’t be an ass.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

That’s a problem.

Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?

The latter.

That “problem” goes beyond the scope of just this forum. It not going to change anytime soon. Men and women just like to watch different kinds of movies/tv shows.

My sister liked to watch Freaks and Geeks with me like 15 years ago or whenever that show was on, and pretty much that whole thing is about adolescent boys. My sister is a girl. She liked that show. Some shows are obviously geared towards genders, mainly kids shows, but most family and adult entertainment is geared towards a mixed audience.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.

Because it somehow helped?

Not that I can see.

It could have helped.

By getting more diverse people to join the forum?

The thread could have diagnosed the problems that are getting more diverse people to not join the forum, and therefore, put the structures in place that would help more of them join the forum.

And as I said, discussions about diversity are useful. It raises awareness about the issue, which is important.

Its a Star Wars forum. Its not going to attract women.

That’s a problem.

Its a problem a that this place is a Star Wars forum or that Star Wars just doesn’t attract women?

The latter.

No offense but do you actually know any women? This is extremely ignorant.

You called me out, and you are 100% right. I am wrong right here. I think I read or interpreted that question wrong. I think it’s bad that this forum does not attract women. There are also deeper societal reasons as to why this is the case.

I am sorry for my accidental ignorance in this situation. People must always acknowledge when they are wrong. Again, sorry.

As I edited in above, the attitudes some display here […] both in off-topic and outside of it, are not exactly welcoming to women.

This was the point I was trying to make.

yhwx said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part private parts need to be covered up.

But why? You refuse to answer that question.

Why does the question need to be answered? American culture equates female breasts as being private parts.

Demanding the answer to “Why?” is as good as asking “Why not?”

American culture, like all other cultures, is pretty dumb. Who cares what it equates?

My point, AGAIN, is no one is making any objective argument as to why women are harmed or oppressed in any way by wearing bras or bikini tops when and where men are not required to.

Who the hell cares about whether’s there an objective argument? Seems freaking pointless to me.

So what you’re saying is that because there is no factual evidence to back up your argument, that acquiring any is declared a worthless endeavor?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler, if you’re gonna keep saying demonstrably false things about what women like and don’t like, I’m gonna keep insisting you don’t actually know any women.

They’re pretty easy to meet. I hear that 1 in every 2 people is a woman.

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.”
“Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.”

How is this a confusing or controversial response? Is it wrong? Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t.

female breasts = private part private parts need to be covered up.

But why? You refuse to answer that question.

Why does the question need to be answered? American culture equates female breasts as being private parts.

Demanding the answer to “Why?” is as good as asking “Why not?”

American culture, like all other cultures, is pretty dumb. Who cares what it equates?

My point, AGAIN, is no one is making any objective argument as to why women are harmed or oppressed in any way by wearing bras or bikini tops when and where men are not required to.

Who the hell cares about whether’s there an objective argument? Seems freaking pointless to me.

So what you’re saying is that because there is no factual evidence to back up your argument, that acquiring any is declared a worthless endeavor?

You haven’t brought any facts in either other than unrelated historical context.