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Women’s bodies are treated differently than men’s bodies, in part, because men are physically and hormonally affected differently by physical appearance than women and because American culture at large grew out of a more puritanical lifestyle.
To say that things should change because they’ve always been the same is equally as arbitrary as saying that things should remain the same for the same reason.
For example, the reason why women wear bras now instead of corsets has less to do with cultural progressiveness toward women, but more to do with the push to save metal needed to otherwise use in World War I. And while we look down on the use of corsets today, plenty of women back in the day weren’t as bothered by it since it was just part of the culture.
See also: Today I Found Out: How WWI Got Women to Start Wearing Bras
Just because you are progressive and believe women should not have to wear swimsuits that cover their breasts, that does not make their acceptance by the culture objectively wrong and worthy of change. As far as not wearing a bra, I’ve been married long enough to know that there is something to be said for the support they give with regard to any amount of exercise.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Women’s bodies are treated differently than men’s bodies, in part, because men are physically and hormonally affected differently by physical appearance than women
You’re making the exact same argument as Warbler here. “Things should be treated differently because they’re different!”
and because American culture at large grew out of a more puritanical lifestyle.
This is true.
To say that things should change because they’ve always been the same is equally as arbitrary as saying that things should remain the same for the same reason.
Show me one example of somebody saying that “things should change because they’ve always been the same.” Nobody has made that argument.
For example, the reason why women wear bras now instead of corsets has less to do with cultural progressiveness toward women, but more to do with the push to save metal needed to otherwise use in World War I.
Ok. That doesn’t change the discussion that we’re having now. Right now, the reasons are progressiveness.
Women’s bodies are treated differently than men’s bodies, in part, because men are physically and hormonally affected differently by physical appearance than women
You’re making the exact same argument as Warbler here. “Things should be treated differently because they’re different!”
I am not. Women and men are different, emotionally, physically, psychologically, sexually, et al. Therefore, women’s bodies and men’s bodies have objective reasoning for being accepted differently. There are other factors besides something as subjective as “the culture decided to be this way.”
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Show me one example of somebody saying that “things should change because they’ve always been the same.” Nobody has made that argument.
I’m not combing back through this thread, but yes, people may not have overtly made that argument but there is an underlying connotation that they feel things always being the same is an inferior concept.
For what reason should women’s breasts objectively be treated equally to men’s, other than that progressivism says so? Why is changing the way women’s breasts are treated objectively necessary?
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
As far as not wearing a bra, I’ve been married long enough to know that there is something to be said for the support they give with regard to any amount of exercise.
You had to be married to know this?
As far as not wearing a bra, I’ve been married long enough to know that there is something to be said for the support they give with regard to any amount of exercise.
You had to be married to know this?
I had to have a relationship with a woman that was close enough and for long enough that she would tell me this, yes. One can not assume that because they bounce given no support that such bouncing can be uncomfortable or painful. I didn’t know this, nor did it occur to me, because I don’t have breasts.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
What the fuck.
I’m starting to think you’ve never seen a woman.
As far as not wearing a bra, I’ve been married long enough to know that there is something to be said for the support they give with regard to any amount of exercise.
You had to be married to know this?
I had to have a relationship with a woman that was close enough and for long enough that she would tell me this, yes. One can not assume that because they bounce given no support that such bouncing can be uncomfortable or painful. I didn’t know this, nor did it occur to me, because I don’t have breasts.
Wow, ok.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
But why? Why is the current standard of decency objectively bad?
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be changed. I’m not saying it should be changed. I’m saying either argument is arbitrary.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
As far as not wearing a bra, I’ve been married long enough to know that there is something to be said for the support they give with regard to any amount of exercise.
You had to be married to know this?
I had to have a relationship with a woman that was close enough and for long enough that she would tell me this, yes. One can not assume that because they bounce given no support that such bouncing can be uncomfortable or painful. I didn’t know this, nor did it occur to me, because I don’t have breasts.
Wow, ok.
Okay, what? Why am I an idiot for not thinking about it? It didn’t occur to me because it didn’t apply to me.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
What the fuck.
I’m starting to think you’ve never seen a woman.
???
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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?
Read Chyron’s post.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?
Read Chyron’s post.
[snip] (accidental quote instead of edit.)
I don’t get it?
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
What the fuck.
I’m starting to think you’ve never seen a woman.
???
By private parts I’m assuming you are talking about the penis and the vagina. Yes?
We were talking about the top half of the body, which unless something is really wrong with you has no penis or vagina.
Warb - Women’s bodies aren’t treated as any more obscene than men’s bodies
Frink - Top half of woman’s bodies are treated as more obscene
Warb - ???
Frink - WOMEN HAVE BREASTS THAT ARE EXPECTED TO BE COVERED UP, MEN DON’T
Warb - But penis and vagina???
Frink - [breaks keyboard]
What is the confusing part?
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
Personally, for myself, I don’t believe the standard of decency toward women needs to be changed. I don’t think women’s bodies being treated differently than men’s is, in and of itself, bad.
The “equality” argument doesn’t hold up because that assumes differences are bad, which is not necessarily true.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?
Read Chyron’s post.
[snip] (accidental quote instead of edit.)
I don’t get it?
chyron cut off the man’s penis in the example so now he’s a woman and therefore more obscene.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
Besides, discussions about diversity are important regardless if they result in any change.
You know, I’m starting to think this thread was a better idea than y’all said it was.
Because it somehow helped?
Not that I can see.
It could have helped.
By getting more diverse people to join the forum?
Nobody is telling women to go topless. All we are saying is a woman’s body shouldn’t be treated as obscene.
A woman’s body isn’t treated as anymore obscene than a man’s.
Tell that to the top half of a woman’s body.
Really?
Men can walk around without a shirt, women can’t. You’re still saying a woman’s body isn’t treated any more obscene than a man’s?
What are you even talking about?
Women have to cover their private parts, men have to cover their private parts.
But what makes a woman’s nipple more private than a man’s?
Read Chyron’s post.
His post still does not answer my question.