Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 369

CatBus said:

I think I’ve said this before but I think it bears repeating: the word racism means different things to different people. When discussing this topic, it’s pretty normal for some white people to recoil the second the word starts to touch them personally. Because racism, to them, is overt acts, conscious choices, hateful feelings, much more personal. But to others, racism is woven into the fabric of America, much more institutional. If you were born and raised here, you’ve already got some on you. The only question is: what are you going to do about it?

When Michelle Obama said she raised her daughters in a house built by slaves, that was a much more poignant way of saying she got some on her. The more important question is what is she doing about it?

This post probably much more tactfully says the same thing I just said, but in a way people seem to have appreciated at the time, if not now.

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

SilverWook said:

How does one act bigoted towards freaking Nazis?

You can’t act bigoted towards people who want all Jews dead. Of course this is if we’re talking about actual nazis.

They are true Nazis, no doubt.

I’m guessing you meant to say “there are true nazis” since I didn’t know we we’re talking about a certain group or person. But on the subject of the man carrying the nazi flag; he is a shitty excuse for a human being.

darthrush said:

CatBus said:

darthrush said:

CatBus said:

darthrush said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Meaning you’ve got biases that have been installed into you by decades of exposure to racist media, housing policies, schools, family, friends, etc. It’s a nice way of saying you’re racist, but using the broad definition that includes pretty much all Americans, and doesn’t mean you’re actively trying to perpetuate these things.

*sigh* 😐

Relevant.

For Christ’s sake.

Warbler has shown nothing that would make you think he is racist and to assume that someone is racist without any evidence is just awful. Half of this race talk is just virtue signaling from the left and does nothing to help solve issues in America.

Umm, I think the link was intended to criticize CatBus for calling Warbler racist. The video points out that we are all capable of occasionally doing a racist act, but that doesn’t necessarily mean we are a racist person.

Thanks for the clear up. Catbus, my last message was directed at you and every other self righteous asshole from the left.

I called pretty much all Americans racists in the sense that they are all tainted by growing up with racism, and should that into consideration when making decisions, and I included myself (and women, and minorities) in that. Self-righteous refers to someone who thinks they’re better than other people, not someone who thinks they’re equally culpable. Nevertheless, through this discussion, we have successfully identified a self-righteous asshole.

Never said I was better than you Mr. All Americans are Racist.

Ah, so when you said I was a self-righteous asshole, you meant we are ALL self-righteous assholes, and you are just as bad of one as me. You were being just as humble and circumspect as I was in my observations on race in America – it just wasn’t apparent at first. Thanks for the clarification yourself. I can kinda get behind that sentiment.

Either that or you’re not backpedaling fast enough, Mr. Self-Righteous.

Sorry that I think it’s self righteous to call all Americans racist and then say that “im just trying to fix the problem” by admitting your “racism” and that there are so many other people who aren’t humble enough to admit it themselves.

Ahh, so that’s it. Introspection is the exclusive domain of leftist blowhards, is it? I’ll just call it a day then.

CatBus said:

CatBus said:

I think I’ve said this before but I think it bears repeating: the word racism means different things to different people. When discussing this topic, it’s pretty normal for some white people to recoil the second the word starts to touch them personally. Because racism, to them, is overt acts, conscious choices, hateful feelings, much more personal. But to others, racism is woven into the fabric of America, much more institutional. If you were born and raised here, you’ve already got some on you. The only question is: what are you going to do about it?

When Michelle Obama said she raised her daughters in a house built by slaves, that was a much more poignant way of saying she got some on her. The more important question is what is she doing about it?

This post probably much more tactfully says the same thing I just said, but in a way people seem to have appreciated at the time, if not now.

I think we may have a big misunderstanding about what we each thought of racism and I apoglozie. I subscribe to the definition that racism is when you discriminate against someone and think they are less of a person than you in any way because of their skin color. And when I heard you say that “All of Americans should check their racism”, I associated it instantly with what I think of racism and an accusation like that can rile me up really fast and I apologize for not taking the time to understand your persceptive.

Another point for the Nazi thing, marchers were reported as chanting things like “Jews will not replace us,” and, of course:

darthrush said:

CatBus said:

CatBus said:

I think I’ve said this before but I think it bears repeating: the word racism means different things to different people. When discussing this topic, it’s pretty normal for some white people to recoil the second the word starts to touch them personally. Because racism, to them, is overt acts, conscious choices, hateful feelings, much more personal. But to others, racism is woven into the fabric of America, much more institutional. If you were born and raised here, you’ve already got some on you. The only question is: what are you going to do about it?

When Michelle Obama said she raised her daughters in a house built by slaves, that was a much more poignant way of saying she got some on her. The more important question is what is she doing about it?

This post probably much more tactfully says the same thing I just said, but in a way people seem to have appreciated at the time, if not now.

I think we may have a big misunderstanding about what we each thought of racism and I apoglozie. I subscribe to the definition that racism is when you discriminate against someone and think they are less of a person than you in any way because of their skin color. And when I heard you say that “All of Americans should check their racism”, I associated it instantly with what I think of racism and an accusation like that can rile me up really fast and I apologize for not taking the time to understand your persceptive.

Thank you, and I’ll apologize to you, Warb, and the thread for whipping out the “R” word without enough of the context that I indicated myself I think is very necessary for civil discussions. Lesson learned.

I know some people really hate Vox but this is a good explainer.

I don’t want to go full-on Frevious here but…

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

SilverWook said:

How does one act bigoted towards freaking Nazis?

You can’t act bigoted towards people who want all Jews dead. Of course this is if we’re talking about actual nazis.

They are true Nazis, no doubt.

I’m guessing you meant to say “there are true nazis” since I didn’t know we we’re talking about a certain group or person. But on the subject of the man carrying the nazi flag; he is a shitty excuse for a human being.

You don’t need a flag to be a neo-Nazi. I think it’s pretty safe to say at this point that the whole group was firmly white supremacist.

I’m sorry I totally didn’t know what Silverwook was referring to when he made that post.

If it means anything, I would definitely call these people nazis and condemn their behavior.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

SilverWook said:

How does one act bigoted towards freaking Nazis?

You can’t act bigoted towards people who want all Jews dead. Of course this is if we’re talking about actual nazis.

They are true Nazis, no doubt.

I’m guessing you meant to say “there are true nazis” since I didn’t know we we’re talking about a certain group or person. But on the subject of the man carrying the nazi flag; he is a shitty excuse for a human being.

You don’t need a flag to be a neo-Nazi. I think it’s pretty safe to say at this point that the whole group was firmly white supremacist.

accidental repost

yhwx said:

I don’t want to go full-on Frevious here but…

It’s accurate to say the same mechanic is at work. It’s full-on Frevious to say it will reach the same conclusion. That’s not to say full-on Frevious is wrong, but probably wrong.

DominicCobb said:

CatBus said:

yhwx said:

I don’t want to go full-on Frevious here but…

It’s accurate to say the same mechanic is at work. It’s full-on Frevious to say it will reach the same conclusion. That’s not to say full-on Frevious is wrong, but probably wrong.

It’s definitely the same furor, but the mentality is, thankfully, not as popular.

Agreed.

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

darthrush said:

CatBus said:

CatBus said:

I think I’ve said this before but I think it bears repeating: the word racism means different things to different people. When discussing this topic, it’s pretty normal for some white people to recoil the second the word starts to touch them personally. Because racism, to them, is overt acts, conscious choices, hateful feelings, much more personal. But to others, racism is woven into the fabric of America, much more institutional. If you were born and raised here, you’ve already got some on you. The only question is: what are you going to do about it?

When Michelle Obama said she raised her daughters in a house built by slaves, that was a much more poignant way of saying she got some on her. The more important question is what is she doing about it?

This post probably much more tactfully says the same thing I just said, but in a way people seem to have appreciated at the time, if not now.

I think we may have a big misunderstanding about what we each thought of racism and I apoglozie. I subscribe to the definition that racism is when you discriminate against someone and think they are less of a person than you in any way because of their skin color. And when I heard you say that “All of Americans should check their racism”, I associated it instantly with what I think of racism and an accusation like that can rile me up really fast and I apologize for not taking the time to understand your persceptive.

Thank you, and I’ll apologize to you, Warb, and the thread for whipping out the “R” word without enough of the context that I indicated myself I think is very necessary for civil discussions. Lesson learned.

Its alright, I wasn’t nearly as angry as others were in this thread. I was just trying to ask questions and learn.

Hey, we all learned something today: Arguing on the Internet – it worked!

I think that’s actually happened twice now. Third time is a sign of the apocalypse.

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

You mean put together a team that is half black, half white, half male, half female?

No, identity doesn’t predict bias.

It doesn’t would think it would be less likely that a black man would be biased against black people than a white man.

You’d think so. But there are plenty of cases where women can be the harshest judges of women, and so on. Throw identity politics out on the garbage heap where it belongs.

maybe but what about this:

It is wrong to think it more likely that the people in the background are biased toward black people than the cop?

Honestly depends on how many are undercover agents and informants. I always hope there’s a lot.

Warbler said:
I was just looking for the best accountant.

Exactly. And a good process can help ensure that unseen biases don’t get in the way of that goal.

BTW, the questions in my last post weren’t meant to be answered. They were rhetorical examples and the answers could be different depending on the situation. Thanks, this was a better discussion this time.