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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

You guys have unsurprisingly missed the point(s) (just like last time).’

I’m a white male, I could never possibly understand these things.

Hopefully someday you and the rest will (and you most certainly can), and the world will be a better place.

Yeah, I know, I make the world such a horrible place right now.

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

Not as much as saying that the world is held back by people like Warbler, who has most likely never in his life hindered human progress, not having the right opinions. The right opinions being your opinions of course.

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

You guys have unsurprisingly missed the point(s) (just like last time).’

I’m a white male, I could never possibly understand these things.

Hopefully someday you and the rest will (and you most certainly can), and the world will be a better place.

Yeah, I know, I make the world such a horrible place right now.

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

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Then try harder.

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It’s funny that progressives are always called the “snowflakes.”

Trying to find understanding comes from both sides. When you whine and stomp your foot and you intentionally miss my point, you’re not pulling your weight in this conversation (and that’s what it should be - not a debate).

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Handman said:

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies.

Seems like a bit of an overreaction.

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DominicCobb said:

It’s funny that progressives are always called the “snowflakes.”

Trying to find understanding comes from both sides. When you whine and stomp your foot and you intentionally miss my point, you’re not pulling your weight in this conversation (and that’s what it should be - not a debate).

If you’re responding to me, I haven’t done anything. If asking for further explanation is too much then you can hardly claim any moral high ground.

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Handman said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s funny that progressives are always called the “snowflakes.”

Trying to find understanding comes from both sides. When you whine and stomp your foot and you intentionally miss my point, you’re not pulling your weight in this conversation (and that’s what it should be - not a debate).

If you’re responding to me, I haven’t done anything. If asking for further explanation is too much then you can hardly claim any moral high ground.

Not talking to you, except just to extrapolate in what I meant.

I’m not incapable of further explanation (though I don’t have the time at the moment), but there’s no point if people are going to put their fingers in their ears.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Circumcision is a bad example. I don’t think people should do it to their kids, but it has an astronomically low probability of complications and no lasting damage.

I just don’t buy the idea that women have it so much worse than men in the United States. On certain things they do, but on others they don’t. Men are more likely to be homeless, more likely to be murdered, more likely to kill themselves, and judging by the fact that it gets almost no attention compared to the representation of women in STEM fields, those issues must be ingrained into American society just as much if not more. As Jeebus pointed out, sexual harassment happens to men too. It happens to women more, but as for yhx’s point about not seeing headlines about sexual harassment of men, I’d guess that it stems from the fact that almost nobody fucking cares when men get harassed, almost to the point of it not even being worth telling anyone about it. Anyway, the main reason I hate all of this “privilege” nonsense and immediately disregard most of the integrity of anyone who uses it as an counterargument is that it disregards the important nuances in the human condition. I’m sure a white kid with childhood schizophrenia (one of the most debilitating strands of schizophrenia) would be much better off (or dare I say, privileged) if he were a mentally healthy black kid, or a woman, or an immigrant. There are a lot of white people are way poorer than most black people, and they have no opportunities for social mobility. Instead of acknowledging that problems of poverty aren’t exclusive to a single race, even if it may disproportionately affect nonwhite races, the response is essentially that “white people”, every single one of them, are privileged and should essentially be disregarded while we sort out the “real issues” facing women and people of other races.

Exactly on point. Which is why when someone tells a white person that they are participating in a group crime/injustice (white privilge) and it’s based solely on their skin color, it inherently is racist.

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Goddamn there sure are a lot of oppressed white males in this thread.

If the worst thing that has happened to you is someone thinks you’re racist because you’re white, you’re living a pretty good life.

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TV’s Frink said:

Goddamn there sure are a lot of oppressed white males in this thread.

If the worst thing that has happened to you is someone thinks you’re racist because you’re white, you’re living a pretty good life.

Didn’t ever say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to me or even that it happens specifically to myself. I see it happen elsewhere and all I’m doing is justifying why I think the idea of white privilege is racist.

I am happy to discuss with you on that actual point and am perfectly fine if you disagree but resorting to pointless responses like “Oh you just complain too much” is intellectually shallow and doesn’t get us anywhere.

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TV’s Frink said:

And in the category of stuff I actually care about (as opposed to white dudes complaining about being called racist), this tweet is insane even by Trump standards.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/884016887692234753?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

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I can’t believe him sometimes. The difficulty of telling between his real tweets and those of a fake look alike account rises everyday.

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darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

Goddamn there sure are a lot of oppressed white males in this thread.

If the worst thing that has happened to you is someone thinks you’re racist because you’re white, you’re living a pretty good life.

Didn’t ever say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to me or even that it happens specifically to myself. I see it happen elsewhere and all I’m doing is justifying why I think the idea of white privilege is racist.

I am happy to discuss with you on that actual point and am perfectly fine if you disagree but resorting to pointless responses like “Oh you just complain too much” is intellectually shallow and doesn’t get us anywhere.

It’s intellectually shallow to complain so much about “racism against whites” when minorities and women are experiencing pain orders of magnitude more worse than some random person on the Internet saying that white people are privileged.

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yhwx said:

darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

Goddamn there sure are a lot of oppressed white males in this thread.

If the worst thing that has happened to you is someone thinks you’re racist because you’re white, you’re living a pretty good life.

Didn’t ever say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to me or even that it happens specifically to myself. I see it happen elsewhere and all I’m doing is justifying why I think the idea of white privilege is racist.

I am happy to discuss with you on that actual point and am perfectly fine if you disagree but resorting to pointless responses like “Oh you just complain too much” is intellectually shallow and doesn’t get us anywhere.

It’s intellectually shallow to complain so much about “racism against whites” when minorities and women are experiencing pain orders of magnitude more worse than some random person on the Internet saying that white people are privileged.

Again, If I haven’t made it clear, I myself am not complaining about myself, I am arguing that the popular concept of white privilege is racist. Quit it with the character attacks and actually address my claim which has nothing to do with my own life experiences.

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darthrush said:

yhwx said:

darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

Goddamn there sure are a lot of oppressed white males in this thread.

If the worst thing that has happened to you is someone thinks you’re racist because you’re white, you’re living a pretty good life.

Didn’t ever say it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to me or even that it happens specifically to myself. I see it happen elsewhere and all I’m doing is justifying why I think the idea of white privilege is racist.

I am happy to discuss with you on that actual point and am perfectly fine if you disagree but resorting to pointless responses like “Oh you just complain too much” is intellectually shallow and doesn’t get us anywhere.

It’s intellectually shallow to complain so much about “racism against whites” when minorities and women are experiencing pain orders of magnitude more worse than some random person on the Internet saying that white people are privileged.

Again, If I haven’t made it clear, I myself am not complaining about myself, I am arguing that the popular concept of white privilege is racist. Quit it with the character attacks and actually address my claim which has nothing to do with my own life experiences.

I simply do not understand how saying that white people have advantages than other people is racist. It’s undeniably true.

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DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

You guys have unsurprisingly missed the point(s) (just like last time).’

I’m a white male, I could never possibly understand these things.

Hopefully someday you and the rest will (and you most certainly can), and the world will be a better place.

Yeah, I know, I make the world such a horrible place right now.

This is the kind of shit that makes it impossible to reach a point of understanding.

No the kind sh** that makes it impossible to reach a point of understand are articles like the ones posted yesterday.

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TV’s Frink said:

Goddamn there sure are a lot of oppressed white males in this thread.

If the worst thing that has happened to you is someone thinks you’re racist because you’re white, you’re living a pretty good life.

I never claimed to be oppressed, just annoyed and sick and tired of crap like those articles.

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TV’s Frink said:

And in the category of stuff I actually care about (as opposed to white dudes complaining about being called racist), this tweet is insane even by Trump standards.

btw, I just wanted to inform you that I consider you behavior and attitude a micro-aggression. 😉

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TV’s Frink said:

And in the category of stuff I actually care about (as opposed to white dudes complaining about being called racist), this tweet is insane even by Trump standards.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/884016887692234753?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded…

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yhwx said:

when minorities and women are experiencing pain orders of magnitude more worse than some random person on the Internet saying that white people are privileged.

Whatever pain women and minorities are experiencing is not my fault. I am not the one doing it. I am not and have never been anyone’s boss, so I have never had the opportunity to discriminate against anyone, and if I ever get the opportunity I will try as best as I can to treat everyone fairly. I’ve never raped or molested any women and never would. I always try as best as I can to treat women and minorities with respect. I don’t use racial slurs. I am more than willing to vote for women and minorities at election time. If any pain is coming from me, I don’t do it consciously and it is very, very, minor. Blame it on the men and white people who are really causing the pain. Just became I am a white male, does not mean that I am the problem.

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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

when minorities and women are experiencing pain orders of magnitude more worse than some random person on the Internet saying that white people are privileged.

Whatever pain women and minorities are experiencing is not my fault. I am not the one doing it. I am not and have never been anyone’s boss, so I have never had the opportunity to discriminate against anyone, and if I ever get the opportunity I will try as best as I can to treat everyone fairly. I’ve never raped or molested any women and never would. I always try as best as I can to treat women and minorities with respect. I don’t use racial slurs. I am more than willing to vote for women and minorities at election time. If any pain is coming from me, I don’t do it consciously and it is very, very, minor. Blame it on the men and white people who are really causing the pain. Just became I am a white male, does not mean that I am the problem.

Exactly. Which is why when someone says that the entire white race is guilty of this injustice, it is racist. And the only response to this so far has been personal attacks about what we should be complaining about instead of addressing the actual argument.

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Who is saying you guys are being racist or that racism is your fault? No one here ever said that.

I just don’t understand white men complaining about this kind of stuff. Even if I was accusing you of white or male privilege, it’s nothing compared to actual problems people have to deal with.

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Warbler said:

Whatever pain women and minorities are experiencing is not my fault. I am not the one doing it. I am not and have never been anyone’s boss, so I have never had the opportunity to discriminate against anyone, and if I ever get the opportunity I will try as best as I can to treat everyone fairly. I’ve never raped or molested any women and never would. I always try as best as I can to treat women and minorities with respect. I don’t use racial slurs. I am more than willing to vote for women and minorities at election time. If any pain is coming from me, I don’t do it consciously and it is very, very, minor. Blame it on the men and white people who are really causing the pain. Just became I am a white male, does not mean that I am the problem.

I don’t think that’s the claim. The claim is that you (and I) have probably been the beneficiary of white privilege. Which then opens the door to the possibility that maybe we should be working to help correct it, even if we aren’t the cause.

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TV’s Frink said:

Who is saying you guys are being racist or that racism is your fault? No one here ever said that.

I just don’t understand white men complaining about this kind of stuff. Even if I was accusing you of white or male privilege, it’s nothing compared to actual problems people have to deal with.

I did not say that any of you did or that anyone has to me but that is the very idea behind white privilege. So for the last time, I am not complaining about anyone calling me a racist, what I’m doing is analyzing the concept of white privilege and making the claim that it is a racist concept.

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And just to add, everybody has committed an act of racism or sexism before, so nobody’s record is totally clean. People need to admit that they can do racist or sexist things, while still not being a racist or a sexist! That’ll help us move forward in the conversation.