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What is wrong with... Attack of the Clones? - a general discussion thread — Page 24

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Scott, I think you’re right on! When I first saw Attack of the Clones as a kid, I really picked up on the espionage vibe… too bad it didn’t pay off, but that’s a small, easily fixable flaw.

I think people are missing the big picture about the anti-love law for the Jedi. I think it can be used to work towards Anakin’s rejection of the Jedi way. Anakin (like us) was expecting the Jedi to be like Buddhist monks, but instead we find out they’re a strict cult with abnormal laws and brainwash little kids into becoming “peaceful” soldiers. That’s messed up. That’s also good. Anakin doesn’t like it, and neither do we. His marriage is his first act of rebellion, and the audience is totally behind that. This is one way we can relate to his fall to the dark side. Eventually though, there will be a point where we will realize it was a mistake.

The prophecy is that he will bring balance to the Force. Balance means BOTH sides are to be in check, and if one side is outta wack then so is the other. Look at the start of the prequels; the Sith are extinct. Who’s the oppressed faction here? The Jedi committed genocide against the Sith. Sure the Sith were evil, but that’s what the Jedi tell us. But from what we/Anakin hear from Palpatine, it sounds like they were just force-users who used their powers for themselves. Does that really make them evil?? Even Superman used his powers for personal gain at times.

The Jedi are at a point where they take orders for the Senate. They’re not guardians of peace anymore; they’re space cops, answering only to the corrupt Republic. The republic’s corrupt, therefore so are the Jedi. It’s that simple. That’s why Anakin was too old. He could see through this. The other younglings are raised into this system and cannot see beyond what’s imposed upon them. The Jedi search for all the force-sensitive younglings to teach them the ONE WAY to use the force. They’re trying to control how the force is used. There can be no good without evil. For the Jedi council; you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain, and they’ve done that.

The whole “you can’t love” and “you can’t see your mother” aspects are perfect seeds of distrust against the Jedi for Anakin! George was on to something, he just didn’t make it plain enough for us to see. He adds too much to distract us.

I guess you could call me a hipster; I think the prequels are better than the originals, and I think the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles.

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Jedi are allowed to love, they just can’t get into a committed relationship. More like “leave your mother in slavery on a hostile backwater planet, so you’ll worry about her too much”. I’d be pissed at the Jedi too.

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Where were you in '77?

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There’s less wrong with Manos than there is with AOTC, I call tell you.

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And the original theatrical is on Blu Ray to boot.

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SilverWook said:

And the original theatrical is on Blu Ray to boot.

Remastered from the original elements. Something that has yet to happen to Star Wars. What a messed up world.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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Director Hal Warren’s son is actually trying to copyright the Manos name now, which would complicate things for the surviving cast, (who never got paid to begin with) not to mention the sequel and other derivative works. Manos has been adapted into everything from a stage play to a puppet show in the past decade. It might even force the Blu Ray off the market.

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leetwall31 said:

The Jedi committed genocide against the Sith.

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And i thought the Prequels were made for children…

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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The “Jedi committed genocide against the Sith” is more of an EU thing than a PT thing, but whatever.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

The “Jedi committed genocide against the Sith” is more of an EU thing than a PT thing, but whatever.

Okay. I don’t know anything about the EU, so is it safe to assume that this ‘genocide’ stuff was added during or after the Prequel era?

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
The hallmark of a corrupt leader: Being surrounded by yes men.
‘The best visual effects in the world will not compensate for a story told badly.’ - V.E.S.
‘Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest.’ - SilverWook

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IIRC, the Sith extinction that led to Darth Bane and the Rule of Two and blah blah blah was mostly caused by in-fighting. The genocide stuff mostly applied to earlier* Sith extinctions.

*Yes, earlier extinctions. The EU had the Sith go through a hundred extinctions before the PT era and as many afterward; it was stupid that way.

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AOTC probably has the worst dialogue and acting in the entire saga.

The plot of the movie doesn’t actually make any sense if you sit down and think about it. Just one small example - Padme thinks Dooku was behind the attempt to kill her for some reason. WHY in the world would Padme think that considering she is opposed to creating an army to fight the separatists? I could list out dozens of other similar examples.

The love story isn’t nuanced, it’s ridiculous and creepy. Seriously, there have been unconventional romances in film that were well executed, but this was not one of them. The entire thing was very, very childishly written… like something from the mind of an immature teenager.

AOTC contains the droid factory scene - possibly the worst sequence in any Star Wars film ever.

The only part of AOTC that I enjoy at all is the Obi-Wan investigation plot and battle/chase of Jango

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The factory scene is much longer, has a flying R2D2, and C3PO making shitty joke after shitty joke. No way is it better than any Grievous scene.

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TV’s Frink said:

The factory scene is much longer, has a flying R2D2, and C3PO making shitty joke after shitty joke. No way is it better than any Grievous scene.

Yeah - at least Grevious looks kind of cool. The factory scene is literally a like a level from Super Mario Brothers or MegaMan inserted into a movie.

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Grievous is just a villain, and Obi-wan fights him. It’s stupid but there it is, it exists for that reason. C3PO and the factory is ??? who even knows.

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The factory scene is worse than the Ewoks. It might even be worse than the romance scenes.

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Mocata said:

Grievous is just a villain, and Obi-wan fights him. It’s stupid but there it is, it exists for that reason. C3PO and the factory is ??? who even knows.

It wasn’t in the script. The Indulgent One came up with the scene on set and just thought it would be cool to put in the movie.

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Disco_Lobot said:

It might even be worse than the romance scenes.

Man, tough call.

I wish I could just wish away having to compare those two things.

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You know I actually saw some idiot fangirl try to argue that people should be nicer to the Prequels because Lucas wrote them first and thats why they aren’t as good as the OT.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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While AOTC certainly is a bad movie overall I kind of liked some of its settings/locations:

  • The library was kind of “oll korrekt“ and those scenes featured some nice kind of James Bond espionage vibe.

  • I liked Jango Fett fighting Obi Wan on the offshore platform. One of the few scenes where the CGI really holds up even now. The wind and the rain add some realism to those scenes.

  • And Obi Wan’s space chase for Fett was quite ok.

All the stuff on Geonosis was hilarious on the other hand. And Coruscant was hit or miss.

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Amano said:

  • And Obi Wan’s space chase for Fett was quite ok.

Jango blasting away at Obi-Wan from two feet behind him for 15 minutes before finally just singeing his wing once was one of the dumbest things in the movie.