> Implying they don’t already look like cartoons with people in them.
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What exactly does it mean for the negative to be disassembled?
The negative has been conformed to the SE since 1997. George decided to cut the changes directly into the negative because, as far as he was concerned, the SE was the official version of the movie now.
We recently got confirmation from the relevant person at Fox that the pieces of the negative replaced for the SE were indeed put into storage and not discarded.
I think I remember reading on zombie’s website that the negative need not be disassembled to reconstruct the unaltered version. Because a modern restoration would be done digitally anyway, they would simply need to take a scan of the o-neg as it is now, scan in the pieces that got replaced, and rebuild everything in the digital realm.
For further context, the negative is the first-generation source for the footage used in the final cut. They are also without any color timing as that comes later in the process, and unlike a 35mm print, which is a few generations down from the negative, there is only one layer of grain to deal with (this is not the case with SW as there is optical compositing).*
*if I’ve made any mistakes, please correct me.
Would any IPs or separation masters still be usable and around?
Nothing I’m reading here suggests ANY hope for a remastered OOT.
“What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one.”
Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
The extensive LotR appendices, completed in 2004 with the Extended Edition of Return of the King, were also done in SD. At least they and EoD were 16:9. The Alien Quadrilogy making-ofs from right around that same time (2003/2004) were 4:3 and had to be both cropped and upscaled when they were carried over to the blu-ray in 2010.
Dangerous Days was made in 2007 but only released on a regular dvd across all of the various SKUs of Blade Runner released that year (even for the bd and hddvd). It’s 16:9 and looks like it could have been done at a higher resolution and then downscaled. I’m not sure if this was ever definitively answered, but it’s been ten years and the documentary was never released in hd.
Why crop them? Why? Don’t fuck with the aspect ratio, for God’s sake!
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Neil Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death
When the 4k UHD release inevitably happens, the prequels will be released same day as the OT and probably packaged with it just like the “saga” was back in 2011.
You can count on it.
Being stuck in 2k hasn’t stopped all these other movies from getting released in 4k. There’s even been at least one movie that was shot in 1080p like AotC/RotS released on 4k (Resident Evil: Afterlife).
What exactly does it mean for the negative to be disassembled?
The negative has been conformed to the SE since 1997. George decided to cut the changes directly into the negative because, as far as he was concerned, the SE was the official version of the movie now.
We recently got confirmation from the relevant person at Fox that the pieces of the negative replaced for the SE were indeed put into storage and not discarded.
I think I remember reading on zombie’s website that the negative need not be disassembled to reconstruct the unaltered version. Because a modern restoration would be done digitally anyway, they would simply need to take a scan of the o-neg as it is now, scan in the pieces that got replaced, and rebuild everything in the digital realm.
For further context, the negative is the first-generation source for the footage used in the final cut. They are also without any color timing as that comes later in the process, and unlike a 35mm print, which is a few generations down from the negative, there is only one layer of grain to deal with (this is not the case with SW as there is optical compositing).*
*if I’ve made any mistakes, please correct me.
Would any IPs or separation masters still be usable and around?
Nothing I’m reading here suggests ANY hope for a remastered OOT.
The separation masters are still intact, as are other film elements closer to the o-neg than the theatrical prints.
Robert A. Harris emphasized several years ago that “these assets are well-protected.” If a user on the blu-ray.com forums is to be believed, Disney has been meticulously going through every last piece of Star Wars film material and scanning them in. It’s simply a matter of time … and of timing.
It’s simply a matter of time … and of timing.
I just can’t wait for the big 75th Anniversary surprise announcement in 2052!!!
When the 4k UHD release inevitably happens, the prequels will be released same day as the OT and probably packaged with it just like the “saga” was back in 2011.
You can count on it.
Being stuck in 2k hasn’t stopped all these other movies from getting released in 4k. There’s even been at least one movie that was shot in 1080p like AotC/RotS released on 4k (Resident Evil: Afterlife).
They could upscale the live action and re render the cgi and it would probably look pretty good since they’re mostly cgi anyway.
The extensive LotR appendices, completed in 2004 with the Extended Edition of Return of the King, were also done in SD. At least they and EoD were 16:9. The Alien Quadrilogy making-ofs from right around that same time (2003/2004) were 4:3 and had to be both cropped and upscaled when they were carried over to the blu-ray in 2010.
Dangerous Days was made in 2007 but only released on a regular dvd across all of the various SKUs of Blade Runner released that year (even for the bd and hddvd). It’s 16:9 and looks like it could have been done at a higher resolution and then downscaled. I’m not sure if this was ever definitively answered, but it’s been ten years and the documentary was never released in hd.
Why crop them? Why? Don’t fuck with the aspect ratio, for God’s sake!
If you’re referring to the Quadrilogy making-ofs, they cropped it from 4:3 to 16:9 for the Anthology blu-ray because the recorded 4:3 interviews, whether film or video based, left enough extra room either above or below people’s heads to sustain that much cropping.
“Yes, but why even crop it at all?” you might ask. Well, since people buying the blu-ray are more than likely going to watch it on their 16:9 hdtv, watching the shots where they show 2.35:1 film footage with black bars on all four sides would be a little underwhelming. Especially when they’re watching the movies themselves not only “enhanced for 16:9 tv” as they say on dvd packaging, but in full 1080p hd.
I don’t see the point in re-relasing the prequels in 4K. Their special effects are so dated
Like always, this is highly exagerated. And nowadays CGI are already dated (the CGI Tantive IV at the end of R1 doesn’t match at all the 1977 model for example).
And nowadays CGI are already dated (the CGI Tantive IV at the end of R1 doesn’t match at all the 1977 model for example).
If true, that’s not because the CGI is dated.
It looks CGI and in a bad way. Such as the Falcon for the Jakku sequence. Not dated but unfinished then.
As I saw TFA in 70mm IMAX, (twice) it looked pretty damn good to me.
Where were you in '77?
As I saw TFA in 70mm IMAX, (twice) it looked pretty damn good to me.
I was going to say the same thing.
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Well to me it’s the cheapest looking SW of the entire series (R1 included) with some questionable CGI (Falcon on Jakku, some shots of the troopers geeting killed near Maz castle that are more or less the same quality of PT clone troopers) and empty production value (the resistance base, very lazy set…), so I don’t think the size of the print would change anything 😃
But maybe I’m harsh with modern CGI and I tend to be more tolerant for older movies.
Well to me it’s the cheapest looking SW of the entire series
Actual movie still.
Well to me it’s the cheapest looking SW of the entire series (R1 included) with some questionable CGI (Falcon on Jakku, some shots of the troopers geeting killed near Maz castle that are more or less the same quality of PT clone troopers) and empty production value (the resistance base, very lazy set…), so I don’t think the size of the print would change anything 😃
But maybe I’m harsh with modern CGI and I tend to be more tolerant for older movies.
Except that the troopers being killed at Maz’s castle were real stunt people in costume, not CGi.
Well, if you can’t even tell it’s not CG, it must be pretty good CG.
Wait…
The surprise they are going to announce at Celebration could be a lot of things.
A new blu ray release of the movies with special packaging and new special features
4K blu rays of all the existing Star Wars movies
3D versions of all the Star Wars movies released in theaters
Original Unaltered Trilogy
I just have a feeling they are going to make an announcement and it’s going to be a letdown for me. I want the Original Unaltered Trilogy, not more of the special editions.
The surprise they are going to announce at Celebration could be a lot of things.
A new blu ray release of the movies with special packaging and new special features
4K blu rays of all the existing Star Wars movies
3D versions of all the Star Wars movies released in theaters
Original Unaltered TrilogyI just have a feeling they are going to make an announcement and it’s going to be a letdown for me. I want the Original Unaltered Trilogy, not more of the special editions.
I have a feeling it’s likely to be a 3D saga theatrical run or 3D saga Blu-Ray set.
Well to me it’s the cheapest looking SW of the entire series
Actual movie still.
I thought that was a Clone Wars still for a second there. 😉
So Pixar could do convincing fur in the early 2000’s, and ILM couldn’t?
Where were you in '77?
Well to me it’s the cheapest looking SW of the entire series
Actual movie still.
No. Really? No.
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Noooooooooooooooooooooo.
But yes. There’s a reason most of us think much of the PT looked like a bunch of videogame cut scenes.
Yes. Really! Yes. The CGI Wookiees stick out like a sore thumb.
You’d think they would shoot the practical Wookiees from as many angles as possible, swap around their gear to make them look different each time, and build up a crowd shot that way.
Where were you in '77?
Well to me it’s the cheapest looking SW of the entire series
Actual movie still.No. Really? No.
Yes. Really.
It’s the first shot of Kashyyyyyk during the Order 66 sequence.
You should have used my blurcle shot. 😉