Prowse has been lied to and screwed over by Lucas from day one, so I’m not surprised he was “acting as jerk”. I certainly trust him more than Lucas when it comes to the history of these movies, considering Lucas’ entire version of events has been contradicted by other figures in one way or another over the years. It seems more likely to me that Prowse was banned from LFL events for not sticking to the ‘official story’.
Nobody is claiming Lucas to be a saint.
But Prowse was in hot water the moment he leaked the ESB twist well before the film ever came out. He was also never hired to voice or physically (as in, out of the suit) play Darth Vader, Lucas just said he might be able to; not to mention he was barely in ROTJ and fired before the mask scene was even filmed. This stuff happens all the time, and that’s hardly being "lied to."
Prowse is not some poor innocent victim nasty old Lucasfilm bullied for fun.
Yet he never leaked the ESB twist. This has been proven since. That article came out before ESB had even started filming. The reporter on that article never even got to speak to Prowse at this even where he is supposed to have said this. His source was someone very close to Lucas but he had to use a name for the quote and he used Prowse’s. It was impossible for Dave to have even known that twist, especially when they hadn’t even been given the script at this point and even if he had a copy, it had " obi-wan killed your father" as the twist.
But that isn’t even the article that turned george against Prowse. It was an article in a UK newspaper during the time ROTJ was in production which gave away the fact that Darth Vader was going to die at the end of ROTJ. That again used Dave’s name as the source and George went batshit crazy at him and that’s when it all started. He even refused to invite him to the UK premier because of it. But go watch the doc “I am your Father”. The original reporter is interviewed and he tells how they were getting leaks and that they had to have a name to back up the story so, yet again, used Dave’s name. He NEVER leaked anything to the press.
Even though this is widely-known information, for reliable source you can refer to Making of ESB by Rinzle
Those books aren’t as “reliable” as you may think. People who worked on those movies have stated that they are basically the “Revised history according to George Lucas”.
Even though this is widely-known information, for reliable source you can refer to Making of ESB by Rinzle
Those books aren’t as “reliable” as you may think. People who worked on those movies have stated that they are basically the “Revised history according to George Lucas”.
Who are those people and what are the prime examples of revision? The book pretty much focus only on reliable sources, such as: actual material (scripts, concept art, footage, etc.), interviews with involved (lots of those are from the time films were made/released) and transcripts of various meetings.
真実
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
At least we would have a franchise that hasn’t been on a losing streak for 35 straight years.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
At least we would have a franchise that hasn’t been on a losing streak for 35 straight years.
We do.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
The ending would have been the same. In ESB, Kurtz was not even involved in story creation to begin with. As Kasdan stated about the draft Lucas written “The structure of the story was all there”. If Lucas wanted it to end that way, Kurtz could do absolutely nothing about it.
真実
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
At least we would have a franchise that hasn’t been on a losing streak for 35 straight years.
As of 2015 we have had two wins that I can count. There are a few more if you count the novels. Though of course there will always be those who say otherwise which is fine. Hopefully something…anything in K-Canon tickles your fancy one day.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
The ending would have been the same. In ESB, Kurtz was not even involved in story creation to begin with. As Kasdan stated about the draft Lucas written “The structure of the story was all there”. If Lucas wanted it to end that way, Kurtz could do absolutely nothing about it.
From what I heard Kurtz’s ending was bittersweet with Luke going into exile and Han dying. Though the latter could have reportedly happened earlier in the film.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
At least we would have a franchise that hasn’t been on a losing streak for 35 straight years.
As of 2015 we have had two wins that I can count.
And one win that frevious could count, until he read a review that convinced him he actually didn’t like TFA after all.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
At least we would have a franchise that hasn’t been on a losing streak for 35 straight years.
As of 2015 we have had two wins that I can count.
And one win that frevious could count, until he read a review that convinced him he actually didn’t like TFA after all.
So did he completely 180 or did the review reinforce his previously held points?
A 180 IIRC.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
The ending would have been the same. In ESB, Kurtz was not even involved in story creation to begin with. As Kasdan stated about the draft Lucas written “The structure of the story was all there”. If Lucas wanted it to end that way, Kurtz could do absolutely nothing about it.
From what I heard Kurtz’s ending was bittersweet with Luke going into exile and Han dying. Though the latter could have reportedly happened earlier in the film.
It is completely irrelevant since he had no control over the story.
真実
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
At least we would have a franchise that hasn’t been on a losing streak for 35 straight years.
As of 2015 we have had two wins that I can count.
And one win that frevious could count, until he read a review that convinced him he actually didn’t like TFA after all.
So did he completely 180 or did the review reinforce his previously held points?
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1021308
Personally I love the OT(unaltered), really like TFA, thought R1 was okay, don’t particularly like TPM but have a sort-of nostalgia for the era when it was released, and love to hate the rest of the PT.
Five hours later!
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1021424
http://www.agonybooth.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-2015-a-failed-review-51100
Makes me reconsider my opinions on TFA. JJ Abrams is the one director who might be destroying the art of cinema more than anyone else, even more than Michael Bay or Zack Snyder. I haven’t seen TFA in over a year, and only once, and now I’m uncertain if it would even hold up a second time.
That’s pretty weak imo
But such actions are merely the nature of certain men. Some men just like to ride waves and abandon interests, people and ideologies when they encounter a new way of thinking/doing things. Regardless if the arguments are sound or not.
I have actually tested this on my last girlfriend who I coerced to changing many of her philosophies just by saying an interesting combinations of words. The teachings themselves were hallow and were filled with nothing but half truths, perversions of nature/humanity and contradictions. I can see how Cult leaders entice certain folk into joining them.
Your last girlfriend was a man?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
At least we would have a franchise that hasn’t been on a losing streak for 35 straight years.
As of 2015 we have had two wins that I can count.
And one win that frevious could count, until he read a review that convinced him he actually didn’t like TFA after all.
So did he completely 180 or did the review reinforce his previously held points?
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1021308
Personally I love the OT(unaltered), really like TFA, thought R1 was okay, don’t particularly like TPM but have a sort-of nostalgia for the era when it was released, and love to hate the rest of the PT.
Five hours later!
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1021424
http://www.agonybooth.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-2015-a-failed-review-51100
Makes me reconsider my opinions on TFA. JJ Abrams is the one director who might be destroying the art of cinema more than anyone else, even more than Michael Bay or Zack Snyder. I haven’t seen TFA in over a year, and only once, and now I’m uncertain if it would even hold up a second time.
Well his first issue was only watching the film once. You always have to watch a film twice to be able to render full judgement on it. But thats just me.
Well sure but he didn’t change his mind because he watched it again.
Your last girlfriend was a man?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Tasha was a lot of things but a man she is not.
Embarrassingly enough I haven’t kissed a guy much less had sex with one. But my lack of Batcave exploring isn’t the conversation at hand.
EDIT:
Well sure but he didn’t change his mind because he watched it again.
If he had maybe any type of opinion wouldn’t have swayed him so easily. Negative, positive or something in his the middle his opinion probably would have changed no matter what the reviewer thought of the film.
Your last girlfriend was a man?
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Tasha was a lot of things but a man she is not.
Embarrassingly enough I haven’t kissed a guy much less had sex with one. But my lack of Batcave exploring isn’t the conversation at hand.
Read your post again and you’ll see why I asked that.
…but “Some men” sounds cooler than “Some people”
Sounding cool supersedes making sense. Every time.
Getting enough tall people to play Wookiees really could not have been that big of a hurdle. I’m sure some basketball players could have filled the bill. And Peter Mayhew could have taught them all how to act like a proper Wookiee. 😃
In any case, casting a large number of little people wasn’t all that simple either. There was a maximum height for an Ewok. In the Classic Creatures doc it’s mentioned some were told for the first time in their lives they were too tall for the part!
In the Star Wars To Jedi doc, Lucas explains that when he wanted to revisit his idea of primitives defeating a technologically superior foe, Chewbacca had already been well established as a sophisticated creature, which led him to “short Wookiees”.
He also said in the end, “Dare to be cute.” 😉
Where were you in '77?
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
Jim Henson was probably more than happy to hire Kurtz for The Dark Crystal. 😃
Where were you in '77?
With George out of the picture, Lucasfilm really needs to mend fences with Dave Prowse while he’s still around. Forget the past, and start fresh. At least allow him to attend Celebration again. It’s a disservice to the fans that he isn’t there.
Where were you in '77?
Kurtz was fired because of Lucas’s ego, and the budget issues on ESB were just an excuse. Lucas could not stand someone else making a better SW movie than him, one that put story first and merchandising second. If Kurtz worked on Jedi it would have blown Empire out of the water.
The ending would have been way better but as it pertains to the totality of ROTJ it is uncertain. Surely things like Luke skipping the end of his training and the Ewoks being so focal wouldn’t have been written into the script but Kurtz’s version of ROTJ would need to do more than fixing the mistakes of the original ROTJ to be legitimately better.
The ending would have been the same. In ESB, Kurtz was not even involved in story creation to begin with. As Kasdan stated about the draft Lucas written “The structure of the story was all there”. If Lucas wanted it to end that way, Kurtz could do absolutely nothing about it.
From what I heard Kurtz’s ending was bittersweet with Luke going into exile and Han dying. Though the latter could have reportedly happened earlier in the film.
It is completely irrelevant since he had no control over the story.
Well clearly because it didn’t go his way, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have input.