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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 44

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TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I can respect people for being subjective but there’s always a fine line between stating whats true and what they think is true. Thats why in just about everything I post I put IMO. It may seem cliche but at least it shows my attempt of separating opinion from fact. Another problem is people associate opinions with facts because some share the same views. If 9 out of 10 of us agreed red was the best color, thats still not exactly a proven fact. Its just a majority agreeing on one opinion.

Exactly, Frinks gotta understand this.

There’s no need for me to understand love for ROTS.

That’s simply being blind to any other opinions. Exactly my point. No matter how much I hate a movie it’s always fun and interesting to discuss why others might enjoy it. That’s the true purpose of many of the threads on this forum.

So bullying new members who happen to like the PT is inclusive and rude behavior on your part. It’s saddening that some of us create such a hostile environment.

EDIT: and imperial scum happens to be the Offical even more ignorant bully of TFA fans.

At least Haseo hears out people’s points and discusses them.

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darthrush said:

EDIT: and imperial scum happens to be the Offical even more ignorant bully of TFA fans.

Point me to some clear evidence of this. I have never bullied anyone for liking TFA. I simply express my opinion of TFA.

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darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

darthrush said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I can respect people for being subjective but there’s always a fine line between stating whats true and what they think is true. Thats why in just about everything I post I put IMO. It may seem cliche but at least it shows my attempt of separating opinion from fact. Another problem is people associate opinions with facts because some share the same views. If 9 out of 10 of us agreed red was the best color, thats still not exactly a proven fact. Its just a majority agreeing on one opinion.

Exactly, Frinks gotta understand this.

There’s no need for me to understand love for ROTS.

That’s simply being blind to any other opinions. Exactly my point. No matter how much I hate a movie it’s always fun and interesting to discuss why others might enjoy it. That’s the true purpose of many of the threads on this forum.

So bullying new members who happen to like the PT is inclusive and rude behavior on your part. It’s saddening that some of us create such a hostile environment.

Bullying? Lol, what the hell are you talking about? I never said he was wrong to like a bad movie. I just said I don’t understand it.

JEDIT: You meant “exclusive” not “inclusive.” But you’re still wrong.

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imperialscum said:

darthrush said:

EDIT: and imperial scum happens to be the Offical even more ignorant bully of TFA fans.

Point me to some clear evidence of this. I have never bullied anyone for liking TFA. I simply express my opinion of TFA.

I actually agree. He may be condescending when expressing his feelings about it but that doesn’t count as bullying.

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Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

darthrush said:

EDIT: and imperial scum happens to be the Offical even more ignorant bully of TFA fans.

Point me to some clear evidence of this. I have never bullied anyone for liking TFA. I simply express my opinion of TFA.

I actually agree. He may be condescending when expressing his feelings about it but that doesn’t count as bullying.

It still establishes a hostile environment.

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Lord of the Rings: The Darth Rush Definitives

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darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

darthrush said:

EDIT: and imperial scum happens to be the Offical even more ignorant bully of TFA fans.

Point me to some clear evidence of this. I have never bullied anyone for liking TFA. I simply express my opinion of TFA.

I actually agree. He may be condescending when expressing his feelings about it but that doesn’t count as bullying.

It still establishes a hostile environment.

Can’t deny that but it matters not. Doing his taxes is more important than having people actually want to debate with him.

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Lord Haseo said:

darthrush said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

darthrush said:

EDIT: and imperial scum happens to be the Offical even more ignorant bully of TFA fans.

Point me to some clear evidence of this. I have never bullied anyone for liking TFA. I simply express my opinion of TFA.

I actually agree. He may be condescending when expressing his feelings about it but that doesn’t count as bullying.

It still establishes a hostile environment.

Can’t deny that but it matters not. Doing his taxes is more important than having people actually want to debate with him.

LOL

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Lord of the Rings: The Darth Rush Definitives

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  1. The Empire Strikes Back
    Everything is bigger and better. Plot and script are great. May be considered one of the best films of all time.
  2. Return of the Jedi
    The needed sequel to The Empire Strikes Back. You can’t have one without the other. I can tolerate some of the lower points of the film. Overall, a great end to the trilogy.
  3. The Force Awakens
    A modern film in all the good ways. I like the diverse cast, the script, and the plot. Rey is great. Edges out Star Wars for me.
  4. Star Wars
    A solid film. Not as good as the other ones, but still great. It is very important in that it introduces all the characters.
  5. The Phantom Menace
    A terrible, terrible film. Edges out the two other prequels because it’s at lease semi-entertaining in its badness. Also contains some questionably racist characters.
  6. Attack of the Clones
    Absolutely horrendous. Bad for the same reasons all the prequels are bad: A terrible script. The “romance” story is spectacularly bad.
  7. Revenge of the Sith
    Taken on its own, Revenge of the Sith may be the best of the prequels. However, it finds its place at the bottom of the list because it failed at what it was supposed to do: Tell the story of how the good man who was Anakin Skywalker turn to Darth Vader. The first two also failed at this, and the last one failing is just sad. If I removed this factor, I might have put Attack of the Clones here.

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Good points about ROTS. It’s easily the most disappointing for me, for the reasons you listed.

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yhwx said:

  1. Revenge of the Sith

“Number 1: What were you expecting, asshole?”
-Mr. Plinkett

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darthrush said:

So bullying new members who happen to like the PT is inclusive and rude behavior on your part. It’s saddening that some of us create such a hostile environment.

Just for the record I’ve been on this site since 2012. I’m pretty much used to Frink’s uh well you know.

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  1. The Clone Wars
  2. The Holiday Special
  3. Attack of the Clones
  4. Revenge of the Sith
  5. The Phantom Menace
  6. Return of the Jedi
  7. The Force Awakens
  8. A New Hope
  9. The Empire Strikes Back
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I don’t think you understand how lists work.

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If you’re scrolling from the bottom it makes sense.

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If you’re scrolling from the bottom, you don’t understand how lists work.

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Yes, this thread is about our personal ranking of the films so it is very much each person’s opinion.

As to whether or not a movie is well made, well, that depends on your criteria. There is the ability to write a cohesive story, then the ability to write scenes, then there is the casting, directing, cinematography, special effects, acting, editing, sound editing, music, art direction, and more. That is kind of the point of the award shows. They pick a winner in most of these categories (they run the writing ones together which makes sense for their purposes) and then the best of the year.

Back in the dark ages when I grew up in the 70’s, the expectations for special effects were pretty low. Star Wars was pretty incredible, but so were the movies that followed that didn’t use the not yet separate ILM. Star Trek: TMP, Battlestar Galactica, and many others were on their own. BSG had the advantage of people who had worked on Star Wars, but they used a variety of techniques to continue to improve the effects shots. Still, in a lot of cases you can tell, even today. So it creates a bar that we old people have judged newer releases on. People talk about the effects in the PT being fake and I find them above the bar and quite good.

Acting is another subjective category. Do you judge just on their performance or on their ability to morph into the character? Do you judge them based on one performance or on their body of work?

In the end, great movies combine great work in all areas. That does not mean those are always people’s favorites. It doesn’t explain the popularity of some movies, like the Twilight series. Sometimes people get caught up in something about the story that is less quantifiable. Some of the truly great films have that aspect as well.

As someone interested in writing, but not very talented myself, I find that the areas of the screenplay are what I look at first. Does the story flow. Does it have a beginning and ending and a solid route from one to the other. From then, the other aspects take over. I find in many ways, actors and their performances can be the least important aspect for me to enjoy a film. The editing, cinematography, and music are the most important. A CG fest isn’t going to impress me. CG that helps convey a good story and paint a picture of the world they movie is trying to create does. I have a pretty good ability to suspend disbelief, but when something way too obviously violates the laws of physics, it can pull me right out of a film. The Mechs in Pacific Rim and the destruction of the Hosnian system in TFA are two prime examples.

So when you ask people to rate films, you are going to get a host of responses. I know that the PT are very derided around here, but not everyone hates them outright. It takes a lot for me to hate a film. A contrived script (Avatar and Pearl Harbor), something historical or already established done badly (Geronimo: An American Legend and Star Trek Into Darkness), a bad book adaption (Battlefield Earth), and a few other pet peeves lead me to give some movies that others dearly love my worst rating. compared to some of those stinkers, the PT are absolutely fabulous works of art. We all have our individual preferences. The PT stink far less than a great many movies out there. I’ve seen my share of them and the PT are as far above them in my opinion as the OT is above TFA.

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yotsuya said:

Yes, this thread is about our personal ranking of the films so it is very much each person’s opinion.

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  1. Empire Strikes Back (cliche, but it is the film that got me BACK into this lifestyle)
  2. The Force Awakens (it hit a lot of marks for me – lovely experience, but flawed)
  3. A New Hope (great start, but just isn’t my personal favourite)
  4. Revenge of the Sith (Not perfect, but is still pretty good)
  5. The Phantom Menace (First STAR WARS film I saw, and still holds up, most of it at least)
  6. Return of the Jedi (The acting…)
  7. Attack of the Clones (“I hit a ship but they used a decoy.” – thrilling)

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Why not? At this point I am also pretty much used to the annoying pro PT arguments that come up over and over again and that lead nowhere.

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yhwx said:

  1. Return of the Jedi
    The needed sequel to The Empire Strikes Back. You can’t have one without the other. I can tolerate some of the lower points of the film. Overall, a great end to the trilogy.

That’s a good point actually. Jedi might be inferior to Empire, but without Jedi, Empire would be a thoroughly unsatisfying sequel. It’s actually rather similar to my favorite anime Madoka Magica; The current end to that series is the movie Rebellion, which I’d say is fine if taken as just another installment in a larger story (though its mere existence did ruin what I consider one of the most perfect endings to any story ever…), but if that movie is to be the final end of the story… Well then it’s pretty much the most blatant waste of time I’ve ever seen, borderline infuriating in how much obvious effort and thought went into it only for it to end on a blatantly unfinished and unsatisfying note… Thankfully they did announce another sequel a while back, which should hopefully be the Jedi to Rebellion’s Empire. Because no matter the interesting ideas and impressive set-pieces you put into a movie, if you’re gonna end it on a blatant cliffhanger, you owe it to the fans to eventually resolve said cliffhanger. Especially if the cliffhangery sequel turns out to be one of the most ludicrously successful things you’ve ever put out… which Rebellion did.

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JawsTDS said:

  1. Return of the Jedi (The acting…)

I think, with the exception of Harrison Ford who was kind of phoning it in, Jedi actually has the best acting of the OT. It was Mark Hamill’s best performance by far, that’s for sure. And Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor is awesome. James Earl Jones, David Prowse, and finally Sebastian Shaw all carried Vader’s redemption perfectly too.

So I find this kind of a strange complaint. There are things to nitpick Jedi for, and even larger flaws with it, but I don’t see how the acting would be a dealbreaker relative to the rest of the films.

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darthrush said:

crissrudd4554 said:

darthrush said:

So bullying new members who happen to like the PT is inclusive and rude behavior on your part. It’s saddening that some of us create such a hostile environment.

Just for the record I’ve been on this site since 2012. I’m pretty much used to Frink’s uh well you know.

Which no member should have to.

Which part of this:

TV’s Frink said:

I never said he was wrong to like a bad movie. I just said I don’t understand it.

is causing the disconnect with reality for you two?