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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 182

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After seeing the trailer I also wondered about who was responsible for the new trailer’s music. The piano notes that played during the first few shots did not feel at all like William’s or Star Wars to me. At first I thought it was tracked music from some other recent score. Good to know that may not even be heard in the film. I’m not resistant to new themes, styles or composers in the stand alone films, as long as it’s not jarring or bland. I just listed to the soundtrack of “Superman Returns” the other day, and that was a great blend of John Williams’s established themes interwoven with a new original score by a different composer. I feel that Superman II-IV all did a good job in that respect. Again, I’m not worried as long as it’s a good composer / arranger working on theses stand alone films.

The trailer music was done by a group of people, and it’s been revealed that Frederick Lloyd and John Samuel Hanson are 2 people from this group.Frederick Lloyd says he has contributed music to the latter half of the trailer, namely the “Force Theme,” while John Samuel Hanson of Confidential Music worked on the first half of the trailer music. It’s still unknown who the others are.

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I thought those piano notes fit that scene perfectly. So far the opening of that trailer up to the part where she’s walking through the desert are my favorite visuals and mood to come out of anything released. Certainly the part I’m most looking forward to seeing in the theater.

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Fang Zei said:
It would be a nice surprise if this turned out to be yet another promotional poster and Struzan did the final one sheet.

That would be nice, but I think what we have is the official one sheet. I bet struzan is not surprised in the least that this happened. Disney had done this to him many times in the past. I bet they used his comps as a reference to make the official photoshop one sheet.

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The Mumford piece is the only one I have any interest in. The rest are just noise. Mumford’s poster captures it all perfectly, at least the part of the story in which I’m interested. I’ll have it framed somewhere in my office and update my DVD\Blu-ray case with it.

Mumford

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There are three more in the series. Hopefully we get a look at those soon, but for me this one is going to mighty tough to beat.

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I’m just hoping they haven’t turned Luke into a celibate monk, to follow the prequel’s version of the jedi. I hope his actual personality remains intact. I don’t like the idea of him returning as Luke The White, only to act as a completely different character. Yes, he is older, but you always maintain a good chunk of your personality throughout life. I don’t like how soulless and flat the prequels made the jedi. Ben and Yoda both had wonderful personalities in the original films, yet they were concrete slabs in the prequels.

I also don’t want to hear word for word quotes from the originals, that even the prequels used. JJ pulled a lot of that shit in Star Trek. I don’t want to see a fan service, I want to see a good movie. The first 2 Star Wars films were great movies.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Sadly, I feel a lot of prequelesque dialogue drags down the trailer - only Han’s lines seem to have a natural flow to them. I can almost hear Hayden Christensen giving the same delivery on both Finn and Kylo Ren’s lines.

Here’s my attempt to find a happy medium (have a thread in FanEdits but thought it might be appropriate here as well).

https://youtu.be/OJGWJwADbxE

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EyeShotFirst said:

I’m just hoping they haven’t turned Luke into a celibate monk, to follow the prequel’s version of the jedi. I hope his actual personality remains intact. I don’t like the idea of him returning as Luke The White, only to act as a completely different character. Yes, he is older, but you always maintain a good chunk of your personality throughout life. I don’t like how soulless and flat the prequels made the jedi. Ben and Yoda both had wonderful personalities in the original films, yet they were concrete slabs in the prequels.

I also don’t want to hear word for word quotes from the originals, that even the prequels used. JJ pulled a lot of that shit in Star Trek. I don’t want to see a fan service, I want to see a good movie. The first 2 Star Wars films were great movies.

Yes. I hope he hasn’t lost the ability to speak using contractions.

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People complained about Stuzan’s work in here, some will never be satisified.

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So you going to blame Lawrence Kasdan’s (THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK) writing for it? George Lucas did not direct this one. Of course he directed Star Wars the original and you seemed to have little problem. I know this forum has a lot of “militant purists” where nothing outside the original unaltered films (With ROTJ not quite accepted either) will probably ever be accepted unless you guys are given approval over everything from the screenplay, filming techniques, etc. Some are so dogmatic they think their opinion is absolute science to what a “good” SW movie is. As if there is absolute scientific standard to what makes a film good or bad. It’s art, it’s subjective opinion. They could let you in on the creative process and approval and give you everything you want, truth told, no MATTER what they do, or whomever else does with a SW movie, there will always be people on forums here or somewhere griping about what was done “wrong”. Never can they make EVERYONE happy.

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So you going to blame Lawrence Kasdan’s (THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK) writing for it? George Lucas did not direct this one. Of course he directed Star Wars the original and you seemed to have little problem. I know this forum has a lot of “militant purists” where nothing outside the original unaltered films (With ROTJ not quite accepted either) will probably ever be accepted unless you guys are given approval over everything from the screenplay, filming techniques, etc. Some are so dogmatic they think their opinion is absolute science to what a “good” SW movie is. As if there is absolute scientific standard to what makes a film good or bad. It’s art, it’s subjective opinion. They could let you in on the creative process and approval and give you everything you want, truth told, no MATTER what they do, or whomever else does with a SW movie, there will always be people on forums here or somewhere griping about what was done “wrong”. Never can they make EVERYONE happy.

If you could use a quote or otherwise indicate who you are responding to, that would help me understand what has set you off in this post.

I agree with you that we’re very critical on this site. In some cases, I think it’s very well-founded. In other cases, perhaps a bit over-the-top. Occasionally, totally batshit.

In case it was a response to me, since I was the post immediately above yours: I was making a joke about how robotic and awful some of the dialogue was in the prequels. It got a bit more natural for Episode III, though. I did not actually mean to imply that Kasden would write such wooden characters. Edit: Oh, you’re probably talking to nightstalker. Can’t say I hear what he’s hearing.

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Sorry about my wrongful quoting tag. Like I said though, I never have like how people use opinions like they are objective scientific facts. Or like there is some scientific objective standard to what makes a movie factually good or not.

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Sorry about my wrongful quoting tag. Like I said though, I never have like how people use opinions like they are objective scientific facts. Or like there is some scientific objective standard to what makes a movie factually good or not.

You’ll find a pretty wide range of opinions on SW across the internet. As you know, this is a forum that’s pretty biased against the PT and SE (to put it mildly). It’s pretty split on VII, as far as I can tell. Plenty of us are enjoying what we are seeing or just withholding judgement until it comes out. But if this place harbors anything, it’s criticism. I don’t agree with all of it, but there has to be a release valve somewhere on the net. Saying anything remotely critical of Lucas on other popular SW forums will result in no discussion, but a hundred kids yelling at you about George’s Ultimate Vision.

That said, if Disney ever does attempt the OOT, I’ll probably be vacationing from this site for a while so that I can enjoy these damn things as films again for a bit, before learning how every single aspect of them is wrong and apocryphal. 😃

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I know, I just feel bad for some of you, I guess it’s my fault for bothering to read this forum, but it seems to suck the life out of everything, that so many will seem to hate or gripe no matter what is done to try to appease them. Like I said it seems as if some would have to be handed all the decision making to be pleased. Then there would still be people critical of those choices somewhere. Guess I must realize this forum is only a tiny fraction of the entire fanbase.

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Sevb32 said:

I know this forum has a lot of “militant purists” where nothing outside the original unaltered films (With ROTJ not quite accepted either) will probably ever be accepted unless you guys are given approval over everything from the screenplay, filming techniques, etc. Some are so dogmatic they think their opinion is absolute science to what a “good” SW movie is…They could let you in on the creative process and approval and give you everything you want, truth told, no MATTER what they do…

Are you addressing someone in particular or just criticizing this community as a whole?
Hint: It’s a trick question

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Sevb32 said:

People complained about Struzan’s work in here, some will never be satisfied.

Yeah, I don’t understand that either. I have been a fan of struzans work for decades. I have never seen him put out a bad piece. The D23 poster is fantastic, even though it’s only a promo poster.

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Anchorhead said:

Sevb32 said:

I know this forum has a lot of “militant purists” where nothing outside the original unaltered films (With ROTJ not quite accepted either) will probably ever be accepted unless you guys are given approval over everything from the screenplay, filming techniques, etc. Some are so dogmatic they think their opinion is absolute science to what a “good” SW movie is…They could let you in on the creative process and approval and give you everything you want, truth told, no MATTER what they do…

Are you addressing someone in particular or just criticizing this community as a whole?
Hint: It’s a trick question

He’s criticizing this community as a whole.

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Sevb32 said:

People complained about Struzan’s work in here, some will never be satisfied.

Yeah, I don’t understand that either. I have been a fan of struzans work for decades. I have never seen him put out a bad piece. The D23 poster is fantastic, even though it’s only a promo poster.

It’s probably because his style reminds a lot of people of the PT films and the SE, and for those with certain purist tendencies he wasn’t part of the “original poster artists.”
Well, he sort of was, but there’s obviously artists like Tom Jung, Kastel and the Hildebrants that made the most famous OT posters.
Of course Struzan have been making SW posters since 1978, and he made the Revenge of the Jedi poster as well, but his work on the SE and PT posters have become some of the most famous (at least withing the SW franchise).
I guess those who’s old enough to have seen the OT when it was new never really saw his posters at the cinemas, and therefore they just don’t associate his work with the films. His SE and PT poster however was the official artwork and you could’t go anywhere without seeing it.

Some of Struzan’s original SW posters.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20535561/SW poster - Drew Struzan ANH 1978.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20535561/SW poster - Drew Struzan Revenge of the Jedi.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20535561/SW poster - Drew Struzan ANH 10th anniversary.jpg

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I used to have every one-sheet made for the first two films and that Revenge teaser linked above, all displayed in chronological order, and all eventually lost in a flood (stOOpid water). For the longest, I thought the 1978 Style D for Star Wars was Struzan’s best work (nothing beats Jung’s original). All these years later I think his Revenge Of The Jedi has aged the best. Nice and simple, sets the mood. To me, one of his better pieces overall, from any film.

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Sevb32 said:

I know, I just feel bad for some of you, I guess it’s my fault for bothering to read this forum, but it seems to suck the life out of everything, that so many will seem to hate or gripe no matter what is done to try to appease them. Like I said it seems as if some would have to be handed all the decision making to be pleased. Then there would still be people critical of those choices somewhere. Guess I must realize this forum is only a tiny fraction of the entire fanbase.

This is not the truth and you know it.

I will speak for myself personally and not for anyone else… But I think the general consensus is that the life has already been sucked out of star wars trilogy with the special editions and then the PT.

I want it all back and more, and that is it really. I want to see the original films restored and special editions we can be proud of.

As for the prequel trilogy I don’t really know what can be done about it and I gave up caring. Not my cup of tea.

Let’s keep our fingers crossed for the new films I hope they will be good!

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Anyone else think JJ secretly filmed Billy Dee’s surprise cameo like he did with Nimoy in Star Trek Into Darkness?

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Fang Zei said:

Anyone else think JJ secretly filmed Billy Dee’s surprise cameo like he did with Nimoy in Star Trek Into Darkness?

Anything is possible these days. All you need is a camera, some lights, and a portable greenscreen.

You’d think some obsessed fan would have been tracking Billy Dee’s movements for the past year. 😉

I wonder if the holograms will be done “old school” as they were in the OT? Shot on video, and reshot on film off a CRT monitor.

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ZkinandBonez said:
It’s probably because his style reminds a lot of people of the PT films and the SE, and for those with certain purist tendencies he wasn’t part of the “original poster artists.”
Well, he sort of was, but there’s obviously artists like Tom Jung, Kastel and the Hildebrants that made the most famous OT posters.
Of course Struzan have been making SW posters since 1978, and he made the Revenge of the Jedi poster as well, but his work on the SE and PT posters have become some of the most famous (at least withing the SW franchise).
I guess those who’s old enough to have seen the OT when it was new never really saw his posters at the cinemas, and therefore they just don’t associate his work with the films. His SE and PT poster however was the official artwork and you could’t go anywhere without seeing it.

Struzan didn’t officially pin his signature style until 1984, and although the “D” style poster, or better known as the circus style poster which was done for the 1978 re-release of Star wars is Lucas’s favorite, it was not done by Drew alone. It was a collaborative effort between Drew a two other people. Had drew pinned his signature style earlier, Lucas would have probably had him do the official one sheet for all of the original star wars films. Drew also did a one sheet for Raiders of the Lost Ark, but it was only used in the foreign markets. Lucas hired Richard Amsel to do the U.S. one sheet.

The only poster I ever saw for star wars in 1977 was the one done by Tom Jung, and I remember theaters back then had it displayed a couple of months before it opened in 1977. All of the other versions B-C were commissioned for the foreign and UK markets. It was the same thing for Empire and Jedi except drew did the U.S. teaser for Revenge of the Jedi, but it never made it to theaters and Lucas had all but 6800 destroyed after he changed the name from Revenge to Return of the Jedi, and those 6800 were sold to statwars fan club members in just a couple of days time.

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