sunglassesatnite said:
danny_boy said:
sunglassesatnite said:
I think TFA WILL be awful. I’m not hoping for it to be awful, but I think it will be.
Although J.J. Abrams has achieved mainstream success, I have never truly gotten “on board” with his style of filmmaking. And it’s not that his movies are completely “awful” any sense. It’s just that every time I’ve left out of the theater after seeing one of his movies I have a gnawing, hungry, not-quite-satisfied feeling—similar to the feeling one has after eating at McDonald’s. Not terrible, but not quite satisfying. In other words, totally un-OOT-like.
This is a vague feeling and it is hard to explain, but there are micro-moments in Abrams’s various films where I get sucked straight out of the movie, out of the fantasy--and into a realm where “this doesn’t quite make sense.” Or, “that seems odd why that character would do [or say] that.”
There are several of these “micro-moments” from J.J.’s films that I could get into (but won’t). There is, though, one in the latest behind-the-scenes TFA footage (presumably from San Diego, but I’m not certain about that) which, at least for me, demonstrates what I am talking about. For a few seconds, a guy appearing to be Oscar Isaacs is being hustled down a very Death Star-looking starship passageway by a Stormtrooper.
I will get accused of being overly anal about this, but something about the composition of that shot and the body language of the characters was just wrong. It immediately made me think of similar shots in the OOT where our captive heroes are being made to walk places they don’t necessarily want to go (think of Han Solo at the Carbonite chamber, or the surrendered starship troopers at the beginning of A New Hope). Not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but in the TFA footage it just looked “off.” For one thing, in J.J.’s footage the Stormtrooper has his gun on Oscar Isaacs with one hand, while attempting to briskly shuffle him down the passageway with the other; presumably to take him to some kind of “detention block.” The thing is, why does the Stormtrooper have his gun on Isaacs when they are presumably on the Stormtrooper’s own ship to begin with? Why the hell is the Stormtrooper in such a hurry when, again, they are on the Stormtrooper’s own ship? Why aren’t there two Stormtroopers handling Isaacs? Why am I being so completely anal about two seconds of footage, the completed version of which I haven’t yet seen?
The reason is because it just looks “wrong.” It doesn’t look like Star Wars (or at least the only Star Wars that exists to me—namely the OOT). In the OOT, a shot like this would have had two Stormtroopers walking behind our hero, weapons at port arms, with a pace and body language that suggested power and control…thereby infusing the scene with a sense of gravity and foreboding. This scene, by contrast, just doesn’t come off well. It just looks like a Stormtrooper hustling some dude down a hallway, and doesn’t really communicate anything beyond that. Worse, it kind of makes the Stormtrooper look like--in the words of late-great TV series the Wire—“a graspy little bitch” who can’t handle his business somehow.
Am I making my prediction of TFA’s lack of quality based on this one scene? Hardly. I am merely attempting to give an example of how J.J. Abrams’s style, for me, doesn’t completely work.
Great post.
The language of cinema has constantly evolved to reflect a cultural aesthetic that relates to the time that the product is made in.
So that little clip in TFA trailer where hundreds of StormTroopers are assembled together ......reeks of the thousands of Orcs from Lord Of The Rings, the Agent Smiths in the Matrix, The Chitari and Ultrons from the 2 Avengers movies ....and yes the clones and droid armies from the prequels.
It definitely does not resemble anything from the OT.....the technology simply did not exist to convey thousands and thousands of troopers in attendance together(apart for that brief matte painting in ROTJ on the death star when the emperor arrives).
In the OT....size(e.g army of the Empire) was implied and simply left to the imagination.....which in my opinion is a far more potent storytelling technique.
These days nothing is left to the imagination......it is shown.
Hence the creative lull that we find ourselves in.
The existence of the TFA is proof of that.
Thanks. You made an interesting observation about the massed troopers shot being similar to shots we see in modern films, which I totally agree with. That got me to thinking about another aspect of this so-called "First Order:" I really hope that this film isn't going to have a bunch of political deconstruction and exposition about why the Empire is still around. If it does, I think the film will suffer for it.
One of the great things about the OOT is that it didn't require much in the way of explanation as to the motivations of the Rebellion. The audience gleaned that information gradually as the story progressed. There was some political talk ("if word gets out, it could generate sympathy for the rebellion..." etc.), but very little of it was macro-level, and tended to arise from situations where characters were immediately involved. In other words, the audience wasn't hit over the head with it.
The thing is, I don't really care about why the Empire is still around. Some may think that this needs to be explained, but I don't think it needs to be explained. Or at least explained very little. Let the audience figure it out. The Empire was a big organization, and the possibility always existed that it could come back after a devastating blow. The politics don't matter.
Yes exposition can be a burden if there is a lack of equilibrium with other story telling factors(character arcs, plot devices, editing and pacing ect).
The OT literally threw the audience head first into an unfamiliar and mysterious universe(one of it's biggest drawing points).
On the other hand,The Force Awakens is throwing you back into a universe that you are already familiar with( the 2 TFA trailers accentuate this fact)......yes there will be new characters and stuff .....but will it be enough to engage and stimulate?
using Abram's interpretations of Star Trek and Mission Impossible as a template ......I have my doubts.