Superman IV International Cut (see Booshman's posts) (Released) — Page 2

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Until subtitles are confined to black borders (and it should be the case, as AR is 2.35:1) there will be no problem... could you please post some examples of subs out of black borders?

Having re-checked the subs overlapping the movie image is quite common. I'm not sure if they can be turned off. They are present on the rip I have, but I don't have an LD player to check the actual disc, and I can't read the back of the packaging as it's all in Japanese.

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Those Japanese subs are burnt in.  Unless you have an LD player that allows you to turn them off you're stuck.  As for the DVD, you cannot turn them off because it was captured with them.

Sorry. 

Ah, yeah I thought they might be burned into the original image, it's a shame.

I'm pretty sure the only WS version on LD was the Japanese one, and that other version is P&S like the VHS.

Yes, that's right, the Japanese LD was the only widescreen one. I-III got widescreen LDs in North America in the 90s, but not IV.

Booshman, would you mind uploading your LD rip to MySpleen?

JupePeteBob said:

Booshman, would you mind uploading your LD rip to MySpleen?

 I haven't got time right now, but I'll get it on there once the holidays are done with.

Thanks, I've been after it for a long time now.

Those LD Jap screens rock. I also have the same LD but haven't played it in some time. I have a composite version somewhere w/o subs. 

Shame Nuclear man I was never inserted to the final version because I found his scenes rather cool.

JupePeteBob said:

Booshman, would you mind uploading your LD rip to MySpleen?

 Now on the spleen.

Booshman said:

JupePeteBob said:

Booshman, would you mind uploading your LD rip to MySpleen?

 Now on the spleen.

 Thank you so much!

Hi everyone, hope you all had a nice Christmas.

For the record mine is a PAL laserdisc, so yeah... it is cropped unfortunately.

Booshman has kindly provided me with the missing scenes which I needed, so the only thing I can think of is try and upscale them to fit the blu-ray. However I am more inclined to try and either downscale the blu-ray to 480p so the difference isn't as jarring. But as already noted, the DVD has a colour timing closer to the LD footage... so it's really finding the right balance. I don't know which people would prefer.

I will post some screenshots of my attempt at colour-correcting the blu-ray at some point, which has for the most part, been desaturating it slightly, and to remove some of the teal.

rockin said:

Hi everyone, hope you all had a nice Christmas.

For the record mine is a PAL laserdisc, so yeah... it is cropped unfortunately.

Booshman has kindly provided me with the missing scenes which I needed, so the only thing I can think of is try and upscale them to fit the blu-ray. However I am more inclined to try and either downscale the blu-ray to 480p so the difference isn't as jarring. But as already noted, the DVD has a colour timing closer to the LD footage... so it's really finding the right balance. I don't know which people would prefer.

I will post some screenshots of my attempt at colour-correcting the blu-ray at some point, which has for the most part, been desaturating it slightly, and to remove some of the teal.

 I think if you're going to downscale the bluray, you might as well use the DVD as the source. It looks a lot nicer colour wise and will save you work. I think based off the quality of the rip that the footage will blend better this way too.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I'll be happy to capture the laserdisc with my X9, upscale the needed scenes to match (as it could be possible) the blu-ray, and use the whole capture as color reference for the blu-ray... rockin, where are you from?

 I've no idea of the method used to capture the LD rip I have. Based from the screen grabs I posted, can you tell how much of an improvement your X9 would make?

I noticed while watching the Superman IV LD rip that there was a brief view of the LD volume levels being viewed, then it disappeared, it would need to be removed if it were to be a source for an edit.  Other than that, it was a decent cap @ only 4GB size.

Thanks for sharing.  It was a real treat.

:) 

Booshman said:

rockin said:

Hi everyone, hope you all had a nice Christmas.

For the record mine is a PAL laserdisc, so yeah... it is cropped unfortunately.

Booshman has kindly provided me with the missing scenes which I needed, so the only thing I can think of is try and upscale them to fit the blu-ray. However I am more inclined to try and either downscale the blu-ray to 480p so the difference isn't as jarring. But as already noted, the DVD has a colour timing closer to the LD footage... so it's really finding the right balance. I don't know which people would prefer.

I will post some screenshots of my attempt at colour-correcting the blu-ray at some point, which has for the most part, been desaturating it slightly, and to remove some of the teal.

 I think if you're going to downscale the bluray, you might as well use the DVD as the source. It looks a lot nicer colour wise and will save you work. I think based off the quality of the rip that the footage will blend better this way too.

I think it is possible to get really good results using the blu-ray source to match the LD footage or vice versa, but as you said, it will be time consuming, and there could be a number of problems making this look seamless.

For the sake of just getting the whole cut out there, I would agree that it would be easier to use the original DVD and the LD footage for the missing scenes, which I may simply do.

For the audio, I was wondering if there were any differences between the LD, DVD and Blu-ray? 

Jetrell Fo said:

I noticed while watching the Superman IV LD rip that there was a brief view of the LD volume levels being viewed, then it disappeared, it would need to be removed if it were to be a source for an edit.  Other than that, it was a decent cap @ only 4GB size.

Thanks for sharing.  It was a real treat.

:) 

 Glad you enjoyed it, you're welcome.

skyjedi2005 said:

Is the extended cut any better though the original was one of the worst films i have ever seen especially in terms of cheesy bad acting and terrible effects.

Along with Star Trek V it has to have some of the worst effects of the later 1980's.

 The extended cut is only 3 minutes longer, with 2 added sequences during the Nuclear Man fight. It doesn't improve the film much, but if it's the way you are used to seeing the film it at least makes it feel complete again. The score is also really good and it continues without interruption with these 2 scenes put back in.

rockin said:

For the audio, I was wondering if there were any differences between the LD, DVD and Blu-ray? 

 I think they are all the same mix. They are all stereo. The bluray is DTS-HD-MA, so the bitrate it much higher than the DVD version.

Booshman said:

Jetrell Fo said:

I noticed while watching the Superman IV LD rip that there was a brief view of the LD volume levels being viewed, then it disappeared, it would need to be removed if it were to be a source for an edit.  Other than that, it was a decent cap @ only 4GB size.

Thanks for sharing.  It was a real treat.

:) 

 Glad you enjoyed it, you're welcome.

skyjedi2005 said:

Is the extended cut any better though the original was one of the worst films i have ever seen especially in terms of cheesy bad acting and terrible effects.

Along with Star Trek V it has to have some of the worst effects of the later 1980's.

 The extended cut is only 3 minutes longer, with 2 added sequences during the Nuclear Man fight. It doesn't improve the film much, but if it's the way you are used to seeing the film it at least makes it feel complete again. The score is also really good and it continues without interruption with these 2 scenes put back in.

rockin said:

For the audio, I was wondering if there were any differences between the LD, DVD and Blu-ray? 

 I think they are all the same mix. They are all stereo. The bluray is DTS-HD-MA, so the bitrate it much higher than the DVD version.

But are there any differences in dynamic range between them? I know LD audio can sometimes be better than the DVD and Blu-ray for this.

Video Collector said:

Just downloaded Booshman's International cut preservation from the 'Spleen.

Excellent work on integrating the LD footage into the cut! There's no mistaking it for the HD footage surrounding it, but I don't think theres more that could be done.

The colour-correction and the isolated score were a welcome bonus too.

Thanks for doing this.

 Your welcome! I forgot there was a thread on here too and didn't update about the release, so cheers for the reminder. 

I edited this once..... never again. :D

Is this an extended cut like my Quest for Coherence cut?

jimbotron235 said:

I edited this once..... never again. :D

Is this an extended cut like my Quest for Coherence cut?

No mate, just the US cut with the 2 scenes missing from the Nuclear Man battle put back in. The whole thing has been recoloured and the laserdisc footage has been fixed up as best I could. 

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

if this laserdisc is actually open matte and not pan&scan, it could be used for this project...

Like Superman 1-3, Quest for Peace was shot anamorphic and not Super35, so therefore all 4:3 versions are pan and scan.

Which brings me to another question, was there a Japanese or Asian DVD of the IC released over there? Depending if WB does not own the Asian rights and if another company does, it might worth looking into.

Supermartyoh said:

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

if this laserdisc is actually open matte and not pan&scan, it could be used for this project...

 

Like Superman 1-3, Quest for Peace was shot anamorphic and not Super35, so therefore all 4:3 versions are pan and scan.

Which brings me to another question, was there a Japanese or Asian DVD of the IC released over there? Depending if WB does not own the Asian rights and if another company does, it might worth looking into.

 I remember the DVD's for 3&4 took a long while to come out even though 1&2 had been released. Then when they did, 4 was the US version. Looking at the Chinese and Japanese DVD's,  the artwork is consistent with the initial DVD release. Their runtimes show they are the same as the US cut, so it would appear the Japanese LD is the only release with the extra scenes in their proper aspect ratio.