LexX said:
I just saw Terminator: Genisys and I had to start a thread about the whole franchise.
SPOILERS
The movie sucked! I couldn't believe what I was seeing, it was way worse than 3 or 4.
I thought it was a lot of fun. You didn't like it, that's fine, but there is no way that Genisys is worse than Salvation. I'm not trying to attack you here, I'm just going to break this up a bit and try address your issues point by point. these are just my take on it all..
So basically none of the other movies happened at all, not even the first two which to me are the best action movies ever with Die Hard.
You could look at it that way, but it's more like Star Trek - every time they go back, a new future is created. Terminator 3 taught us that everything they tried to prevent still happened, just in a different way.
They ruined John Connor. The new Terminator model sucked and didn't even make sense. Kyle Reese became a whiny bitch who's in a way all the time and Sarah Connor was just annoying (although hot).
Did you see The Terminator [T1]? He was in over his head there too. remember the police station, or the crimes he committed? He wasn't really a model soldier. in T5 he was supposed to seem that way because things had happened that they had no idea about ie: pops.
oh and with John - the most we've seen of him was the Xian Bale version where he doesn't really do a lot. he sits around the base, he growls at people, he gets zero respect from command and then he almost gets himself killed by defying orders.
The pair just argued and yelled at each other through the whole movie and it concludes to a kiss. What? Ugh.
I think the point here was Sarah realising that she could actually make her own choices and not be a slave to the timeline. she'd been told that she had to have sex with a man she'd never met, I can see how she'd be uncomfortable with that. this is a bit different to meeting and falling in love with a guy.
It was good to see Arnold back but his performance was on par with T3, throwing some one liners and to lighten the mood.
Here's an idea for an experiment - watch terminator 2 and every time Arnold delivers a cheesy one liner, take a shot of whiskey..
Salvation feels like a masterpiece after this as this one just pisses on all other Terminator films and their characters.
Salvation was a complete waste, absolutely nothing important happened in that film. Even worse - there was no time travel, no attempt to alter events by messing with the past. To me that is what the Terminator is all about. On top of that, Skynet should have no idea who Kyle Reese is! He wont play an important role until AFTER the war is all but lost. AND Skynets records of the 80's are sketchy at best - that's why the Terminator actually had to go SEARCHING for Sarah Connor to begin with.
Oh, and what's up with Salvation and Genisys when they have to have Skynet in some weird digital form to explain what's going on in the end? First time it was cringe-worthy, the second time even more so.
I agree with this, the movie would be better without it. it's kind of like an overconfident 'Bond' villain telegraphing his plans.
Man, with all the sequels this year this was the biggest disappointment. I don't think I want to see this film ever again. And there's a trilogy coming from this...
I feel like you are being overly critical on a movie you just plain didn't like.
Is it a great movie? not really.
Is it the worst in the franchise? not by a long shot.
Is is the only movie in the franchise to bend or break rules set forth in previous films? nope. In fact, they actually addressed an issue that even T2 was guilty of.
The plan was to send kyle back and then destroy the time machine. end of story. in T2, suddenly we have MORE terminators from the future. at least here we see that Skynet was able to regain control of the time machine right after Reese uses it.