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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 59

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Darth Lucas said:

For everybody complaining that it looks too modern, are you forgetting how unbelievably 70's the original SW looked?

That's a different way of thinking about it.  JJ could be using much more practical FX than most film's today, but much like the original SW screamed 1977, this one will scream 2015.  So in a way, JJ could be more homage to the fact that SW 77 heavily reflected the culture of that day.

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Ziggy Stardust said:

Perhaps the soccer ball droid only rolls when it's moving, and can deploy objects from its sphere?

 I agree. They've got the same pain scheme, the sphere appears to have hatches on it.

As for how it stays on...magnets?

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Just watched it.  You can tell it was shot on HD cameras because there's nothing film like about the footage.  That's whats giving it the modern look.  It looks even more video then the prequels.

The whole thing looks like a fan film unfortunately.  Those X Wings were great though, the only thing I liked.

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What's the reason for it not looking film like?  Digital manipulation to blend the CGI with the real stuff?

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unamochilla2 said:

What's the reason for it not looking film like?  Digital manipulation to blend the CGI with the real stuff?

 The fact it's just a trailer and a work in progress perhaps?...

JJ has said many times it's being shot on 35mm film and wants it to fit in with the original movies. I have no doubt the real McCoy will look fine come December 2015. I'm sure we'll get more of a feel for how it really looks with the next trailer.

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I took some screenshots

http://imgur.com/a/8yjlI

Could part of the image problem be that we're looking at compressed video? How much is that contributing to the omgdigital cry?

JEDIT: Some guy did a better job: http://imgur.com/a/NJysK

RETURNOFTHEJEDIT: Another guy did some commentary/analysis: http://imgur.com/a/hEC3Z

Small notes:

  • The red saber is a lot stable, more flamey-crackley than most sabers. Perhaps it's an older, ancient blade?
  • The X-Wing's wings open exactly like we thought
  • The Falcon still has its boxes

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Where has Abrams said it's being shot on 35mm so it will fit in the OT?  Not that I don't believe you, but I didn't think Abrams has taken sides, so to speak.

Now the wait begins for the actual trailer.  May, perhaps?

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unamochilla2 said:

Where has Abrams said it's being shot on 35mm so it will fit in the OT?  Not that I don't believe you, but I didn't think Abrams has taken sides, so to speak.

Now the wait begins for the actual trailer.  May, perhaps?

 

http://www.cinema5d.com/jj-abrams-shoots-star-wars-episode-vii-35mm-film/

Yeah I'm wondering if we'll be dropped another morsel in May. I'm actually hoping that we'll get some some 'leaked' photos of glimpses of the original trilogy cast in costume, perhaps in time for the Christmas period. Was a little disappointed we didn't see them in this teaser, but kind of expected that, knowing how JJ likes to tease the audience.

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I have to admit I was very disappointed by the teaser trailer (even without high hopes anyway). It doesn't look like the prequels, and it doesn't look like the OT either. It reminded me of the Old Republic trailer to be honest. I know it's just a teaser so hopefully it'll grow on me as new information comes out.

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Is no movie safe from this phenomenon?

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Thanks for the link.  I wouldn't be surprised if we got some photo teasers here and there before the trailer arrives.  Maybe we'll even get a poster of some sort? 

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Handman said:

Is no movie safe from this phenomenon?

Is the coloring in a teaser indicative of what the coloring will be like in the final film?  I'm asking because I really don't know.

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77FN said:

unamochilla2 said:

Where has Abrams said it's being shot on 35mm so it will fit in the OT?  Not that I don't believe you, but I didn't think Abrams has taken sides, so to speak.

Now the wait begins for the actual trailer.  May, perhaps?

 

http://www.cinema5d.com/jj-abrams-shoots-star-wars-episode-vii-35mm-film/

Yeah I'm wondering if we'll be dropped another morsel in May. I'm actually hoping that we'll get some some 'leaked' photos of glimpses of the original trilogy cast in costume, perhaps in time for the Christmas period. Was a little disappointed we didn't see them in this teaser, but kind of expected that, knowing how JJ likes to tease the audience.

 I'm glad, actually. Get people excited about new Star Wars without the old cast, means you can make more films without the old cast in them in the future.

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Those two mini-blades on the saber and hood on the saber's wielder suck. The mini-blades look stupid and I'm sick of hooded villains. I hope that she/he doesn't shoot Force Lightning.

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ratpack1961 said:

Just watched it.  You can tell it was shot on HD cameras because there's nothing film like about the footage.  That's whats giving it the modern look.  It looks even more video then the prequels.

The whole thing looks like a fan film unfortunately.  Those X Wings were great though, the only thing I liked.

 it's being shot 35mm and 65mm I think judgment from a low bitrate net trailer is premature 

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moviefreakedmind said:

I have to admit I was very disappointed by the teaser trailer (even without high hopes anyway). It doesn't look like the prequels, and it doesn't look like the OT either. It reminded me of the Old Republic trailer to be honest. I know it's just a teaser so hopefully it'll grow on me as new information comes out.

I thought the same thing... it's not the PT and it's not the OT... it looks more like an Abrams films than a Star Wars film, but I'm okay with that.  The teaser and it's music has grown on me already.  The only part I'm concerned about is the cliche cloaked character in the forest and that saber.

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What is that villain igniting his lightsaber for anyways? Does he plan on chopping down some trees?

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ratpack1961 said:

Just watched it.  You can tell it was shot on HD cameras because there's nothing film like about the footage.  That's whats giving it the modern look.  It looks even more video then the prequels.

 It's shot on 35mm film. The video compression ( especially if you watched the youtube version) is heavily compressed which has eliminated almost all of the grain. Grain is more noticeable on the video on iTunes, but still you can see that the compression is killing a lot of it.

It isn't worth using this trailer as any basis to how the film will eventually look. The colour grading will have been done specifically for the trailer and will likely end up being completely different in the finished film; chances are that the effects aren't even finalised; you're seeing it through a heavily compressed format etc etc.

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Beatleboy99 said:

What is that villain igniting his lightsaber for anyways? Does he plan on chopping down some trees?

This post makes me want to see a picture of Vader, Palpatine, Maul, and Dooku chopping down trees.

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Handman said:

Is no movie safe from this phenomenon?

Even though it's being shot on film it worth noting that all grading etc is done digitally. I think digital grading has killed a lot of films visually, not only big budget studio pictures, but indies as well. 

I used to work in post production and filmmakers just can't resist pushing the colour and contrast. Blacks are never black, everything either has a blue, green or orange tint. It's awful.

Still, let's stay positive here! 

I'm thinking that opening shot might have something added to it later, maybe a crashed ship or something. 

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adywan said:

ratpack1961 said:

Just watched it.  You can tell it was shot on HD cameras because there's nothing film like about the footage.  That's whats giving it the modern look.  It looks even more video then the prequels.

 It's shot on 35mm film. The video compression ( especially if you watched the youtube version) is heavily compressed which has eliminated almost all of the grain. Grain is more noticeable on the video on iTunes, but still you can see that the compression is killing a lot of it.

It isn't worth using this trailer as any basis to how the film will eventually look. The colour grading will have been done specifically for the trailer and will likely end up being completely different in the finished film; chances are that the effects aren't even finalised; you're seeing it through a heavily compressed format etc etc.

 Thanks for the info!

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I can't see anything wrong with the teaser. It did its job and gave us an idea of what the style will be. I still can't believe that this is it though, not that I hate it, but because it's actually here.

My only real complaint is the reveal of the Star Wars logo. The fan-made trailers had it so much better, in my opinion.

“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017

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Handman said:

Is no movie safe from this phenomenon?

 

Please tell me you didn't sit there fuming about colour tints on a teaser trailer, for a film that's over one year away, and go to the effort of making a poster about it?! Streuth.....

I think those shots all look great grouped together. Every shot in virtually every film ever made will have a tint of some description... All that matters is the end result in the final film.