4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 13

gizzy2000 said:

Does anyone hear think that Disney might not ever release the OT out of respect for Lucas' "true vision" for the films

Nope. If the fans don't respect Lucas's "true vision", why would an organization devoted to making money respect it?

darklordoftech said:

gizzy2000 said:

Does anyone hear think that Disney might not ever release the OT out of respect for Lucas' "true vision" for the films

Nope. If the fans don't respect Lucas's "true vision", why would an organization devoted to making money respect it?

digitalfreaknyc said:

darklordoftech said:

gizzy2000 said:

Does anyone hear think that Disney might not ever release the OT out of respect for Lucas' "true vision" for the films

Nope. If the fans don't respect Lucas's "true vision", why would an organization devoted to making money respect it?

If it was, somehow, written into the contract, then they'd have to. I can't see Disney accepting those terms but....who knows? Crazier things have happened.

 The deal with Disney wasn't overnight. Sure, it was announced overnight, but the deal would have been structured over a long period of time. The deal would have regards to Lucas wanting to release 'his' blu rays and allowing breathing room so as not to cannibalize sales of those blu rays. All of it would then hand over to Disney to the tune of $4Billion.

For you, me and fans we can speculate on 'visions and artistic intents' but make no mistake, when Disney and Lucas sat down, they didn't discuss 'visions and artistic intents'. They discussed a property/an IP/a brand to drive sales of merchandise. Disney will do as it pleases with Star Wars. They don't pay $4billion to kowtow to a nondescript 'vision'.

For them, a release of the OOT will fundamentally boil down to a business decision. This business decision will be about one principle objective; to a) create 'goodwill' among the fanbase (i.e. we got this guys, Star Wars is in good hands, honest!), to b) create hype and drive momentum for Episode 7 which c) will in turn set-up sequels which will act as thinly veiled 2 hour adverts to sell merchandise and structure licensing deals.

Michael Corleone says, "...it's not personal, it's just business."

Oh, I bet it's no longer a big deal to George if the unaltered originals at least get a new transfer, just as long as it doesn't look better than his preferred version. You wonder what the exact terms of the sale were, but I just can't comprehend the idea of spending 4 Billion dollars for a property and getting everything except the Holy Grail of said property.

It would've been one thing if there was something legally stopping George from releasing the original versions. There was speculation back in '06 that we were getting the 1993 transfers not because of George's attitude but because of his divorce from Marcia. I think the theory was that this might've even been a prime motivator behind the creation of the SE in the first place, since they were technically different movies (or something) and none of the money made off of these new versions would go to Marcia. 

I'm pretty sure those rumors were debunked, though.

EDIT: Supersonic kinda beat me to it. I'll just add that I don't see another blu-ray release happening without the original versions being included (even if you have to buy the latest version in order to get it). The OT on home video has pretty much run out of any other possible selling point.

Fang Zei said:

Oh, I bet it's no longer a big deal to George if the unaltered originals at least get a new transfer, just as long as it doesn't look better than his preferred version.

Being pragmatic, I just don't think he cares. He took $4Billion and walked away.

Disney will do what it thinks is best to preserve and expand the value of the brand.

Anything mentioned about Lucas is merely lip service.

I wonder how the screening of Star Wars at Plaza Atlanta is going.

It actually should've gotten out by now if they started at 8:00 on the dot. The SE's running time is 2 hours and 5 minutes.

twister111 said:

ComputerGeek said:

I wouldn't mind Disney doing things like fixing matte lines or using digital set extensions (cell block corridor in SW) or coloring the lightsabers in the occasional shots where they're the white stick. But anything other than fixing the small errors should be left alone

ComputerGeek said:

Same. All im saying is if they decide to "fix" anything it should be errors like that. Nothing as drastic as, say, Hayden Christansen or Greedo shooting first.

Please don't give Disney any ideas about "fixing" or "preserving changes". They "reversioned" Power Rangers and it was awful. Saban saved Power Rangers from being stuck like that, Lucas is not going to save Star Wars from any Disney reversioning.

Original versions first and foremost, preserved and properly restored. NO ALTERATION IDEAS ACCEPTABLE UNTIL THEN!!!!!!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

Exactly, Twister. 

I would hope Disney and Lucasfilm bring in Robert A. Harris to consult on the best way to go about restoring the unaltereds. Around the time of the 2011 blu-ray release he reassured everyone that the film materials were "well-protected." If his prior work is any indication, he certainly knows what he's talking about.

One thing could lead to another if they started "fixing" things. I'm sure Lucas thought he was fixing some major plot hole by adding the Jabba scene in Star Wars

Danfun128 said:

twister111 said:

Please don't give Disney any ideas about "fixing" or "preserving changes". They "reversioned" Power Rangers and it was awful. Saban saved Power Rangers from being stuck like that, Lucas is not going to save Star Wars from any Disney reversioning.

Original versions first and foremost, preserved and properly restored. NO ALTERATION IDEAS ACCEPTABLE UNTIL THEN!!!!!!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

 

Ahem, before 2010, and before 1994, WITCH BANDORA SHOT FIRST. Someone make a pic of that... Seriously though, Disney hasn't released its own films in their original format, so what makes you guys think Disney will release an hd OUT?

That's true, but I think the SE of Star Wars is probably the most well-known "other version" of a movie ever. Disney wouldn't hesitate to cater to the many fans out there who remember the OT as it once was.

Guys, I'm sorry to say that the Plaza screening was a dead end. Blu-ray transfer through-and-through. The rock, the call, the slug, the Biggs, it was all there, and in disappointing colors. If there's a new 4K scan out there, it's completely unrelated to tonight's showing. 

It was still a great experience, and I assure you Greedo's shot received a rousing chorus of boos. It's 2014 and people know what's up. And as long as you guys keep it up, an official OOT release, as convenient as that would be, will mean less and less. That being said, I'd be surprised if Disney misses this kind of a chance to cash-in. 

Does this mean there's now a better chance that the RMW scan could be OOT? Weren't we assuming '97 because we thought it tied into the Plaza? Or did the screenshot comparison rule out OOT?

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!

Behodar said:

Noooooooooooooooooooooo!

Seconded. I was looking forward to receivong word that the 97 version is back.

Disappointing about the blu-ray, but this means that whatever they played at the Plaza Atlanta wasn't the new 4k scan right?

Cobra Kai said:

gizzy2000 said:

Disappointing about the blu-ray, but this means that whatever they played at the Plaza Atlanta wasn't the new 4k scan right?

 But we really don't know that this wasn't sourced from the new 4k scan, do we?  How could we be sure they didn't just recreate the 2011 version from the new scan?

1. There's no way that Disney would recreate the 2011 coloring and Ben call.

2. The video of the new scan doesn't have the same coloring as 2011.

From the photos I've seen of the theater, it doesn't look like the screen is particularly large. A 2k dcp from the 1920:1080 lowry master would probably still hold up rather well on that size screen and get the "wow, amazing" reactions posted on facebook yesterday.

Yeah, it was always highly unlikely that a brand new 4k transfer of any version of Star Wars was gonna debut under such circumstances.

The footage in RMW's reel does appear to be from the new scan. There's also footage of True Lies and The Abyss, which we know got new transfers for their long-awaited blu-rays later this year. Maybe the respective companies didn't care one way or the other about RMW showing off their hard work using footage from their movies, even though it kinda/sorta "spoils" whatever grand unveiling they might want to do later on in the form of an actual trailer, tv commercial or whatnot.

Erikstormtrooper said:

How did they react to Ben's new call?

 It sort of felt like everyone was thinking "Holy shit, why is there a dying giraffe in the lobby and can someone make it stop?!" That rock, though. I was so sure it was '97 up til then. I had my suspicions, but I didn't want them to be true. The clarity was excellent, as it is on the blu-ray, but the details didn't pop like they do in Harmy's, and of course the colors were too unnatural.

I don't think they would go through the work of making a new scan just to recreate the blu ray SE; bad colors, rock in front of R2D2 and all. I really do think that they made the scan for an OOT, maybe i'm just being overly hopeful but I just highly doubt they'd make a new scan to remaster the SE only 3 years after it was released on blu ray