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AntcuFaalb said:

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I think one important thing to point out is that if people (in general) don't care about SE revisions, then they also wouldn't care about the lack of them. Disney must know this.

 An equal number don't know the movies have been changed at all.

It's funny. I wrote that post in support of an OUT release. People not caring about the lack of SE revisions, to me, indicates that they'd be fine with an OUT release, but I can see how my post could be taken differently.

 Disney has a unique opportunity to market the OUT if done right. "The Star Wars you grew up with" or something similar would speak to a large number of people, not just fans.

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SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

I think one important thing to point out is that if people (in general) don't care about SE revisions, then they also wouldn't care about the lack of them. Disney must know this.

 An equal number don't know the movies have been changed at all.

It's funny. I wrote that post in support of an OUT release. People not caring about the lack of SE revisions, to me, indicates that they'd be fine with an OUT release, but I can see how my post could be taken differently.

 Disney has a unique opportunity to market the OUT if done right. "The Star Wars you grew up with" or something similar would speak to a large number of people, not just fans.

Agreed. :-)

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SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

I think one important thing to point out is that if people (in general) don't care about SE revisions, then they also wouldn't care about the lack of them. Disney must know this.

 An equal number don't know the movies have been changed at all.

It's funny. I wrote that post in support of an OUT release. People not caring about the lack of SE revisions, to me, indicates that they'd be fine with an OUT release, but I can see how my post could be taken differently.

 Disney has a unique opportunity to market the OUT if done right. "The Star Wars you grew up with" or something similar would speak to a large number of people, not just fans.

 Definitely.

And if anyone can pull off marketing when it comes to re-releasing old films, it's Disney. I don't think it will be a problem at all.

Lets be honest, pretty much all they have to say is "Get it now before it goes into the vault!" lol.

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Adium said:

I shouldn't get my hopes up, but... is it happening? Finally?

If this does actually happen, Disney is going to charge out the ass for this, no doubt. I'm pretty sure they put out a Toy Story trilogy on Blu Ray for $100 a few years back.

The first ever Blu Ray release of the theatrical Star Wars trilogy? Probably the most highly demanded Blu Ray release of all time? I'd expect $150 - $200 for all three films, at least. Should be a fantastic set, at least. Disney does a great job with these kinds of things.

A release leading up to Episode VII would be amazing.

I bought the SE trilogy on Laserdisc box set at the time around 98 for £120....uk version wasn't even ac3 sound either

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Jaitea said:

Adium said:

I shouldn't get my hopes up, but... is it happening? Finally?

If this does actually happen, Disney is going to charge out the ass for this, no doubt. I'm pretty sure they put out a Toy Story trilogy on Blu Ray for $100 a few years back.

The first ever Blu Ray release of the theatrical Star Wars trilogy? Probably the most highly demanded Blu Ray release of all time? I'd expect $150 - $200 for all three films, at least. Should be a fantastic set, at least. Disney does a great job with these kinds of things.

A release leading up to Episode VII would be amazing.

I bought the SE trilogy on Laserdisc box set at the time around 98 for £120....uk version wasn't even ac3 sound either

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 Digging around, it looks like the Definitive Collection Laserdisc set retailed for $250 USD back in 1993. That's incredible. That's before inflation, too.

I have to imagine that wasn't for mainstream audiences. Does anyone know how well it sold? Was it considered a success back then?

Since then, the hardcore Star Wars community has only grown in size. I know I'd drop $250-$300 for an original, unaltered trilogy box set done right, but would Disney actually put something out with that kind of price tag today?

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Well, for me to pay this kind of money, it would really have to be a Blade Runner type deal with a flawless restoration of all the versions and a shit-ton of never before seen bonus material, including a detailed feature about the restoration.

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The laserdiscs were a bit different because the trilogy was available on vhs tape as well, but for an affordable price, so people were still able to buy the movies. I think Disney would realize that no one would pay 300 dollars for only 3 movies on blu ray, no matter how many features. I mean, the James Bond set was only 120 dollars and that had 23 films on it.

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100 or less is a more realistic price point, unless they pack the discs into a Death Star replica or something.

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That's what I was thinking, I bet there'll be a normal release for 65 dollars or so, and then there'll be some kind of expensive release that comes with some kind of extra toys or models or something for 100 dollars or more. The price also depends on whether or not it includes the prequels

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The prequels will be sold separately in a life size Jar Jar bust. ;)

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gizzy2000 said:

The laserdiscs were a bit different because the trilogy was available on vhs tape as well, but for an affordable price, so people were still able to buy the movies. I think Disney would realize that no one would pay 300 dollars for only 3 movies on blu ray, no matter how many features. I mean, the James Bond set was only 120 dollars and that had 23 films on it.

 Nightmare scenario:

The 2011 Blu Ray set is the affordable release.

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Adium said:

 Nightmare scenario:

The 2011 Blu Ray set is the affordable release.

 That would be terrible, but I really don't think they'd do that. The amount of people willing to shell out 200 dollars is a REALLY tiny amount of people, like less than 1% of the fans. Since they have to put the time into restoring the real movies, they'd want to sell them to as many people as possible.

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So wait, the GOUT doesn't have the original mix?

 Nope. It's the 1993 version of the movie with everything, including different colouring, darkening of some scenes, the horrible noise reduction and the 1993 stereo remix. The only "change" they done was a last minute change of the 1977 crawl to Star Wars, otherwise the movies are the 1993 versions

Especially bad is the coloring of ROTJ. There's no way that ROTJ was that sleep-inducing in 1983.

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That's why it's always funny to me when I hear some SE apologist make the argument that "only a small percentage of fans would buy it, most people are happy with the current release, etc."

People who say that should not be qualified as "SE apologist". I could be considered a SE apologist since I think 1997 SE did improve the films. However I still support the effort to restore and release OOT in good format.

Objecting and arguing against the release of OOT in good format does not classify as defending the SE... it is something completely different. It is defending Lucas in his effort to prevent restoration of OOT and trying to erase it from the history.

Correct. Even Jar Jar himself wouldn't oppose the release of the OOT in a good format.

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I also wondered, why would disney create a scan of the 1997 version and then go back and re-add all of the future changes (i.e. Vader saying "NOOOOOOOO" in Jedi)? They can't release the 97 version because CG Jabba looks laughably bad, but I also can't see them re-adding stupid things in like the rock in front of R2D2. I should also say that i'm really not too clear on exactly whats happening so if I missed something feel free to correct me.

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Basically, once we know what it is they're actually playing at Plaza Atlanta, we'll know more about if it is a product of a new scan of the '97 SE film.  But even the theater doesn't know EXACTLY what they have yet, as they can't unlock the DCP until tomorrow.

In short, though, there's possible evidence of a 4K scan having been done on some or all of the trilogy.  But all the changes done to the films since '97 have been done to an old scan, and none of that could possibly be used for a higher quality scan.  The only options to make a new scan would be to go to original non-SE elements or use the '97 SE film.  All of which predate the horrors that came from the original Lowery restoration.  So, if there is a new scan out there, it probably doesn't have anything more than what was put into the '97 SE, and it is unknown if anyone at Disney would see reason to bother putting ALL those silly changes after it back in from scratch.  All of this could usually be chalked up to crazy theories, but it is known that a new digital version of what is supposed to be the '97 SE is set to screen tomorrow at the anniversary of some historic theater.  So, we should know more very soon.

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That is true, but i've heard that you can tell by the colors that it is not the 2011 version or 2004 version.

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I had no idea DCP's were that restrictive. What if some crazy fluke occurred and the wrong movie was sent?

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Imagine all those people that paid 75 dollars to get in and they find themselves watching "The Next Karate Kid"

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gizzy2000 said:

That is true, but i've heard that you can tell by the colors that it is not the 2011 version or 2004 version.

 Not really, you can tell by the colors, that it is a new master- whether or not was the new master then conformed to the version seen on the BD is another question entirely.

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Imagine all those people that paid 75 dollars to get in and they find themselves watching "The Next Karate Kid"

Actually, I bet there are still a few people left that still think they are seeing the original cut. There were a bunch of people on the theaters Facebook page that wanted to make sure it was te original before they purchased tickets. The theater confirmed that it was indeed the original version. Then they later corrected themselves. 

And I actually watched the next karate kid 2 days ago...  True story. 

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gizzy2000 said:

They can't release the 97 version because CG Jabba looks laughably bad

1. "It looks bad" is the very logic that led GL to start his SE crusade.

2. The Jabba scene could easily be cut.

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But if they're cutting certain scenes and keeping others in order to make some kind of partial SE then no one would be happy. I don't think disney would do that

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From their Facebook page

WOW -- STAR WARS IV A NEW HOPE-(SPECIAL EDITION) WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THE FIRST 20 MIN OF THE FIRST EVER DIGITAL DCP PRINT !!!!

 

WOW-WOW-WOW

 

YOU ARE ALL IN FOR A BIG TREAT !!!!!

 

STUNNING PICTURE AND SOUND!