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pittrek said:

Octorox said:

Um, isn't the 81 version just the 77 version with the Episode IV crawl and a slightly different sound mix?

 Doesn't it have also different colouring? You know like the artificial darkening of the "R2 in the canyon" sequence, or the different colours of the binary sunset sequence ....

And the shot were the fighters take off to fight the Death Star was redone - I don't remember if it was for the 1978 mono mix version or for the 1981 version.

 The '81 re-release used '77 prints with the new crawl spliced in, so aside from the crawl and and the sunsequent flyover sequence, the '81 version should be 100% the original.

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If this release does happen, I don't mind if they keep some of the enhanced visuals (Cloud City, new shots in the Battle of Yavin, etc) but remove the story-related changes (Jabba in the original movie, Greedo shooting first, Hayden Christensen in ROTJ).

just a note, if Jedi Rocks isn't removed, the entire thing would almost not be worth buying...

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ComputerGeek said:

If this release does happen, I don't mind if they keep some of the enhanced visuals (Cloud City, new shots in the Battle of Yavin, etc) but remove the story-related changes (Jabba in the original movie, Greedo shooting first, Hayden Christensen in ROTJ).

just a note, if Jedi Rocks isn't removed, the entire thing would almost not be worth buying...

Yeah, maybe they should release a "do it yourself kit" so that everyone can finally watch their tailor made version of the film.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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ComputerGeek said:

If this release does happen, I don't mind if they keep some of the enhanced visuals (Cloud City, new shots in the Battle of Yavin, etc) but remove the story-related changes (Jabba in the original movie, Greedo shooting first, Hayden Christensen in ROTJ).

just a note, if Jedi Rocks isn't removed, the entire thing would almost not be worth buying...

No fixes, no alterations, no compromises. Only a proper restoration of the original (taking SW audio into account: one of the originals, ideally every version for the sake of completion).

People have waited long enough. And certainly paid much too much for poor quality releases over the years.

msycamore said:

Yeah, maybe they should release a "do it yourself kit" so that everyone can finally watch their tailor made version of the film.

That's something best left to the fans. They're already doing it.

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m_s0 said:

msycamore said:

Yeah, maybe they should release a "do it yourself kit" so that everyone can finally watch their tailor made version of the film.

That's something best left to the fans. They're already doing it.

I was being ironic.

We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions. 

Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com

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msycamore said:

m_s0 said:

msycamore said:

Yeah, maybe they should release a "do it yourself kit" so that everyone can finally watch their tailor made version of the film.

That's something best left to the fans. They're already doing it.

I was being ironic.

I know. I was being all serious and Rorschach-y, and didn't want to break character:

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I realize it's impossible to make a custom version (although it would be great). What I described is what the re-releases should have been - cleaned up, but with some enhanced visuals and possibly aesthetic changes.

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Yes, but this is the eternal debate here - who should determine which changes to make and which not to? It's a matter of taste and there can be a million different altered version based on a million different opinions, whereas the original version is just that, the original version.

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Harmy said:

Yes, but this is the eternal debate here - who should determine which changes to make and which not to? It's a matter of taste and there can be a million different altered version based on a million different opinions, whereas the original version is just that, the original version.

Point taken. I agree that the original is the best version, but if the SE is released again, hopefully the version which the most people are fine with is the one that is distributed

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ComputerGeek said:

Harmy said:

Yes, but this is the eternal debate here - who should determine which changes to make and which not to? It's a matter of taste and there can be a million different altered version based on a million different opinions, whereas the original version is just that, the original version.

Point taken. I agree that the original is the best version, but if the SE is released again, hopefully the version which the most people are fine with is the one that is distributed

 I don't think there is a version other than the original that we'd be happy with

Thats why we are all here OriginalTrilogy.com

If  a SE edit were to come out though Id say the 97 version would be the most useful for Harmy etc to make an Original from

I wonder how Ady feels about a much higher quality canvas to work from.....how will this effect ESB:R?

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The correct answer is to release every version, Blade Runner style. That way everyone is happy.

If Blade Runner can pull it off, so can Star Wars.

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Although the 97 version is probably the easiest film version for them to scan, it just makes no sense that they would re-release the 97 version as is. It's a weird, mostly-forgotten version. It only makes sense as part of a larger, Blade Runner style release.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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OOT is what will be released if there's a release.

There's a small chance that the 97 version could get a release too. I hate that version, but I cannot deny that it is a (shitty) piece of film history. It should get a release.

There's probably a zero percent chance the 2004 edition gets a Blu-ray release. And there's no point in putting out the 2011 version again.

I wouldn't bet on a new version of the SE. There are so many reasons why not. Let's first of all remember that none of the directors of the OT are in the picture any more, and usually when there's a new cut of a movie for home video they're involved. So who would be making the changes? What would be their goal? Would they get rid of some earlier changes? Let's not forget now that the people in charge now probably don't care at all for the SE. And Disney/LFL is on this OT train, and they must know that real lovers of the OT prefer the OOT and hate the SE with a passion. So they'd probably think (incorrectly) that OTers would not care for and possibly complain about a new SE.

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Good point(s), Mr. Cobb. Looking at incentives is worthwhile.

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Richard Marquand being dead didn't stop George from messing around with RotJ.

But honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney puts out a blu-ray set that's just a restoration of the unaltered OOT. I can't see anyone complaining about it except for those anxiously awaiting yet another revision, and they'll probably end up buying it anyway. Yes, Disney would probably jack up the price, but at least they wouldn't be forcing the OOT fans to pay for something they don't want.

Ideally, each individual movie would get its own multi-disc set and be an archive of all the theatrically released versions. And yes, I do think this 4K scan will be used to make George's final version of the I-VI saga for a 3D theatrical re-release (TPM's already been "finalized").

When we remember that the movies still don't have individual blu-ray releases (just the two trilogy sets), this starts to seem like more of a possibility. I think they know how strong the SE backlash is, though. That's why I doubt they'd bother including anything other than the "most recent" version (from this new 4k scan) because they know what people really want is the restored OOT.

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I think one important thing to point out is that if people (in general) don't care about SE revisions, then they also wouldn't care about the lack of them. Disney must know this.

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AntcuFaalb said:

I think one important thing to point out is that if people (in general) don't care about SE revisions, then they also wouldn't care about the lack of them. Disney must know this.

 Actually it would be their strongest selling point.

The "excitement" of picking up the latest re-release to see what else has changed has worn off.

Now all they have left is to throw out the triumphant return of the theatrical editions brilliantly restored for the first time on blu-ray to drive up sales.

This brings in the large segment of people who stopped purchasing because of the SE nonsense.

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Good point, Tobar. I hope Disney does the right thing.

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Tobar said:

AntcuFaalb said:

I think one important thing to point out is that if people (in general) don't care about SE revisions, then they also wouldn't care about the lack of them. Disney must know this.

 Actually it would be their strongest selling point.

The "excitement" of picking up the latest re-release to see what else has changed has worn off.

Now all they have left is to throw out the triumphant return of the theatrical editions brilliantly restored for the first time on blu-ray to drive up sales.

This brings in the large segment of people who stopped purchasing because of the SE nonsense.

 

That's why it's always funny to me when I hear some SE apologist make the argument that "only a small percentage of fans would buy it, most people are happy with the current release, etc."  We all know that a lot of people who purchased the 2011 BD will still purchase an OT release - especially if it's from a new 4k scan.  SW fans will always buy the latest, greatest video release as we have seen since the VHS days. 

It just makes too much sense to do this next fall leading up to EP VII.  It's a no-brainer to us.  Now, do the Disney execs share this mentality?  I have no clue.  I've got to assume that they know a proper OT release would make money.  I'm still holding out hope.

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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While I highly doubt GL cares one way or the other about the OOT anymore (I would certainly hope 4 Billion dollars was enough for him to get over his hang-ups about it), I would also think he'd want both versions out there in equal quality, or at least have the SE out there in higher quality.

That's why I don't think this new 4k job is for anything other than the SE.

Could they use it to restore the OOT as well? Maybe, but I'd hope in that scenario that they would know exactly what they're doing.

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Cobra Kai said:

That's why it's always funny to me when I hear some SE apologist make the argument that "only a small percentage of fans would buy it, most people are happy with the current release, etc."

People who say that should not be qualified as "SE apologist". I could be considered a SE apologist since I think 1997 SE did improve the films. However I still support the effort to restore and release OOT in good format.

Objecting and arguing against the release of OOT in good format does not classify as defending the SE... it is something completely different. It is defending Lucas in his effort to prevent restoration of OOT and trying to erase it from the history.

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AntcuFaalb said:

I think one important thing to point out is that if people (in general) don't care about SE revisions, then they also wouldn't care about the lack of them. Disney must know this.

 An equal number don't know the movies have been changed at all.

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Where were you in '77?

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I shouldn't get my hopes up, but... is it happening? Finally?

If this does actually happen, Disney is going to charge out the ass for this, no doubt. I'm pretty sure they put out a Toy Story trilogy on Blu Ray for $100 a few years back.

The first ever Blu Ray release of the theatrical Star Wars trilogy? Probably the most highly demanded Blu Ray release of all time? I'd expect $150 - $200 for all three films, at least. Should be a fantastic set, at least. Disney does a great job with these kinds of things.

A release leading up to Episode VII would be amazing.

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SilverWook said:

AntcuFaalb said:

I think one important thing to point out is that if people (in general) don't care about SE revisions, then they also wouldn't care about the lack of them. Disney must know this.

 An equal number don't know the movies have been changed at all.

It's funny. I wrote that post in support of an OUT release. People not caring about the lack of SE revisions, to me, indicates that they'd be fine with an OUT release, but I can see how my post could be taken differently.

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All they'd need would be a bit of clever marketing to play on the nostalgia string and most of those who don't know or care about the changes will get to know and start caring.