The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 41

What I always disliked most about the CGI Jabba in ANH was that he moved. It seems in ROTJ like he's become so fat that he has to remain in place. Also, it's nice to save him for the final film.

timdiggerm said:

ROTJ:R is gonna take forever

 That's the spirit! 

There is no way  Adywan can save the prequels or restore the magical feeling Star Wars gave me in the original. No point for Adywan to redo the prequels If the next 3 Disney movies are good and do well, maybe they (Disney) should go back and "reboot" the last 3 films and do them right, with a major rewrite and designate the current failure of 3 films to the annals of botched movie history. 

The biggest failure was George Lucas. Writing and directing 3 steaming piles of rubbish.The prequels are nothing more than three  2½ hour commercials of how Lucas he can make special effects and cheese more important than conveying a powerful story. Only In hands of a better director, with corrections by a real writer. 

The only good thing and worth saving was maul.They would need to reboot but keep a few things similar. Now I think about it....just keep Maul really. And make him live longer.

If the next 3 movies are good, no one will want to hear about the preludes or care about them especially when we'll get Luke, Leia and Han back! Probably even get to see Luke go down on leia this time ! 

If the next 3 starwars are as bad as the prequels Adywan will have 6 pointless edits to do.  No-one fix those lines or edit in better acting. No-one could have performed those lines well. The story was an abomination.

Even Natalie was terrible. Only a master such as Ian MacDiarmid saved his role.

ladyboyz said:

There is no way  Adywan can save the prequels or restore the magical feeling Star Wars gave me in the original. No point for Adywan to redo the prequels If the next 3 Disney movies are good and do well, maybe they (Disney) should go back and "reboot" the last 3 films and do them right, with a major rewrite and designate the current failure of 3 films to the annals of botched movie history. 

The biggest failure was George Lucas. Writing and directing 3 steaming piles of rubbish.The prequels are nothing more than three  2½ hour commercials of how Lucas he can make special effects and cheese more important than conveying a powerful story. Only In hands of a better director, with corrections by a real writer. 

The only good thing and worth saving was maul.They would need to reboot but keep a few things similar. Now I think about it....just keep Maul really. And make him live longer.

If the next 3 movies are good, no one will want to hear about the preludes or care about them especially when we'll get Luke, Leia and Han back! Probably even get to see Luke go down on leia this time ! 

If the next 3 starwars are as bad as the prequels Adywan will have 6 pointless edits to do.  No-one fix those lines or edit in better acting. No-one could have performed those lines well. The story was an abomination.

Even Natalie was terrible. Only a master such as Ian MacDiarmid saved his role.

There is no way? Without knowing Adywan's plans I think that's a bit presumptuous. I'm not trying to be rude, but quite frankly I think this is a bit off-putting. If I was putting an enormous amount of work into something for absolutely nothing monetarily speaking, then your statement would be the last thing I would want to read. I don't know you, but coming from a production background I can tell you that statements like that are just horribly dissuasive and the opposite of productive.

I more or less agree with your thoughts on George Lucas.

Also,  saying that after the next 3 Disney SW films come no one will care about the prequels is not true for many people including myself. I'm very excited about the new films, but I still want my proper prequel films. Many like myself dreamt about what the Clone Wars looked at when we were kids, and got incredibly excited when we were finally getting to see the official vision, and then been horribly let down when they turned out the way they did. Yes, art is subjective, but these films were bad from a structure point of view, when the classic films (from a structure point of view) were flawless. It was disregard for what was made so far that made me and so many upset.

Anyway, just tossing this out there and seeing what sticks.

ladyboyz said:

There is no way  Adywan can save the prequels or restore the magical feeling Star Wars gave me in the original. No point for Adywan to redo the prequels If the next 3 Disney movies are good and do well, maybe they (Disney) should go back and "reboot" the last 3 films and do them right, with a major rewrite and designate the current failure of 3 films to the annals of botched movie history. 

The biggest failure was George Lucas. Writing and directing 3 steaming piles of rubbish.The prequels are nothing more than three  2½ hour commercials of how Lucas he can make special effects and cheese more important than conveying a powerful story. Only In hands of a better director, with corrections by a real writer. 

The only good thing and worth saving was maul.They would need to reboot but keep a few things similar. Now I think about it....just keep Maul really. And make him live longer.

If the next 3 movies are good, no one will want to hear about the preludes or care about them especially when we'll get Luke, Leia and Han back! Probably even get to see Luke go down on leia this time ! 

If the next 3 starwars are as bad as the prequels Adywan will have 6 pointless edits to do.  No-one fix those lines or edit in better acting. No-one could have performed those lines well. The story was an abomination.

Even Natalie was terrible. Only a master such as Ian MacDiarmid saved his role.

 ^ TSSTR

I think the challenge of salvaging something from the existing PT is all of it's charm.

As I have said before the first two Revisited projects were largely changes in presentation. There are continuity fixes and SE nonsense fixes and additions made by Ady to the visual frame but the basic story structure is the same and rightfully so as the first two films were almost perfect at the time of their release.

ROTJ and the PT allow for more scope to actually build story. In many ways Ady and the team are allowed more freedom while re-sculpting the PT because the interested audience are not as attached to the material in it's current form.

They can change anything. ROTJ is a bit more problematic as while it's a weaker film, compared to the rest of the OT, bold changes will have to compete with the nostalgic attachment some people have to aspects of the film.

The PT:R films are the ones I'm most looking forward to because in their existing form they are the least functional in terms of story.

As someone who's battled with fixing the prequels in my own edits, I can see where the cynicism comes from. They are improveable (mainly by making them shorter and cutting lots of the crap) but they are not fixable just by trimming a scene here, changing the order there, etc.

But we already know that Adywan's versions are not going to be straightforward re-edits. We have no idea how ambitious his Prequels will be, but from the snippets we've actually been told, it's going to be a complete deconstruction and then reconstruction to make a coherent story where there wasn't one before.

There is bound to be redubbing. I simply can't see any other way around the shitty dialogue and character motivations in the prequels. It's unsalvageable. At least a couple of characters need to be given new lines in cutaways so redubbing with new voice acting talent would be the only way to go.

We already know he's filming new footage with existing characters. (Threepio and maybe others, who knows?)

He has heavily hinted that a certain Grand Moff will appear, so he's adding new actors too, possibly with dialogue.

It's safe to assume there will be substantial miniature work. Maybe even new motion-control or CG space battles.

The point is, I don't know how anyone can make an assertion about it being impossible after knowing all that. We have no idea how much of the original films will  even be left when he's done!

It's got pretty quiet around here......

So.....what if Ady is somehow able to scrap the final battle with Obi and have Anakin "die" in some other way. Whatever way this is it would have to lead to a behind-the-scenes armour swap and we'd have to be already familiar with A "Darth Vader" so we don't suddenly think "who's this new guy?......wait a minute......"

I'm really not a fan of keeping Anakin falling to the dark side and then "dying". I think it should be a surprise for the viewer that this guy from the prequels could have EVER turned evil, let alone that he's still alive and is Darth Vader. I know that in eliminating the lava duel, there's no explanation for his burn scars in ROTJ, but I guess that could be explained in the new manner in which he "dies".

Here is my new favourite idea. Kinda similar to my last one but the setting has changed and we have more existing footage to work with. Replace Obi Wan on Mustafar. Somehow have Anakin (still good) fight Vader instead. (Under the armour, he would be a rebuilt Maul, and it would be made clear in whatever episode Obi fights him that he is Obi Wan's old failed apprentice). This actually covers everything. We have Anakin already telling Padme that Palpatine is sending him on an important mission. What if it's to kill Vader on Mustafar?

After fighting a while, with Anakin clearly in a rage (already got that) both tumble off the edge of a lava flow and that's the last we see of them until we see Vader walking around as normal back on Coruscant and we " realise" it's Anakin that apparently died. We then already have footage of Obi Wan on Mustafar picking up Anakin's saber. He could look down at a burnt corpse. What the audience would think is that Obi is mourning his friend. What he would actually be doing is lamenting that Anakin has replaced Vader. It is not Anakin's body but that of his old apprentice.

No need for padme to come anywhere near Mustafar anymore or get choked. She can just have her babies and be understandably heartbroken.

The imagery of Vader wreathed in flame and smoke, fighting Anakin is pretty threatening and exciting to me on a purely visual level but also when you compare it to a phoenix being reborn from the ashes, it's doubly effective. Let's get some meaningful metaphors into these mindless films!

Obi's apprentice betraying the jedi and "murdering" Anakin - check

Anakin a good person - check

Anakin burned - check

Obi picks up his lightsaber - check

Obi knows he's replaced vader but the audience doesn't - check

Please feel free to point out any loose ends.

I've given my own different ideas previously about how the "death" and subsequent unseen swap should take place. I'm interested in what other people might have in mind.

The Sandpeople massacre would have worked better if Anakin confessed it to Palpatine not Padme and kept it as his dirty secret shame instead of his marriage.

Padme is a really weird chick falling for a child murderer and all...dig?

Bingowings said:

The Sandpeople massacre would have worked better if confessed it to Palpatine not Padme and kept it as his dirty secret shame instead of his marriage.

Padme is a really weird chick falling for a child murderer and all...dig?

 yup

nightstalkerpoet said:

I just wish that we had a film where for the duration, Anakin was a skilled, devoted Jedi. 

 I could totally go for that, as long as he was shown as having some curiosity about certain things the Jedi preferred to leave untouched.....maybe right at the end of the film. Just a very light foreshadowing of him being "seduced by the dark side of the Force".

These aren't total remakes so I think the best that can be done is to have Anakin return with his mother but be haunted by nightmares of a cloaked figure killing the sandpeople.

Cut out the confession to Padme but drop in Palpatine's line about revenge in ROTS and have Anakin seem shocked that the Chancellor knows about his nightmares (that would be a could place to shift Anakin's "What!" from the council meeting).

The only way to make this Anakin redeemable in my view is to have him suffering from mental illness due to badly managed grief and by the time he knows what he has done he has already lost everything he loves.

Make him a tragic enough figure and you can even forgive him killing children.

This is my first post. I apologize for the stream of consciousness style of my proposal. From what I have witnessed of Adywans work, I believe that majority of these ideas are achievable. These are my thoughts on what I believe should be the first act of Episode II. I'm currently working on Act II. 

STAR WARS: EPISODE II

THE MISSING PLANET

ACT 1

The rule of the Galactic Senate is under threat. Former Jedi Master Count Dooku has rallied several thousand star systems with the intention of declaring war on the Republic.

Despite the protests of many in the Senate the Supreme Chancellor has commissioned the creation of a CLONE ARMY to aide to aid the limited number of Jedi Knights in this time of unrest.

As Senator Amidala prepares to embark for the capitol, Obi-Wan Kenobi journeys to the clone facilities of Kamino, leaving his apprentice Anakin Skywalker to protect the former Queen of Naboo…

PAN DOWN

Obi-Wan’s star fighter arrives at Kamino. Several Republic Star Destroyers orbit the planet. Obi-Wan is asked to identify himself, which he does. He’s instructed to land.

The first meeting in Palpatine’s Office, at the beginning of the scene add a hologram recording of Dooku on the desk. “It’s time to start over” using dialogue and footage from deleted scene.  Finish with hologram informing Palpatine and the Jedi that Obi-Wan has made contact with Kamino.

Obi-Wan meets Lama Su then straight to the inspection of the clones. If possible change the décor of Kamino to give it a more OT Imperial look. Imperial looking non-clone officers walking around.

Naboo, Padme’s star ship sits on a landing platform on the lake near her villa. I believe there is concept art of this. Artoo and Threepio fill us in on any necessary exposition.

Anakin stands on the verandah, overlooking the lake/ ship. Padme appears, this scene plays out with some obvious cuts. “Jedi don’t have nightmares” and “I’ll come with you.” Anakin decides to abandon his posts as Padme’s protector in order to rescue his mother.

Obi-Wan meets Jango (helmeted always). No discussion of Coruscant.

Anakin arrives on Tatooine at the Lars Homestead in his star fighter. Re-dub protocol droid   (use original idea of sleazy car salesman Threepio?) Meets Owen, Beru (who will need to be re-filmed) and Cliegg Lars. Learns of his mothers death (not missing). Owen participates more in the conversation. Replace Padme’s close up with ones of Beru. From discussion to Funeral, no dialogue from Anakin.

Senator Amidala arrives on Coruscant and her ship explodes. Add Threepio to the group walking down the ramp. Decoy dies.

Obi-Wan reports to the old folks home about a bounty hunter being the source of the clones. Mace Windu “Where is your apprentice?” Obi-Wan “On Naboo. Escorting Senator Amidala,” using dialogue from later in the film Mace and Yoda exchange a worried glance.

The Lars homestead, we hear Owen’s voice calling out for Anakin. He is no where in the homestead, not the garage, kitchen or courtyard. Owen Lars stands scanning the horizon with his binoculars.

Extended montage of Anakin searching through the desert. No duel of fates. Something closer to Padme’s ruminations.  Anakin meets the Jawa’s at the sandcrawler (possibly my favourite shot of the prequels) He then comes across a moisture farm in flames. He kneels down and inspects the bantha tracks.

Anakin, hood up, approaches the Tusken Camp he ignites his light saber  (New footage, the obvious back lot of the Tusken camp, and the shot of Anakin jumping off the cliff face are atrocious.)  The sound of the howling Tuskens echoing off canyon walls turns into that of-

Obi-Wan’s starfighter engines traveling through hyperspace. Use footage from Asteroid chase where Obi-Wan looks concerned, only now he is concerned with a disturbance in the force. He aks R4 to contact Anakin. He’s out of range. Obi-Wan ponders this. We hear some dialogue of Qui-Gon saying Obi-Wan’s name. “Qui-Gon?” Obi-Wan asks r4 to if they are picking up any transmissions (not sure how yet). R4 replies negative. Obi-Wan “Curious.” The star fighter continues through hyperspace.

Owen, Beru and Cliegg watch as Anakin’s star fighter lifts off into the sky. Owen looks concerned. Beru “What is it?” Owen “I’m not sure.” Anakins star fighter disappears into the heavens. Owen walks across to his speeder.Beru "Where are you going?" Owen “The Toschi Station.” Don’t be too long. I won’t. 

Anakin’s star fighter docks with its hyper ring, Anakin looks out into space. Silence. The ship makes the jump into hyperspace.

Owen stands overlooking the slaughtered Tusken camp. The bodies of Tusken men woman and children litter the landscape. 

Here's my suggestion for a ANH:R HD change. Fair warning, it's not for you purists:

So it's like a common joke/plot hole about the Imperials not firing on the escape pod at the start of the movie, right? Well, what if they did? And what if they fired at a shitload of them as more rebels try to escape and the droids manage to land on Tatooine out of sheer luck of avoiding a hail of turbo laser flack?

How it could be done just using effects like Ady does (I'm using Ady's comparison images as they are the easiest to get hold of to illustrate my point:

1.

Instead of just one pod shooting towards the lower screen, we see multiple ones firing off in all different lower directions.

2.


Either cut the dialogue or nix the scene entirely (Note: if keeping it, just have the dialogue 'there goes another one', show more pods and some turbo laser fire in the viewer, then cut)

3.



At this point show multiple turbo laser fire and flak bursts outside the pod. More pods if there's room, but it may look a little cramped then.

4.

Again, at this point show more turbo laser fire coming from behind camera and more pods trying to make it to the planet surface.

5.

Not strictly needed, but may want to look at this scene in light of the above changes, perhaps nix it entirely or change its place in the movie. Or, just leave it. Everything still works.

Obivously, if Ady went this route, he may decide to do an additional miniature/effects shot that shows an expanded view of the Star Destroyer firing at the pods as they jettison which wouldn't be out of place.

The net affect of this change is:

a) No more weird plot hole. Possibly the most cited  plot hole in Star Wars history.

b) It makes the Empire's search and occupation of Tatooine feel more sinister and tense, as you can assume they are tracking down multiple rebel escapees to kill and looking for the Death Star plans, rather than just stumbling onto Jawas at their appointed time. They seem less bumbling/lucky. Also, there's no real reason in the original why they wouldn't be able to track that single 'no life form pod' all the way to the surface far faster than the droids would've been able to clear the area. Now, there is, as they have multiple pods and locations to check.

Bingowings said:

The only way to make this Anakin redeemable in my view is to have him suffering from mental illness due to badly managed grief and by the time he knows what he has done he has already lost everything he loves.

Make him a tragic enough figure and you can even forgive him killing children.

Lucas set up an order where anakin fell because he was too human. GL wanted the jedi order to be morally more than humans, he didn't want them to commit to anybody, nor to help or show compassion, not even to marry. 

While the Jedi keep this rigid behaviour,  the galaxy is in order. But then comes Anakin, who acts like a normal person, chooses his wife over his duty, and so he falls (and the republic falls) because of their forbidden love. Cleary it is wrong for him to be and act just as a common folk would.That's his tragedy, he was forced to be more than what he was and the Jedi have misunderstood the prophecy all along (if in these edits there even is a prophecy)

Now take LOTR. The ultimate success in Frodo's mission comes from love under the form of pity, because he spared Gollum's life, because Faramir let Frodo go when he wasn't supposed to, etc. In a general way, we are culturally trained) to identify ourselves with characters that show human scale while heroes are determined, heroes have goals of grandeur and stay on their path. Characters we all like with are the ones that are set in a path that wasn't theirs, and solve things the best they can (Han solo, anyone?)

I'd pity Anakin and support his redemption if he obbeyed the Council and let his mother die by staying in Naboo . I'd understand his fall if after being constantly forced to pospone his individual interests for the "greater good" he found mace windu trying to kill Palpatine, thus showing that the Jedi don't always act as the rules say.

I believe I'd love an arc where the true responsible for Anakin's fall is the military morale of the Jedi Order and not Palpatine. I'd want to give more meaning to Yoda's pacifism, perhaps he's learnt something based on what happened.

Besides, the "perfect soldier" Anakin is a more similar persona to Vader than whiny Anakin is, and I totally see and comprehend Padme, the young rebel woman trapped by the formality of monarchy, confined in his own planet in AOTC, fall in love with the caring son confined by his vow and his duty.

It's key to my understanding of how to improve the movies that Anakin should never go to Tattoine, except at the end of the movie, when it's too late, and he cries, and bitches about Obiwan with all the right in the world. And Padme says it's right to be angry.

We just see shmi's body, no need of the Tuskens, and same effect

The PT galaxy is pretty funked up before Anakin is even born.

Still, inflexibility and workholism are not virtues. Vader's severity hasn't proved to be better than the Rebel's guerrillas.

And Luke didn't make more mess going to Bespin than what would have happened had he let his friends die.

Luke proves the force isn't about "letting go". And "letting go" is what ultimately would have driven Anakin to becoming Vader.

metalmunki said:

Here's my suggestion for a ANH:R HD change. Fair warning, it's not for you purists:

Hi. This guy here works in A New Hope, without minding purist material or stay faithful to original. http://aggeiw.deviantart.com/