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Ironic.

which means we will get the OT in 4K someday ;-)

Well at least now we know the versions disney will be releasing for the 50th anniversary celebration :) for once it will be countless fans across the world applauding in glee while post 80s George Lucas is cringing in disgust rather than the other way around

adywan said:

iamweasel said:

I believe the original movies will never be available in larger formats. If they do, it wouldn't be worth to have them. To have good 4k/3D movies, you have to make the movie in these formats. And the original trilogy wasn't made that way.

 

 The original unaltered trilogy was filmed on 35mm film which means it CAN be be rescanned and released in perfect 4k and even higher.

It's funny that the unaltered versions are the only Star Wars films that can ever be released in true 4k. The special editions and TPM, although these were shot on 35mm film, the effects work was only done @ 2k. TPM only has a digital master which was used for the blu-rays and was digitized at  2k. The other 2 prequels were shot on digital and are stuck at 1080p/2k forever. So much for George pushing technology. He has doomed his "perfect vision" to what will become an obsolete format, while the versions he wanted to bury are the only ones that survive the next generation.

Who knows, maybe a technology will come along that can do a decent job of up-converting stuff. (doubtful) Thing is, the visual information required for anything close to 35MM simply isn't there at all.

Such a shame. Preservation aside, the PT would have at least looked better at 35mm. TPM is the only one visually close due to it being the last entry shot 35mm. I didn't know about the effects work being done only @ 2k. I always wondered why all the CG didn't blend or was spotty but I just chalked it up to being an older movie.

adywan said:

iamweasel said:

I believe the original movies will never be available in larger formats. If they do, it wouldn't be worth to have them. To have good 4k/3D movies, you have to make the movie in these formats. And the original trilogy wasn't made that way.

 

 The original unaltered trilogy was filmed on 35mm film which means it CAN be be rescanned and released in perfect 4k and even higher.

It's funny that the unaltered versions are the only Star Wars films that can ever be released in true 4k. The special editions and TPM, although these were shot on 35mm film, the effects work was only done @ 2k. TPM only has a digital master which was used for the blu-rays and was digitized at  2k. The other 2 prequels were shot on digital and are stuck at 1080p/2k forever. So much for George pushing technology. He has doomed his "perfect vision" to what will become an obsolete format, while the versions he wanted to bury are the only ones that survive the next generation.

Reading Adywan's information about the 35 mm film which was used in GOUT and reading again what I said, I think I need to rewrite to make it clear what I said.

Of course the original films can be released in 4k or higher resolutions, and that would be done (if they really want to do it) even if the 35 mm film couldn't support a 4k (or higher) resolution with the quality people would expect to find. Money is the word here, and we all know that they will milk that cow (GOUT) as much as they can.

But as I said before, I don't think it would be worth it. Converting a 2D movie to 3D isn't the same as shooting in 3D and we all know by now that they aren't good at enhancing the movies (they only make them worse). Maybe Disney would be able to do a better work than George did (they can't do worse than he did with the special editions), but I doubt that (Ok, if they hire Adywan and his friends I start to believe Disney will do a good work. :) ). And if they decide to release the same Blu-ray we bought in 4K... I don't believe the average consumer will want to buy *AGAIN* the same movies they already bought in VHS, than bought again in DVD, and bought one more time in BD. I know I wouldn't. Even if we believe that everyone in this forum will buy a blue tint special edition classic trilogy in 4 K, I believe they need more consumers to consider another release.   

OUT has never been released on Blu-ray indeed GOUT is just the transfer made for the laser disc set so you could say it's not even been on DVD.

The number of people too young to have paid for the Betamax versions and even the GOUT is rising.

So I think there is more of a market for OUT in HD than any SE or PT set.

iamweasel said:

But as I said before, I don't think it would be worth it. Converting a 2D movie to 3D isn't the same as shooting in 3D and we all know by now that they aren't good at enhancing the movies (they only make them worse). Maybe Disney would be able to do a better work than George did (they can't do worse than he did with the special editions), but I doubt that (Ok, if they hire Adywan and his friends I start to believe Disney will do a good work. :) ). And if they decide to release the same Blu-ray we bought in 4K... I don't believe the average consumer will want to buy *AGAIN* the same movies they already bought in VHS, than bought again in DVD, and bought one more time in BD. I know I wouldn't. Even if we believe that everyone in this forum will buy a blue tint special edition classic trilogy in 4 K, I believe they need more consumers to consider another release.   

 I really hope they release the OUT in 4k someday, and I don't care for "3D", or a rehash of the SE ... ok maybe if the PT was restored (aka recut) for a newly print I would be interested

and as a fan I got the OT in about 5 different versions by today ;-)

(not counting the fan edits!)

Markstar said:

Am I the only one who would have been happy with Ady's excellent color correction and fixing the top 10 most obvious errors?

Clearly the finished edition will be a work of art and it is already very impressive, but looking at the previous "flap" sample I wonder if this isn't too much effort and too high a cost for such "little" effect.

As a programmer I can easily relate how, when you have a project, you find more and more things to fix and more and more detail to add. But there comes the point when you just have to say "that's it" and find a reasonable balance.

Especially when you are working alone on that kind of project. Adywan is getting outpaced by technology. This thing started with DVD format and by now we have seen the introduction of 720, 1080, 3D and now 4k. Don't get me wrong, I'm still find with a good DVD quality movie on our 46" and will be grateful for whatever Adywan is going to release whenever he sees fit. All I'm saying there is merit in having a schedule that doesn't span a decade.

 Concerning stuff like the flaps, I think what we have to bear in mind is that, from Ady's point of view, he's trying to finish them in such a way that he never has to come back to them. He's already fallen into that trap with ANH:R. So while it might seem like overkill, he's probably just ensuring his work stands the test of time.

The technology stuff isn't really a factor, as it's a battle without an end when you think about it.

(Does it take anyone else a long time after clicking "reply with quote" for the page to load? It's seems like it's always been very slow for me. Too slow to wait this time.)

iamweasel, why u trollin. You're at originaltrilogy.com arguing that it isn't worth restoring the OUT at 4K because a) it wouldn't look very good, and b) not enough people would buy it. Them's fightin words, son.

Scanning a 35mm film print for a 4K digital intermediate is not really anything like converting 2D to 3D. You think a film has to be shot in 4K to be 4K, and that also isn't true. Even though 35mm film is just shy of 4K, you have to scan the print at 8K to properly resolve the grain and produce an accurate 4K DI. The OUT would look fantastic given a proper 4K restoration, like the recent Lawrence of Arabia blu-ray. Enough people would buy it to make it worthwhile financially. And they could use some good will points heading into this sequel trilogy gamble.

But seriously, the ESB:R page is nowhere to bring this "not worth it" idea.

asterisk8 said:

(Does it take anyone else a long time after clicking "reply with quote" for the page to load? It's seems like it's always been very slow for me. Too slow to wait this time.)

 Had been like that for me for a couple of months....only just stopped doing it yesterday.....so now it loads more or less like any normal page should...maybe just a bit slower.

Bingowings said:

OUT has never been released on Blu-ray indeed GOUT is just the transfer made for the laser disc set so you could say it's not even been on DVD.

The number of people too young to have paid for the Betamax versions and even the GOUT is rising.

So I think there is more of a market for OUT in HD than any SE or PT set.

That's true, but most people outside of this forum don't know the difference between the special editions released in blu-ray and the OUT, so to them it was the original trilogy that was released in blu-ray. I don't think they will buy the same movie again (even if it's the OUT). And I'm not even saying that it probably won't be the OUT to be released in 4k, since up until now we don't have the OUT in Blu-ray...  It will probably be (unfortunately) the same blue tint special edition we have now...

asterisk8 said:

(Does it take anyone else a long time after clicking "reply with quote" for the page to load? It's seems like it's always been very slow for me. Too slow to wait this time.)

iamweasel, why u trollin. You're at originaltrilogy.com arguing that it isn't worth restoring the OUT at 4K because a) it wouldn't look very good, and b) not enough people would buy it. Them's fightin words, son.

Scanning a 35mm film print for a 4K digital intermediate is not really anything like converting 2D to 3D. You think a film has to be shot in 4K to be 4K, and that also isn't true. Even though 35mm film is just shy of 4K, you have to scan the print at 8K to properly resolve the grain and produce an accurate 4K DI. The OUT would look fantastic given a proper 4K restoration, like the recent Lawrence of Arabia blu-ray. Enough people would buy it to make it worthwhile financially. And they could use some good will points heading into this sequel trilogy gamble.

But seriously, the ESB:R page is nowhere to bring this "not worth it" idea.

 There's no trolling here. Maybe you should read again what I said. Of course it is worth for me, for you and for everyone here to have the OUT in every format we can think of. But it was not worth for George Lucas (and now maybe Disney) to have the OUT released in Blu-ray. And worth here means money, the only thing that they care. They don't have the love and care we have for these movies.

Do you think that they don't know that people that care for the OUT exists? Of course they do! They simply don't think there are enough of us out there to justify releasing the OUT in Blu-rays, 4k or whatever format they come up with.

Hell, if they cared for what we think here, they would not only released the OUT in blu-ray, but at this moment Adywan and his friends would be Disney's employees working on the definitive special edition of the entire Star Wars saga! :) 

Another Star Wars Blu-ray release would make money to justify its creation even if no one knows what version's on it. Knowledge that the OOT is on it in 4K could only add to that.

The only reason it hasn't happened is because, pre 2012, Lucas was in charge of things. I suppose now the hurdle is that 20th Century Fox owns the films but Disney owns Star Wars. Don't think they haven't talked about this, though. And whether or not the OOT is included (and at this point I don't see why it wouldn't be), you can probably bet on a new set of Star Wars Blu-rays in Q4 of 2015.

thinking of the many versions of movies that are released nowadays it makes me wonder ... why couldn't there be a "theatre cut" of Star Wars ?

WB, Sony and co throw thousands of copies out, so it must be a big market for every movie edition - it was just Lucas who didn't care anymore

brimforge said:

thinking of the many versions of movies that are released nowadays it makes me wonder ... why couldn't there be a "theatre cut" of Star Wars ?

WB, Sony and co throw thousands of copies out, so it must be a big market for every movie edition - it was just Lucas who didn't care anymore

On the contrary, Lucas cares... he cares too much. But it's not US he cares about. It's about preserving his precious "true vision". Most studios would leap at the chance to give us a set with both the OUT and the SE, knowing fans of either would buy it, but not George. No, we need to erase the OUT from existence (like Marty McFly's brother).

I've heard him claim that the OUT was destroyed because he had to cut the original negatives apart to create the SE. I also recall reading (can't remember the source) that Disney bought the rights to the ST and all the merchandising for the franchise, but George maintained the rights to the currently completed films. Unfortunately (and just to keep this on topic), this will mean the source material for fan editors and preservationists will continue to be difficult thanks to George's ego.

Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney, only "Episode IV" remains in the hands of Fox for a limited time until all is hopefully in one basket and to be released as it should be ...

GL changed his view(s) many times - telling how he wants to "reserve" art and such, but did he preserve "his" (or the work of his colleagues?)

nope, he is done (for the most part) with SW - only being int the background, where he should have been for the last 20 years ...

so until mentioned "cleanup", we as fans have this and other forums to get what the "maker" withheld from us ;-)

This is astonishingly off topic now...we have entire boards for this sort of duty (preservation, campaign and SEvsOUT boards).

This thread is about Ewoks and adding green lasers to AT-ATs okay?

The original trilogy's negative was indeed cut and put back together as the 1997 SE. But the original footage remains untouched in numerous transfers.

So I think that, although it may take years, disney will eventually create a new master transfer from those.

Love the Flaps Adywan!

I was watching the new clip and recalled the discussion about fixing the cockpit so the lasers from the Snowspeeder were not seen through the solid walls. I was thinking about the lasers themselves, their location is wrong in the original footage. We shouldn't see the lasers on the sides of the cockpit. The guns on the snowspeeder are mounted at the front and not the back, as the shot implies. In addition to the transparent cockpit fix (the red light pulse near the red button on the right of the screen), the lasers shouldn't be visible through the side windows.

asterisk8 said:

(Does it take anyone else a long time after clicking "reply with quote" for the page to load? It's seems like it's always been very slow for me. Too slow to wait this time.)

It's always been like that in this thread for me, just like for other long threads here (like the politics thread).