The Vaultbreakers Collection - Disney Preservations — Page 13

Color me interested in the WIP version, AntcuFaalb. I don't know how different it is from what was featured on the Diamond Edition, though.

OmegaMattman I think the best route for B&TB is to go to a public tracker like TPB or something. Dunno. I never did end up PMing walkingdork, though. I'm still surprised that got taken down.

There are several so called open trackers.  It means they aren't tied to any website.  If you build the .torrent file indicating one of those sites, they will accept and track the torrent without question (or the need to notify/upload anything).

Then you simply send the .torrent to those you want to allow to get on board.

The down side is unlike a site like MySpleen, people won't know it exists to join in later.

The upside is that it's more exclusive.

bkev said:

Bump.  Just curious to see if anyone has taken a stab at color correcting the Sleeping Beauty blu-ray.  The quality in of itself is supposed to be phenomenal, but the color pallet not as much.  I'd love to see the movie looking as pristine as possible while also maintaining the original color scheme.  

The main reason I'd be curious as to this rather than watching the previous DVD is the aspect ratio.

I've long wanted to do this. Especially after talking to Ron Dias about how off some of the colors are (to be fair, it was a brief conversation, so I never got which release was supposed to be right, or at least close). He said a big issue was them ignoring the color tests and using the cels as source. Trouble is that i have no idea how to tackle this nor which version to base it on. Always have wondered if Ron could be of assistance on that since his contact info is on his website.

The added footage really helps open up and balance the film, and while I love grain, it looks marvelous outside those issues.

Most of the Disney films need major color fixing from Alice in Wonderland and The Little Mermaid to the travesty of the recent Cinderella BD.

I remember helping on the Doctor M Little Mermaid. Never did get a copy of that though.

I never did color correct Little Mermaid.  I just matched the one second to the new DVD color palette.

I did see Little Mermaid in theaters, but I couldn't tell you which was more accurate.  The new color scheme really does seem a little better than the original which looked kind of crappy.

Supposedly, the people that originally worked on the film 'approved' the colors, but I think that's Disney holding a gun to them telling them they should approve what they see.

We're trying to get some distribution going on these films... if we can figure out how.

As far as Sleeping Beauty, odds are older is better, but you're going to loose the added image gained in the 2008 Platinum unless you do a lot of work color correcting the whole thing.

I'd assume the 2003 disc is the original color scheme based on the screenshots here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/34969/sleeping-beauty/

I know Disney has been messing with colors on new transfers, but I'm starting to think a lot of that is the change to a digital process is providing a more true color than the older photography processes allowed.

That said, I can't imagine the animators didn't know what they were compensating for.  It may come down to a matter of taste without original animators stepping forward and saying what's right or wrong.

I'm assuming that's what Ron Dias was talking about.  Did he actually SAY that the new colors aren't right?

Doctor M said:

I never did color correct Little Mermaid.  I just matched the one second to the new DVD color palette.

I did see Little Mermaid in theaters, but I couldn't tell you which was more accurate.  The new color scheme really does seem a little better than the original which looked kind of crappy.

Supposedly, the people that originally worked on the film 'approved' the colors, but I think that's Disney holding a gun to them telling them they should approve what they see.

We're trying to get some distribution going on these films... if we can figure out how.

As far as Sleeping Beauty, odds are older is better, but you're going to loose the added image gained in the 2008 Platinum unless you do a lot of work color correcting the whole thing.

I'd assume the 2003 disc is the original color scheme based on the screenshots here: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/34969/sleeping-beauty/

I know Disney has been messing with colors on new transfers, but I'm starting to think a lot of that is the change to a digital process is providing a more true color than the older photography processes allowed.

That said, I can't imagine the animators didn't know what they were compensating for.  It may come down to a matter of taste without original animators stepping forward and saying what's right or wrong.

I'm assuming that's what Ron Dias was talking about.  Did he actually SAY that the new colors aren't right?

I know you didn't color correct Mermaid. Ariel's tail just seems too green in the new DVD to me but I've never heard much discussion outside the sound mix. There has been complaints about Alice and Peter Pan and both Sleeping Beauty restorations and a slew of others. I think only Dumbo and Pocahontas haven't had their colors questioned of late. You're not the first to suggest that they may be more correct than before. I think i remember someone pointing out how one BD restoration was closer to the unrestored VHS than the previous restored DVD, as though they were correcting a past mistake. That's what makes these difficult along with those formats shoddy color reproduction.

I seem to have made it unclear that I meant the restorers weren't using the film color tests, not the animators. That's what Ron said. That they (the restorers) ignore the color tests and use the cels as reference instead and the animators (those still with us on the older films) are rarely consulted. He said they usually were unaware that colors would be chosen according to how they'd photograph. Yes, he did say the Bluray colors were wrong. My uncertainty was that it had just come out and I wasn't centain if he knew it was rerestored and color corrected or if he was complaining about the previous DVD assuming it was the same which I'd also heard claims of inaccurate color. This was a very brief conversation in the end at a meet and greet. Hence why I wouldn't know which to adjust it to, along with the problem of the BD having a bunch of new visual information. I do know that the biggest differences between the two are that the BD has Briar Rose's blouse constantly changing colors, and the glow is absent when she's being bewitched.

After seeing the comparison of the supposedly more accurate 2003 DVD to the 2008 Sleeping Beauty I'm a bit befuddled.

There is a shot of a robin that is more pink (in 2003), and some other colors that just seem bizarre.

I considered getting the 2003 disc and using it as a guide for color correcting the 2008 SE, but once again I find the new version to be an improvement (I can't speak of the BD).

Unfortunately, I think there is no right answer.

First we have to consider that the animators had no technology to provide the kind of color fidelity we have now.  So what ever they chose, to some degree, was them settling.

There is no doubt some color change happened in the photography process and the animators accounted for it.  To my eye, though, a stronger factor appear to be that the 2003 DVD is suffering from aging of the film stock.

I suspect the right answer lies somewhere between the two.

Btw, I now have at least 3 things I'd like to share if I can ever figure out how/where to put them.

A possibly mangled summary of the Sleeping Beauty debacle: the restoration team went directly back to the cels for reference as to how the film should look. However, what's been said is that the cels were overly bright and colorful with the fact in mind that they would be dulled down and subdued when transferred to moving film/release prints/etc. I think the blu has a bit of a neon look going to it, but it didn't turn out as bad as say Cinderella.

So are we going with the 2003 as being dead on accurate?

I say that because the fix should actually be pretty easy.  If you consider that the photography process would cause a specific shift in the look across the whole film.

You could just find the difference, plug a single filter in, recode the whole film and be done.

As far as my shares, they are diverse, not many to do with this thread and not necessarily even OT Forums.

I do have a plan though and will possibly be giving Little Mermaid a home soon (and then 2-4 Harry Potter edits.)

Anyone have suggestions for alternate private torrent sites or feelings about Usenets?

Doctor M said:

Anyone have suggestions for alternate private torrent sites or feelings about Usenets?

My vote is for Usenet.

If you're looking for a premium Usenet provider, check out usenetserver.com.

My ISP provides 6 month retention newsgroups as part of standard service.  Probably one of the few left that do.

So uploads wouldn't cost me, and recent downloads are always available, but it does suck for others.  I agree.

If you can direct us to the original torrent from Molly it can probably be reseeded.

I don't know what happened to my copy of LM that was just sent only a month ago... I think I lost it :/. If I find it I'll give ripping it a shot, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's a bust too.

TServo2049 said:

Pinocchio had a similar - they used the cels as reference, and "flattened" a lot of the moody lighting effects, like the candlelight in Gepetto's workshop. The 1999 DVD was the last time they ever looked anything near accurate.

Have the restoration team never seen the color test wedges from Snow White? The ones that have been included on every special edition on LD, DVD and BD for the last 20 years? If you look at them, it will be plainly obvious that the cels don't tell the whole story.

Flattened is a good description. I've never been a huge Disney fan but I wanted to cry when I saw what the new master turned out like.

@nirbateman - Probably useful even without a working tracker.  DHT keeps even torrents with no tracker going.

I'd test it with what I have but the MySpleen version was an ISO, not VOB/IFO files so I'd have to start all over again.

Perhaps someone could just alter the tracker to OpenTorrent's?  That wouldn't require a change of the data hashes.