danaan said:
Darth Bizarro said:
1. So I will first respond to the implosibility of the Darth Maul thing with simply a photograph.
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*sighs*
Maul was cut a good deal higher up:
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Really, what does it take for you to accept that a character is dead, I wonder? I mean, according to the standards you are setting, Boba Fett is also not proven dead - he could just fix the jet pack with the tools in his utility belt and fly out of Sarlacc or something. Which would be the lamest device for the continuation of a fan fave character evah. But completely in the same league as having Darth Maul come back.
Darth Bizarro said:
How exactly does fixing the flaws make Star Wars as a whole worse?
Nothing of this fixes any flaw. "Attempting to fix" by building on an already flawed narrative with even more flawed ideas just compounds the existing flaws to the point of making the storyline outright laughably stupid. In short, the flaws in the PT can't be fixed by the Clone Wars show. They can only be fixed by re-making the PT.
Darth Bizarro said:
2. Your entire argument here is circular and proves no point whatsoever so I won't even bother restating my original point again.
No. Not circular. It's a variant of my "the flaws of the PT can't be fixed by the CW"-argument + "there are plenty of ways the story of the PT could have been much more appealing than the schlock we were given".
Darth Bizarro said:
3. Even if you completely discount the prequels from canon and go with the original trilogy on it's own, Obi-wan flat out states that Yoda trained him as a Jedi. And Obi-wan says that a lightsaber is the weapon of a Jedi. The Emperor says the same thing in Return of the Jedi. So who exactly taught him to use the thing. Based on the implications given to us in the OT, Yoda probably did. You act like Yoda made some strong case in the movie about Jedi not using lightsabers when all he did was try to make a point that there was more to being a Jedi than just fighting. So why exactly would it be acceptable to assume that Yoda would condone and even train a Jedi to use a lightsaber, and yet somehow completely ridiculous that he might use one himself. That doesn't make any sense. So yes, it is just a matter of opinion.
You clearly do not understand the profound significance of Yoda's teachings on Dagobah.
Darth Bizarro said:
Also, Mr. Purist. We aren't talking about the original trilogy here. We're talking about the Clone Wars, an off shoot from the Prequels. So you can't try to make a point about how something in the Clone Wars shouldn't be, and then turn around and say that the prequels don't count because you don't consider them canon. I'm sorry, but the second you start talking about the Clone Wars, you are officially outside the safety of the purist zone.
I know. But the OP said that the CW is what SW should be. I disagree profoundly. SW should not be about who's got the most flashy weapons combo. It should be about moments like Yoda training Luke on Dagobah.
Darth Bizarro said:
4. Luke blows up the Death Star, a space station filled with countless officers and enlisted men, none of which are necessarily the next Emperor or Vader and many of whom were likely drafted and he gets a medal. Or what about all the people on Jabba's sail barge that he murdered when he blew the thing up. Jabba was dead, all the guards who were attacking him had been taken out already. What exactly did Luke have to gain by blowing up the sail barge which was at that point probably only filled with an bunch of drunks hanging out to watch the show, some servants, many of whom were likely enslaved, and the band members. All the guys who where an actual threat to them were defeated already, so why blow it up? Yet Anakin kills a village full of savage murderers who shoot at passerbys with riffles just for the lulz apparently, raid homesteads, pillage, capture, and torture people, and it's a one way ticket to the dark side.
Luke never gave in to his anger the way Anakin did on Tatooine. Again, you seem to fail to understand the dynamics of the OT - see the Throne Room scene in ROTJ. Luke passed that test. Anakin didn't. The sail barge scene was not a case of a defenceless village that Luke decided to destroy because of bigotry and hate. Luke did NOT initiate hostilities against Jabba's outfit. He had, in fact, tried SEVERAL non-lethal methods of getting Han out of there (3-4?). He had just been attacked by just about all of Jabba's thugs. As far as he knew, there could have been more guards coming up to follow the first ones. Could an even better outcome have been sought? Yes, but even so, the two situations are NOT comparable at all.
1. A death certificate. And there is no universe whatsoever where Boba Fett blasting out of the sarlacc pit is just as stupid as Maul surviving getting cut in half.
And BTW, not every one thinks that the Prequels are the worthless piles of crap that you do. They may not be up to pare with the originals but the worst movies ever made they most certainly are not, regardless of what the hateboy industrial complex would have us believe.
2. I'm sorry dude, but it is, get over it. Introducing a secondary villain in the spin off series that was planed are part of a B-story in the movies and didn't make the cut does not prove that it should have been in there. You seem to be greatly overstating the importance of the Mandalorians in the Clone Wars anyway.
3. I "clearly" don't understand the significance? Is that a fact? So because I don't think Yoda's words mean what you think they mean, I clearly don't understand? Please enlighten me good sir. What exactly did Yoda say that completely proves without a shadow of a doubt that he never would have used a lightsaber in his younger days? Please, give me a few quotes. Is it the size matters not thing you said earlier? Because I thought that line simply meant that the amount of force you have isn't dependent entirely on you physical strength. Or do I clearly not understand?
And who exactly says that it "should" be about moments like Yoda on Dagobah? Is that what Mr. Plinket told you?
4. Um, actually they are since both involve a Skywalker showing up in a den of murderers and thieve attempting to rescue someone they cared about and killing everyone in the process. Yes, Luke didn't have the level of anger that Anakin did, but then again, Luke didn't fall to the dark side now did he. Basically, Anakin and Luke did the exact same thing but because Anakin did it while pissed off and Luke didn't, Anakin should therefore be chastised and thrown in solitary by the Jedi Order to have the dark side beat out of him? The Jedi aren't pacifists and they seem to have no qualm whatsoever to killing for the greater good. You think Anakin is the first Jedi to come there way who had a brush with the dark side. Probably not, and when Anakin began to brush with the dark side they tried to help him. But predicting that he would have charge the Jedi Temple and slaughterer everyone inside? I'd say there's some reasonable doubt as for that.
5. This is fun by the way :)