I got it over at tehparadox. No invite needed. Just mentioning another option.
Arnie.d said:
In the Netherlands there's a company that scans 16mm film to HD (1400x1040). I don't think they care what kind of material it is. It's 2,50 euro per minute. So for under 1000 euros you can have the OOT scanned. So whoever owns these 16mm films, maybe it's a nice idea.
The shipping would cost an arm and a leg though. (16mm film reels are bulky to begin with.) It cost me over sixty bucks just to send some DVD captures to Sweden!
Most film collectors would probably be a nervous wreck sending their prints off to another country to be handled by unknown individuals.
Where were you in '77?
There are companies here in the U.S. that will scan 16mm in hi-def.
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Yeah, even if I had the SW 16mm prints (which I don't) there is no way I would send them in the mail.
I had some home 8mm films of my Mom, Dad, Sister and I transfered to miniDV about 15 years ago. But when I did I drove them to the facility. Dallas/FW area for us both. Not close to me, but worth the drive to know where I would be able to pick up the original films again - priceless.
Hey Puggo, I watched GRANDE and Stjärnornas Krig, and I gotta say I haven't yet had the time to read through this thread but I liked the little making-of videos that were on the DVDs.
Now you probably know from my thread that I love to take screenshots and play around with them a bit in photoshop. I did that with GRANDE, and noticed it was kind of easy to improve the colors a bit. Of course it's a matter of taste and "pureness" too but anyway, here they are. If you see a slight blur I added it to hide a bit of the sharpening artefacts in the screenshots, just a thing for my own taste.
Some of these might have come out too dark, but I just did some quick settings to see what could be done without much hassle. Anyway, my point is that maybe this is something to consider doing for a updated version sometime?
Really good job on these projects, either way. It was especially funny for me as a swede to see the original subtitles in the other version too!
After I'm done with PSB (and possibly after ROTJ), I am considering going back and remaking an upscaled PG, using the original captures. Perhaps you can help me color correct it then?
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Yeah I can probably help. I could make like one setting for each reel, since their colors seem slightly different.
The colours look much better You_Too :-)
That's pretty cool, The blue blacks are something that always bothered me about PG. Especially the cockpit shot of Luke looks much better.
And I think a new encode from the original files could improve the PQ quite a lot as well.
I would personally lose the rounded sides as well, since from what I understand they're a side product of the transfer and not a part of the original print, but I understand the desire to keep as much of the picture as possible. And whenever I watched PG, I always zoomed it in slightly to hide them, so I guess I can just continue doing that :-)
Harmy said:
I would personally lose the rounded sides as well
I think one should be able to warp the image to straighten it out, using the Greedo scene's subs as a guide to how much needs to be adjusted on the sides.
I tried a couple of warping tools to fix the rounded sides, but the side effects produced were always worse than the rounding. Virtualdub has a tool for barrel distortion correction that worked great on some scenes, unfortunately not all. And yes, it always bothered me to chop anything off of the image. The 16mm frame is already badly cropped, especially vertically, and I couldn't bear to crop more off.
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Funny how some of the OT deleted scenes on Blu Ray seem to have those same rounded edges to the frame.
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SilverWook said:
Funny how some of the OT deleted scenes on Blu Ray seem to have those same rounded edges to the frame.
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
A proper anamorphic projection of course shouldn't curve like that. My process is rather juryrigged, and as a result has a variety of shortcomings.
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A "proper" anamorphic projection will pincushion. That's why you have curved screens in theatres.
Projectionist of 4 years. Even had to project an anamorphic 16mm print of They Live once. It was fun taping an anamorphic lens to the projector and spinning it around until the curves were just right. Focusing it was a pain in the a** though.
What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.
Mavimao said:
A "proper" anamorphic projection will pincushion. That's why you have curved screens in theatres.
I know that, but mine isn't pincusioning for the same reason, since it isn't being projected. The WorkPrinter I'm using has a custom enlarged gate and that is what is contributing to the pincusioning, because the optics are slightly off as you reach to the extreme edges - ordinarily the gate would mask it. I guess I could claim to be simulating the anamorphic pincusioning effect. :)
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The edges of an anamorphic image on film are not bowed/pincushioned; it is a square image. The content of the image itself may have lens distortion, but that is a separate issue. All my sources are anamorphic, and do not exhibit this behavior when unsqueezed. I've generated anamorphic visual effects for film outs hundreds of times as well, without bowing/pincushioning in the image. A compensatory curve of the screen in a theater should be necessary only when the projector's lens itself adds a bowing to the image, but the actual film frame images are square.
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mverta said:
The edges of an anamorphic image on film are not bowed/pincushioned; it is a square image.
I meant the optics on the WorkPrinter, not the image itself.
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I'd be interested in seeing if You_Too could work up a good color correction for the Swedish print's release. If I recall that was generally in better condition, outside of the copious red (which really is to be expected of anything its' age).
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bkev said:
I'd be interested in seeing if You_Too could work up a good color correction for the Swedish print's release.
Here's a quick take on what could be done to that one. (Using a shot from Puggo's website since I had to delete that version after watching it because of needing some free space)
I wouldn't hope for a big color correction on this one though. The other one has much more color information to dig up from the picture.
Wow. You_Too, your work continues to impress. Those colors look like an excellent improvement. I'd be fascinated by an enhanced version of the Puggo Grande like this.
The Aluminum Falcon said:
Wow. You_Too, your work continues to impress. Those colors look like an excellent improvement. I'd be fascinated by an enhanced version of the Puggo Grande like this.
This.
The franchises I get nerdy about are so obscure that not even most nerds know about them.
I finally got around to checking this out. Thanks Puggo, it was a fun experience!
Would anyone be willing to share boba feta's cover and disc art? The usual links are down ;)
Thanks!
EDIT Nevermind, I found another cover and modified it :)
This was great! I was able to watch it today and loved every second of it!
Would anyone with the artwork mind posting a link? I'd like to definitely have this on the shelf!
Thanks!
I was just watching PG again, and noticed something interesting. PG and the 16mm print in the Catnap telecine share a ton of the same dirt, scratches, and other damage. I played them in sync, and a lot of the same stuff popped up on both at the same time. I did this after I noticed the same splices and emulsion scratches in the Tatooine pan-down on PG that are on Catnap (but without audio splices because the audio in PG is not from the same print as the visual).
I have a wild theory - perhaps the print used in PG is the same print used in Catnap, only after an additional 25 or so years of fading? The only other possibility is that they are just from the same print run, and the damage was in the 16mm reduction internegative, but I can't imagine that Fox or whoever would have continued to make prints off an IN that was that damaged. And I thought green emulsion scratches mean it's the print itself that's scratched, rather than the scratches being printed in from the previous generation; wouldn't negative emulsion scratches show up almost black on a positive?
Could that print have made its way from whatever person made the Catnap transfer (presumably in the UK, judging by the speedup and PAL color bars), down the line to Jaxxon, and eventually to Puggo? What are the odds?