darth_ender said:
All are fair comments. I think I've been outvoted. I worked it that way in part to justify the time gap between traveling from Dagobah to Tatooine, and also I kind of liked the idea of a slower start. However, this is apparently not the majority rule, so I'll rework it.
Ronster has been pushing heavily for a scene where the Death Star plans are stolen. His vision includes a Death Star, and while his idea seems too similar to ANH, perhaps creating a new scene that contains at least some of the elements he suggests could obtain what we are looking for.
But perhaps the best choice is to put the Death Star first followed by Dagobah, as Spence did. I'll have to further consider how to show the transition to Tatooine. Any ideas?
Which opening between these two do you guys feel would be better?
As for Lando, though some have suggested killing him, too many, myself included, lean towards keeping him alive. Sounds like that's probably what we should do, but maybe I'll send out a poll later today or tomorrow regarding the various debated issues. If new issues arise, we can vote on those later. I will send out PMs to everyone who has contributed to this project and give something like a week for everyone to read the script and respond. Then I'll post the results.
I am going to steam roller in here and explain my issues with everything so far.
The Structure does not work that we currently have at the start Dagobah >> DSII Vader >> Tattooine. I have attempted to fill this with somthing to fill out the story aswell as give a classic star wars opening and make the structure work but I doubt it would have the same epicness as previous films? Please see my opening storyboard and perhaps somone could expand upon it or have a better idea or feel we should revert back to the original structure. I am not pushing my ideas I simply am pushing to try and make things work better than are currently layed out.
Also the Transition of Luke from Dagobah to Tattooine will need padding out time wise and a new transitional shot of Luke arriving at tattooine which is all fine if it can be achieved. But should we be so bold as to attempt to do this or should we stick to the original structure. there is no harm in trying but I have tried to be as crafty as possible with my ideas only to try and make the structure work we currently have.
I want this project to work honestly and am doing all I can to make it the best it could be, but I don't want to destroy ROTJ in the process either.
We basically have come to a crossroads with all these ideas and thoughts and need to now start making sense of what it is we want to achieve, what is the reason to watch this ROTJ over the original? Should we be daring? should we change some of the events? Should we try to fill out parts to accomodate other changes?
The way I see it is, if you want to see ROTJ then watch the original, if you want to see a different version which is better or worse in some ways then watch this one. Mabey you'll like it mabey you won't.
I don't want to butcher ROTJ but I don't see the point in even doing this if it will be the same as ROTJ as the original so we may aswell throw everything at it and see how it turns out.
I don't care if Lando dies really, to see the millennium falcon go down like a big ball of fire is more about killing the ideal for what the millennium falcon stood for i.e. uniting because of a common enemy thus the empire is destroyed the Falcon would not mean anything either unless you had another enemy to unite and fight together against so it may aswell go out in a blaze of glory... What's to lose? If it makes you sad then thats good in my book that's more than the original did it's way to happy IMO. Or as Alanfae said it might be like a lame Bobba Fett but unless somone tries it we won't know so it's pointless discussing unless somone shows us their imagination. I think he should fly out "yee-Ha!" but have the back lit in flames which slowly consumes the falcon and we see turn into a fireball and it finally explodes over dramatic music.
I don't really wan't to make a ROTJ that feels scared of being what it could be... I can see a much better film in here and my best contribution so far is Luke not telling Leia she is his sister, and her pain makes Luke reveal her to Vader, Vader then begging to tell his sister, vader not a force ghost. This idea is not even up for debate it would seem but that for me is truly making ROTJ a bit more than a kids film. Luke carrys the can
ROTJ the original is a good movie but the pacing is awful especially at the end, this is the clincher in my eyes and you can throw as much special effects as you like at it but you need to make sure we have the best structure at the end in this edit for pacing and fluidity and add tension if it just stays like the original with extra scenes you may aswell not bother with this project as you have not solved anything and perhaps caused yourselves more problems with adding deleted scenes ontop of a movie that lacked tension in the first place.
WE NEED TO MAKE ROTJ WORK MUCH BETTER THAN IT DID ORIGINALLY
Before we go any further Darth_ender should do a rough cut of the pruposed structure at the end.
I will recut my rough cut as it was incorrect in some ways darth ender pointed out.
Can somone else do a rough cut of the end disregarding or incorporating the script or 2 others then we should discuss further these points. This will truly make for good comparison as looking at a page of words is good, with ideas but does not always translate to screen the same way. and if we had 4 or 5 different low res takes on the end structure we would see so many more possibiilities and what is working well and amalgamate these ideas into a whole.
As for the beginiing either we try somthing new or we go back to the original structure? I think we should be daring and try new before we write this off without trying I've seen ROTJ before.....