Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!) — Page 295

theprequelsrule said:

TV's Frink said:

Ha-ha, I love when someone new comes in and acts like they know everything that goes on here...especially in a 294 page thread in which I made the second post.

Boycott the release if you want.  I support that decision.  But buy it if you want, I support that decision too.  Buy or not buy - in my opinion it will have no bearing on the eventual availability of the OOT.

How can you support both positions?

I can understand why some people would boycott.  But I don't agree that people who do buy it are part of the problem.

CO said:

TV's Frink said:

Buy or not buy - in my opinion it will have no bearing on the eventual availability of the OOT.

 Lets just say for the sake of argument, the sales for this Bluray set are terrible.  You don't think that Lucasfilm is going to continue to suppress the OOT?  The reason Lucas can keep holding back the OOT is because he knows he has the diehards who will buy anything, and most of the fans on the fence who will waver but end up buying in the end. 

The 2004 DVD's were the #1 seller of 2004, so there is no reason for Lucas to worry about the OOT fanbase because he is still making loads of money.  His theory is for every OOT fan who boycotts, there is a new (younger fan) who is watching the movies for the first time who will not care.  Remember Lucas is still a businessman and as long as the Bluray set sells well, that tells him there is a demand and no matter what fans think of the changes, they will still buy it. 

The only way this shit will stop is if all the fans on the fence would boycott this release!  I bought the 2004 DVD's, so I was guilty of keeping the Lucasfilm train going, but I boycotted it this time because I realized nothing will change until their sales are affected. 

I can see this going on and on, so I'll just say it one more time...in my opinion, the sales numbers for this release will have no bearing on the eventual release or non-release of the OOT.

theprequelsrule said:

 

 

I wish this were true, but Lucas is a stubborn SOB. As I said in an earlier post he hates the OOT and will never release it. Even if sales were disappointing he would probably just say "fuck it" and move on to the TV series. We will not get the OOT until George is dead and the people who take over (and only care about money) release it. Book it.

 Lucas is a stubborn SOB, but he is still a businessman.  He can do all of this 'revisionism' shit simply because anything he has released for SW since 1997 has not disappointed when it comes to making money.  Whatever you want to say about the PT, whatever you want to say about the 97 SE, whatever you want to say about the 2004 DVD's, they all did HUGE business and made him big profits.  So there is no reason in his opinion to change, as he looks at us as just a niche community of complainers who wont ruin his bottom line.

Lucas did an interview with Charlie Rose in 2004, and it was a telling quote (I am paraphrasing), "Lucasfilm was having financial problems in the late 80's and my financial guys came to me in the early 90's and said if you do the PT, here is the projected revenue over the next 10 years.  I had to make a decision at that point to either do the PT, or walk away from SW forever."

Don't ever get fooled by his vision bullshit, he is still a businessman first.  His daughter even said it, "The complainers will bitch and complain, but in the end they will buy it."  As long as that happens, Lucas can keep making the changes.  A backlash only works when people follow through!

Mavimao said:

R2D2 said:

The OT deleted scenes are muted from time to time without any technical reason. Sound is suddenly off completely in the middle of a shot and on after a few seconds again in the same shot. Technically the sound is either on the master tapes they used or not.

The only explanation I have is Lucasfilm is doing this on purpose to avoid fan films based on those scenes.

It's a shame that fans who are paying to watch those scenes are paying 100% but don't get 100% of their content.

Films at the time were edited on machines in which you had the picture on film on one reel and on another, a magnetic tape shaped like film for the sound. You had to first sync up the picture and sound, mark a big X on the sound strip and film to indicate when the clapboard hit, cut up the shot and hang it on a hook by the sprocket holes in a bin nearby.

Some shots don't even have any on set sound recorded! These are usually 2nd unit shots: cutaways, establishing shots, etc.

So when you're editing, you only have the on set sound. If there is no sound available, you just throw in empty slug to maintain sync.

Lucasfilm isn't cheating you out of anything. I am actually surprised the 2 reel workprint materials still even exist!

 I have to admit, I seem to have been wrong on this one. But what I meant was that the audio is muted within the same shot like it does several times during the Cantina Sequence. However the audio is missing as well on the Behind the Magic 1995 Cdrom sequence at the exact spots. I take back that it was done on purpose.

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Easter eggs:

I checked the filestructure of Disc 7 & Disc 8 and found no easter eggs - other than the boba fett cartoon on Disc 8, which actually isn't hidden and hence shouldn't be called easter egg.

What's on there is either interviews, short making ofs, 360° turnarounds, pics or menu stuff.

Where are those Easter eggs? Maybe it's online content that is not physically stored on the discs?

Digital copies for Star Wars:

1. Connect your bd-live enabled blu ray  player to the internet through your home network.
2. Connect your portable device to your home network using wi-fi.
3. Visit the app store on your portable device and download the pocket blu app.

you're all set: simply insert your pocket blu enabled disc into your player and launch the pocket blu app on your portable device to get your digital copy now.

to learn more, visit www.pocketblu.com or your portable device's app store.

About these Blu-rays: I'm literally watching Episode II as I post this and I do have to say the teal shift makes it seem less cartoony. But the real reason I 'm posting this is because I noticed that during Anakin's dream, there is now audio of his mother crying his name (in a distressed way). I just thought this was odd since its a change that I didn't even hear about. It's actually a good change in my opinion because, well, that dream was a little weird before. It makes me wonder though, are there more audio changes that people have found? If most people missed this one than surely there's more. Anyone know?

The added Shmi audio had been mentioned a few times before.

TV's Frink said:

The added Shmi audio had been mentioned a few times before.

Really? I've been following most of the threads pretty closely, I'm surprised I missed it. 

Dominic: I think that dream change has been mentioned in a few places, yes. I just listened to the audio on another forum to hear it for myself. It definitely gives the scene some needed context.

The truth is, a lot of people really don't care if they have to watch the SE. They would like the OOT, but don't particularly feel that strongly if it's not available. And then there are a lot of fans that simply don't give a shit. They'll take the SE and be happy.

These people make up such a sizable portion of the viewing population that there are even quite a few members on this site, of all places, who fall into those categories.

So my point is: even if every regular member here boycotted the release and even if a lot of those fence sitters did too, regardless of whether you view us as a minority or majority, the blu-ray set would still sell millions of dollars. Lucas would be swimming in profit. He might be disappointed that he didn't make as much, but it's hard to complain about a cool $400 million in worldwide sales. If the set made that figure, it would be about 50% of the 2004 set--a catastrophic drop, the best-case scenario for boycotters. But it won't matter. The set is just one component of the wealth-enabling machine that is Lucasfilm. The books will still sell as they have, so will the novels and comics, and the games will continue to be best-sellers too. Then you'll have the Clone War stuff, 3D releases, whatever.

I think Frink is right to some degree. Lucasfilm smartly diversified Star Wars to such wide extent that the actual selling of the films themselves are the least-important aspect of the company right now. Lucasfilm doesn't make money off  the videos, they make it from the toys and t-shirts and games and other merchandise. So if less people started buying the films they'd just re-orient their business strategy to account for the fact that their video profit margin is slightly lower than it was in the DVD era. The DVD era is a unique, probably-not-to-be-repeated era when everyone was buying films again and again, anyway, it was the height of the home video market.

DominicCobb said:

About these Blu-rays: I'm literally watching Episode II as I post this and I do have to say the teal shift makes it seem less cartoony. But the real reason I 'm posting this is because I noticed that during Anakin's dream, there is now audio of his mother crying his name (in a distressed way). I just thought this was odd since its a change that I didn't even hear about. It's actually a good change in my opinion because, well, that dream was a little weird before. It makes me wonder though, are there more audio changes that people have found? If most people missed this one than surely there's more. Anyone know?

I posted earlier that there is possibly new audio in Revenge of the Sith, when the clones repel from the rafters during Obi-Wan's battle with General Grievous. They are shouting commands now and can be heard communicating. I swear it's new, but I'm not entirely sure. I don't have an Episode III DVD handy for comparison.

Yeah the clones are silent in the the original version.

I just want to say that it was you guys that convinced me to cancel my pre-order and I thank you for it.  There were just too many minuses to buying this set and I think the clincher was that the awful colors weren't fixed.

I've since convinced two other people not to buy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQqzl-jFP18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AsmoqgHmvk

nightstalkerpoet said:

Has anyone considered that BETTER sales may promt Lucas to release the OOT?

I mean, the guy obviously takes issue with releasing them for his own personal, stubborn reasons. Meaning no matter how hard we push, petition, etc. He's not going to move on it. He wants us to see Star Wars this way... so why not make the guy happy? Wouldn't a positive view of diehard fans be better than one of total disagreement, offending eachother?

Let's say every star wars fan out there boycotting this release picked a single day to purchase the set, possibly from a single retailer/website. Perhaps even from a very small online store, that is going to have to make a huge unprecedented order to meet demand. Perhaps we could organize the purchase ofThousands, maybe tens of thousands of copies, bought in good faith, on the same day that a letter is sent to George and anyone else slightly connected to him, stating "We bought the films, we'll view them the way you want us to. In return, will you please release them the way we want to view them as well"

I'm just not understanding how this boycott is supposed to affect a multimillionaire who feels very little financial impact either way. Perhaps attempting to work out some quid pro quo is the way to go...

Sorry, but that's a terrible idea.  We all know how stubborn he is about not releasing them.  I doubt he'd agree to a deal he'd be forced into upon receiving the letter.  He'd have our money and then do nothing.

nightstalkerpoet said:

Has anyone considered that BETTER sales may promt Lucas to release the OOT? 

Well I sure do. I think this will help Lucas to raise some money on the side to restored the OOT. And maybe with the controversy on the changes, it may get Lucas to work on releasing it faster.

The boycott is useful in a symbolic way. It sends a message that a lot of his fans aren't happy. It doesn't matter if the boycott has a financial impact, the fact that a lot of people are boycotting itself sends a message. If it's just two or three people here then it won't matter but if it gets big enough then Lucasfilm higherups will start to hear about it. For me, that is the practical value of it. A few thousand despondant fans aren't going to be able to affect a multi-billion-dollar enterprise, but they can shake the status quo that everything is cool in public relations.

nightstalkerpoet wrote: I'm just not understanding how this boycott is supposed to affect a multimillionaire who feels very little financial impact either way. Perhaps attempting to work out some quid pro quo is the way to go...

yeah.  after that explain why there is a failed tv pilot which has a pop rapper getting excited about a puppet who is singing about putting it's penis into the vagina of a tv personality dressed as Princess Leia.  Almost all cultural debris rolls off the back of Star Wars.

the boycott is not about money, it's about people telling others that they've had enough.  Every release has this type of group.

none said:

nightstalkerpoet wrote: I'm just not understanding how this boycott is supposed to affect a multimillionaire who feels very little financial impact either way. Perhaps attempting to work out some quid pro quo is the way to go...

yeah.  after that explain why there is a failed tv pilot which has a pop rapper getting excited about a puppet who is singing about putting it's penis into the vagina of a tv personality dressed as Princess Leia. 

What?