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Pennsylvania Jones said:

TV's Frink said:

greenpenguino said:

TheBoost said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

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Did you TYPE all that, or do you have a handy list to cut and paste?

 

 

 

Could you guys stop quoting that list?  It's murder on my phone.

Thanks.

 

Oh, and:

-TPM (L8wrtr edit)
-AOTC (JasonN edit)
-ROTS (JasonN edit)
-SW
-ESB
-ROTJ

That's it, that's the list.

(I enjoy the 2D clone wars episodes but they aren't part of my canon)

Which versions of SW, ESB, and ROTJ? ;)

The originals.

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TV's Frink said:

Pennsylvania Jones said:

TV's Frink said:

greenpenguino said:

TheBoost said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

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Did you TYPE all that, or do you have a handy list to cut and paste?

 

 

 

Could you guys stop quoting that list?  It's murder on my phone.

Thanks.

 

Oh, and:

-TPM (L8wrtr edit)
-AOTC (JasonN edit)
-ROTS (JasonN edit)
-SW
-ESB
-ROTJ

That's it, that's the list.

(I enjoy the 2D clone wars episodes but they aren't part of my canon)

Which versions of SW, ESB, and ROTJ? ;)

The originals.

The '77/'80/'83 Originals, the '81/'80/'83 Originals, the '85 Originals, or the '93 Originals?  In other words, which sound mix and opening crawl do you deem the most canon?

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I ignored mentioning those SW-related works that I consider only near-canon and semi-canon from my earlier list for the sake of brevity. Would anyone here be interested in seeing me type up a list of those omitted works?

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DuracellEnergizer said:

I ignored mentioning those SW-related works that I consider only near-canon and semi-canon from my earlier list for the sake of brevity. Would anyone here be interested in seeing me type up a list of those omitted works?

 For the love of GOD no. You'll break the 'net!

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DuracellEnergizer said:

I ignored mentioning those SW-related works that I consider only near-canon and semi-canon from my earlier list for the sake of brevity. Would anyone here be interested in seeing me type up a list of those omitted works?

Yes, please.

I've made a thread for it.

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Pennsylvania Jones said:

TV's Frink said:

Pennsylvania Jones said:

TV's Frink said:

greenpenguino said:

TheBoost said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

*

Did you TYPE all that, or do you have a handy list to cut and paste?

 

 

 

Could you guys stop quoting that list?  It's murder on my phone.

Thanks.

 

Oh, and:

-TPM (L8wrtr edit)
-AOTC (JasonN edit)
-ROTS (JasonN edit)
-SW
-ESB
-ROTJ

That's it, that's the list.

(I enjoy the 2D clone wars episodes but they aren't part of my canon)

Which versions of SW, ESB, and ROTJ? ;)

The originals.

The '77/'80/'83 Originals, the '81/'80/'83 Originals, the '85 Originals, or the '93 Originals?  In other words, which sound mix and opening crawl do you deem the most canon?

Honestly I don't really care about the opening crawl, and all I want out of the sound mix is a good entertaining 5.1 mix that is reasonably faithful to whatever the originals should sound like (there's way too much that has changed over the years for me to care about).

Sound mixes and crawls don't really have much to do with canon anyway, do they?

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skyjedi2005 said:

Am i the only one who liked the Shadows of the Empire N64 game?

Not that i would add it to me personal canon.

I also did not care much for Dash Rendar ripoff of Han, or his outrider ripoff of the falcon.

But i liked the hoth level.  The train level against ig 88, the battle with fett etc.

I really did not appreciate the added shadows of the empire CGI to star wars in 1997 however like the cgi bike lifted straight from the same files used in the game.

I read the book but never played the game. You forgot to mention that the Outrider and the ASP droids also made it into the SE.

I don't care for Dash either. Instead of creating that copy cat they should have opted for utilizing an already existing character, namely Kyle Katarn. He's perfect for that role being a mercenary working for the rebellion and already had a cool sidekick and ship.

 I couldn't agree more.  So we get an antihero Han ripoff, only he's younger, cockier, more self-serving, fliesa newer Corellian ship that's almost as fast as the Falcon and looks very similar, and finds his redemption at the end of the story.  I know Perry wanted someone to fill Han's big shoes while he was stuck in that slab, but that was pretty lame.  Nevertheless, the story was decent, and it's nice to have a little filler between the two films.

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darth_ender said:

Tobar said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Am i the only one who liked the Shadows of the Empire N64 game?

Not that i would add it to me personal canon.

I also did not care much for Dash Rendar ripoff of Han, or his outrider ripoff of the falcon.

But i liked the hoth level.  The train level against ig 88, the battle with fett etc.

I really did not appreciate the added shadows of the empire CGI to star wars in 1997 however like the cgi bike lifted straight from the same files used in the game.

I read the book but never played the game. You forgot to mention that the Outrider and the ASP droids also made it into the SE.

I don't care for Dash either. Instead of creating that copy cat they should have opted for utilizing an already existing character, namely Kyle Katarn. He's perfect for that role being a mercenary working for the rebellion and already had a cool sidekick and ship.

 I couldn't agree more.  So we get an antihero Han ripoff, only he's younger, cockier, more self-serving, fliesa newer Corellian ship that's almost as fast as the Falcon and looks very similar, and finds his redemption at the end of the story.  I know Perry wanted someone to fill Han's big shoes while he was stuck in that slab, but that was pretty lame.  Nevertheless, the story was decent, and it's nice to have a little filler between the two films.

It's like when a production studio sends out casting calls for an "Adam Carolla type" and then when Adam Carolla shows up to audition, they reject him and cast someone almost exactly like him, but who isn't him.

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Tyrphanax said:

It's like when a production studio sends out casting calls for an "Adam Carolla type" and then when Adam Carolla shows up to audition, they reject him and cast someone almost exactly like him, but who isn't him.

Tyler Labine is sometimes a better Jack Black than Jack Black...

 

My personal canon is the Original Trilogy.

Prequels/Clone Wars are part of the "Lame Universe". In the regular Star Wars universe, there is no Qui-Gon Jinn. He therefore does not encounter Jar-Jar, find a significantly different Lame Universe Anakin or train Obi-Wan to be a dumbass who can't find a planet. In the real, yet non-existent prequels Yoda trains Obi-Wan, who then finds the REAL Anakin, who becomes the bad mofo in the Vader suit...

The force is not nearly as powerful in the Lame Universe because its power comes from bacteria rather than a mystical energy field that binds the universe together. Consequently a room full of Lame Universe Jedi are unable to sense a Sith two feet away and can be killed rather easily by deliberately retarded clone troops. Pointy lightsabers, different fighting styles, the possibility of the dark side being stronger, nonsensical chronology and continuity errors - all explained!

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Tobar said:

I don't care for Dash either. Instead of creating that copy cat they should have opted for utilizing an already existing character, namely Kyle Katarn. He's perfect for that role being a mercenary working for the rebellion and already had a cool sidekick and ship.

Wow, you're right.  I've never heard/thought that before.  Kyle Katarn would have been perfect- and not too rip offy.

 

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IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

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Tyrphanax said:

It's like when a production studio sends out casting calls for an "Adam Carolla type" and then when Adam Carolla shows up to audition, they reject him and cast someone almost exactly like him, but who isn't him.


Tyler Labine is sometimes a better Jack Black than Jack Black...

 

My personal canon is the Original Trilogy.

Prequels/Clone Wars are part of the "Lame Universe". In the regular Star Wars universe, there is no Qui-Gon Jinn. He therefore does not encounter Jar-Jar, find a significantly different Lame Universe Anakin or train Obi-Wan to be a dumbass who can't find a planet. In the real, yet non-existent prequels Yoda trains Obi-Wan, who then finds the REAL Anakin, who becomes the bad mofo in the Vader suit...

The force is not nearly as powerful in the Lame Universe because its power comes from bacteria rather than a mystical energy field that binds the universe together. Consequently a room full of Lame Universe Jedi are unable to sense a Sith two feet away and can be killed rather easily by deliberately retarded clone troops. Pointy lightsabers, different fighting styles, the possibility of the dark side being stronger, nonsensical chronology and continuity errors - all explained!


This is one of the reasons why I want the Star Wars Universe to really be part of a Star Wars Multiverse.

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As I mentioned before, it's like a multiverse to me.  I have no problem accepting certain things when I want to and rejecting them when I want to.

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Multiverses annoy me. I don't wanna have to get into the mindset of, "okay, now in this universe, Anakin is a Rodian smuggler from Nar Shaddaa. I just have to forget everything I know about the other Anakin in the other universe who is a human Jedi from Tatooine."

I think that's why I don't read comics. Over here we have a Spiderman who has taken over for a dead Peter Parker, but wait, Peter Parker is still alive in this other universe, so it doesn't really matter. It's just confusing and annoying. Do one timeline and stick with it. If you have to make "what if" things, do a one-off piece like with Infinities so I can ignore it.

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^Technically, if you don't like parallel universes, you could just ignore 'em =P

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Okay, I didn't mean a literal multiverse.  I just meant sometimes I consider some stories together and ignore the rest, sometimes I lump different stories.  It's not like I have to accept everything at every moment as real Star Wars.  It's just a way of enjoying what was written.  Take Splinter of the Mind's Eye.  It was written before Star Wars even hit theatres.  It looks at the characters from a different perspective than how they end up being.  Instead of reading that and trying to make it mesh with everything else I know about Star Wars, I pretend it is the only sequel to ANH where Luke and Leia are not sibs, Vader ain't yo' daddy, etc., etc., etc.  I find I enjoy it much better from that "certain point of view."

But I see what you're getting at with the Spider-man thing.

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I Love Multiverse, but then again i am a fan of Micheal Moorcock, and i am interested in the science around multiple universes co-existing or multiple worlds.

There are certain things that do annoy me though like inconsitent rules or canon.

I agree for star wars though multiverse is daft. so is time travel.

In Star trek it works.  In Marvel Comics or DC it works.

 

When you are trying to write a cohesive saga of 9 films, a family saga like the Skwalker saga it makes sense to not do multiverse, but now we have such a thing because the oot no longer exists and nor do the sequels or promised prequels which were never made and what was made was completely inconsistent with the established universe.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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skyjedi2005 said:


I agree for star wars though multiverse is daft. so is time travel.


Too late! It's been done!! BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

When you are trying to write a cohesive saga of 9 films, a family saga like the Skwalker saga it makes sense to not do multiverse


Well, I think I can speak for everyone - pro-SW Multiverse and not - in that no one expects or even wants the films themselves to delve into parallel universes.

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The Phantom Edit

Attack of the Phantom

Revenge of the Sith Novelization

The OT

Dark Empire I

The Thrawn Trilogy

Boba Fett: The Last One Standing

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I usually think that my Canon is probably a bit bigger than it actually is...

And I have levels- not that I really classify them (yet) but that even if I consider something to be 'canon', it's not always terribly relevant.

If someone wrote a short story (or comic (Star Wars Tales, maybe)) with a new scene of Han, Leia, Chewie and C3PO passing time on the Falcon on the way to the Lando system, and I liked it and it didn't contradict anything else I considered canon...  I might not throw it out of my "personal canon" but it wouldn't rank very high as far as "importance" or "relevancy".

Even so, here's what I consider canon personnaly like and watch/read/play.

Original Trilogy-

  • Star Wars Revisited hits about 10/12 cylinders for me.  If I wasn't so lazy/was more talented I'd make my own Revisited Reloaded and be 99% happy.
  • Adywan's ESB Theatrical (Until I can see ESB:R)
  • ??? Still not sure about a RotJ.  I've d/l'ed a couple and checked out a few less.

 

Books- (I read everything from Splinter of the Minds eye to something around Planet of Twilight.  I've read each of the PT novels and 1.2 of the Darth Bane books.  I used to consider a lot of more of them canon, but now I guess it would just be:)

  • Zahn Trilogy
  • Most of Jedi Academy Trilogy
  • Children of the Jedi (maybe?  I only read this once when it came out, but I recall enjoying it)
  • The first several Young Jedi Knights books (again- haven't read in ages, but I recall these being surprisingly good, considering the author (we hates the KJA, we hates THEM!) and the subject matter.  But they're far enough removed from the core characters that I don't really care one way or another.  See my earlier note on relevancy.)
  • Maybe 25% or less of The Courtship of Princess Leia.  As if it's a really poorly written tabloid version of it or something.


(Yet to read, but looking forward to them:)

  • Hand of Thrawn Duology
  • Survivor's Quest


Comics-

  • 75% of Dark Empire
  • 50% of Dark Empire II
  • 10% of Empire's End
  • 100% of Tales of the Jedi, Freedon Nadd
  • 90% of Dark Lords of the Sith
  • 70% of Sith War
  • 50% of Golden Age of/Fall of the Sith Empire
  • 70% of Redemption
  • 99% of Legacy, Legacy War
  • 90% of Mara Jade, Union
  • ~% of the X-Wing books (I guess)
  • 1% of the Star Wars Tales


I didn't completely hate the KotOR books, and I read the whole series.  I'm tempted to throw it on this list, but nah...  I've only read a little Empire/Rebellion and they've never really felt like must reads to me.

Games- (This is harder.  The above are all "story" media, whereas this is something differnent.  I really enjoyed the act of playing both Force Unleashed games, but I wouldn't ever consider their stories canon)

  • 100% Dark Forces
  • 50% Jedi Knight
  • 60% Jedi Outcast

 
I guess the rest either weren't trying to have their own continuity (Battlefront, X-Wing, Super Star Wars, etc...) or had such terrible stories (Rebel Assault, etc...) or had nice stories, but they just don't fit (Force Unleashed).

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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xhonzi said:

I usually think that my Canon is probably a bit bigger than it actually is...

Doesn't this belong in the SLIGHTLY naughty thread?

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I pretty much gave up on the EU after Bantam lost the licence to Del Rey and the prequel stuff came along.

Most of the Bantam stuff ranged from ok to awful and no longer care for it and don't like most of the Dark Horse comics either.

 

I like most things pre-90s that aren't Ewok related:

* Original theatrical cuts of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi --> with some audio fixes of my own

* Novelisations of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi

* Radio Dramas of Star Wars & The Empire Strikes Back (Excluding Return of the Jedi)

* Star Wars Newspaper Strips (Goodwin/Williamson run especially)

* The Han Solo Adventures - Brian Daley

* Splinter of the Mind's Eye - Alan Dean Foster

* The Lando Calrissian Adventures - L. Neil Smith

* Marvel: Star Wars #1-107, Annual #1-3, Return of the Jedi #1-4, Droids #1-8, Pizzazz strip & extra stories printed in Marvel UK titles

* Blackthorne Star Wars 3-D #1-3

* Droids Cartoon Episodes 1-13, The Great Heep Special & Segment from the Holiday Special

* Rebel Mission to Ord Mantell Audio Drama


Of the EU stuff from the 90s, I enjoyed the following:

* Thrawn Trilogy - Timothy Zahn

* X-Wing Books - Stackpole/Allston

* The Han Solo Trilogy - Crispin

* Tales of the Jedi comics, Freedon Nadd Uprising, Dark Lords of the Sith, The Sith War, Redemption (This is all good stuff, but I don't think of it as proper Star Wars)

* X-Wing comics

 

I could give or take any of the above in my personal canon, don't really care too much about continuity, Lucasfilm never did...

 

Star Wars 1977-1983

Star Trek 1966-1991

LeoneNut's Edits

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TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

I usually think that my Canon is probably a bit more promiscuous than it actually is...

Doesn't this belong in the SLIGHTLY naughty thread?

Better?

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Only TV commercials.  If it ain't shillin' it ain't Star Wars.