STAR WARS: EP V "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - 12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW — Page 446

I don't think it's difficult at all.

First, cutting it from Episode III is the easiest thing in the world.

Second, "There is another" from ESB - someone (forget who) mentioned that Yoda could be talking about Anakin himself, that if Luke dies it may push Anakin back to the good side somehow (the way it was explained in the other thread made a lot more sense than what I just said though).

Third, this allows you to easily cut Obi-Wan/Luke's conversation from ROTJ out entirely (which is something that I believe is highly unnecessary, and it works better to show that Luke is really on his own if we don't see him until the end), and Vader could simply sense that Luke cares deeply about Leia (because he's in love with her, but lets Han have her because he doesn't expect to live, and he sees that she really loves Han and not him).  He says "Her" or "Leia" instead of "Sister":

"Your feelings for them are strong.  Especially for ... Leia/her.  Your feelings have now betrayed her too.  If you will not be turned ... then perhaps she will."

I think it would benefit the saga as a whole to cut the Leia/Luke sibling relationship out.  However, it's something that will divide people even more than the PT did, just because you're changing something that has been a part of the Star Wars "canon" since 1983 (see JasonN's "Last of the Jedi" thread for evidence of the very heated reactions to this idea).

sans_fi said:

This is some kind of personal thing, and it will affect the story IN A HUGE WAY... It mainly affects ROTJ, but there is one little scene here.

Dont make Luke and Leia Brother and Sister... It just feels forced and stupid. It makes no sense that nobody ever felt the force in her, why obi-wan never even cared about her rescue on A New Hope, why nor yoda nor obi-wan even cared training her AT THE SAME TIME as Luke. And it breaks that tension between Han-Leia-Luke, without really giving anything to the story.

It wouldnt be that hard to edit from ROTJ, the biggest change would be how to make luke get angry with vader... But any other time is just cutting dialogue.

In ESB youll have to cut down the "No, there is another" (thats why im posting this here first and not waiting untill ROTJ:R)

i find it dumb,  there have always been hints of them being related in episode 5.  in my opinion the way i see it with those being against luke and leia being related is because of their little kiss which i have no problem with considering the context of what was happening in that scene

adywan said:

DF Shadow said:

AdY real quick PT question.........Obviously the OT had major recoloring issues.....what's your opinion of the coloring in the PT?

The PT will be getting a complete colour correction overhaul. TPM is pink, AOTC is orange , and only ROTS looks any way normal.

sans_fi said:

This is some kind of personal thing, and it will affect the story IN A HUGE WAY... It mainly affects ROTJ, but there is one little scene here.

Dont make Luke and Leia Brother and Sister... It just feels forced and stupid. It makes no sense that nobody ever felt the force in her, why obi-wan never even cared about her rescue on A New Hope, why nor yoda nor obi-wan even cared training her AT THE SAME TIME as Luke. And it breaks that tension between Han-Leia-Luke, without really giving anything to the story.

It wouldnt be that hard to edit from ROTJ, the biggest change would be how to make luke get angry with vader... But any other time is just cutting dialogue.

In ESB youll have to cut down the "No, there is another" (thats why im posting this here first and not waiting untill ROTJ:R)

no, i will be keeping the brother/ sister relationship. There is no real way around it. It's the reason why Luke gets so angry with Vader and taking this out leaves nothing else for Vader to push Luke into almost turning to the dark side

 

By the time you get around to the prequels they will be on Blu Ray, with new transfers and a CG Yoda in TPM so the coloring isssues may well be moot.

fishmanlee, im guessing just one cut with no story changes.

ChainsawAsh, it wouldnt make sense "then perhaps she will" since Leia shouldnt be force sesitive.

Back to ESB:R

Since Vanderios is going to change the melting metal from the last part of the lighsaber battle between Luke and Vader.

There should be noticed many places on that lighsaber fight where Vader hits something and at least for a moment have it "melting", and be carefull that the places they hit the handrail wasnt broken before the lightsaber hit it.

Specially, there is one moment, when Luke and Vader are just coming out from that door that Vader hits with his lightsaber the wall (clearly) There should be a scratch...

sans_fi said:

ChainsawAsh, it wouldnt make sense "then perhaps she will" since Leia shouldnt be force sesitive.

then explain to me how the heck does leia sense luke when he calls out to her

yea, i won't be around for the PT edits. i like wat your doing with the OT ady, but i all except for color corrections and anakan's and padme's acting, i don't really care if they get changed. i'm fine with the way they are.

i'll still check in, maybe u'll change my mind :)

Hello All,

Wow seems we are getting into a major story debate here so I thought I would weigh in on the subject.

I am no means an expert. So I will first source my information, as the work of Micheal Kaminski in his 600 page book "The secret history of Star Wars". A must read for every SW fan in my opinion.

Sans_Fi you are totally right. The story line was forced and it did not make any sense. It was nothing more than a stop gap for George Lucas to tie up the series in ROTJ. Yes... there was going to be a sequel trilogy.  SW was not always the "Tragedy of Darth Vader"

So where did it all go wrong?

George Lucas had a lot of trouble with making ESB (which led to the falling out between him and Gary Kurtz). The project was over budget, Irvin Kershner spent too long on it and went he went in a different creative direction. George didn't like the process and the actors didn't like it much either.

ROTJ comes along, George is in even more trouble. He is going through a messy divorce with Marcia (which crushes lucasfilm financially for 15 years), trouble with the MPAA (Steven Speilburg wanted to direct ROTJ but the MPAA wouldn't let him), the actors are even more tired with the subject matter to the point that Harrison Ford is begging to be killed off, and Richard Marquand was not experienced enough to direct the thing by himself.

So George says.... "wow... another 6 movies. I can't do it. 3 is enough. I have my ranch and that was my goal. " So he decides to wrap it all in ROTJ. So he has to tie up all the loose ends in the story, and end the saga. So he puts the ending of Ep9 in RotJ.

Luke originally was supposed to kill Darth Vader in ROTJ. Then in the Sequel trilogy Luke finds "the other", trains him or her, and they go running off to defeat the Emperor in Episode 9.

So the "other" line served two purposes.

1. It gave the audience a feeling that Luke could fail (and George could conveniently write out Mark Hamil should he wish to leave the project).

2. It was part of the plot to sequel trilogy.

George, wanted to end it all in ROTJ. So rather than just pick a new character out of the air and say "here is the other!" He forced Leia to be Luke's sister and solved the love triangle as well.

So I hope this answers our questions to why it feels forced. However, I am still in favour of the storyline staying the same. It is the way Star Wars was written and should say.

Now, on a side note, to find out who the "other" was going to be, more information on the sequel trilogy, and why it will never be made. You will just have to read "The Secret History of Star Wars."

Matticon.

sans_fi said:

ChainsawAsh, it wouldnt make sense "then perhaps she will" since Leia shouldnt be force sesitive...

Goddammit, I hate this idea.  The great thing about the Force in Star Wars was that it felt like anyone could be a Jedi if they had the right amount of dedication, while some people were just "gifted" and already had a great deal of sensitivity to the Force without any training (like Anakin should have, going by Obi-Wan's comments in Star Wars).  The idea that your parents had to be "Force-sensitive" for you to have any chance at being a Jedi ... ugh, it just makes me think of midi-chlorians all over again.

Matticon said:

I am no means an expert. So I will first source my information, as the work of Micheal Kaminski in his 600 page book "The secret history of Star Wars". A must read for every SW fan in my opinion.

You might be interested to know that Mr. Kaminski has been a member here for a very long time, going by the screen name of zombie84.  And his book is absolutely brilliant.

Matticon said:

trouble with the MPAA (Steven Speilburg wanted to direct ROTJ but the MPAA wouldn't let him)

It was actually the Director's Guild of America.  Since he refused to put Irvin Kershner, a DGA member, in the opening credits of ESB, even though Kershner didn't care, the DGA wanted to fine them a shit-ton of money and IIRC kick Kershner out of the DGA.  To protect his director, Lucas himself accepted the fine and quit the DGA.

This had the unforunate drawback of preventing him from ever hiring a Guild director again - and Spielberg was (and still is) a member of the DGA.  So he hired UK director Richard Marquand instead.

ChainsawAsh said:

Goddammit, I hate this idea.  The great thing about the Force in Star Wars was that it felt like anyone could be a Jedi if they had the right amount of dedication, while some people were just "gifted" and already had a great deal of sensitivity to the Force without any training (like Anakin should have, going by Obi-Wan's comments in Star Wars).  The idea that your parents had to be "Force-sensitive" for you to have any chance at being a Jedi ... ugh, it just makes me think of midi-chlorians all over again.

Which is the exact same way I feel about this issue.
(and why I have no problem cutting Leia as the sister in my RotJ edit)

ChainsawAsh said:

sans_fi said:

ChainsawAsh, it wouldnt make sense "then perhaps she will" since Leia shouldnt be force sesitive...

Goddammit, I hate this idea.  The great thing about the Force in Star Wars was that it felt like anyone could be a Jedi if they had the right amount of dedication, while some people were just "gifted" and already had a great deal of sensitivity to the Force without any training (like Anakin should have, going by Obi-Wan's comments in Star Wars).  The idea that your parents had to be "Force-sensitive" for you to have any chance at being a Jedi ... ugh, it just makes me think of midi-chlorians all over again.

I had always thought of it as a (bear with me here) Harry Potter-esque style of special-ability inheritance. It is possible for those with non-Jedi parents to have greater force abilities, just as it is possible for children of Jedi to lack those same abilities. However, it is more likely that if one parent has forece abilities that the children will share them as well. Hence the line "The force runs strong in your family." For this reason I never saw a problem with either school of thought.

The world is big enough for many different edits.

That's part of the fun of coming here.

Now we all know that in ROTJ:R Leia and Luke will still brother and sister but that doesn't stop people from making other edits or from posting ideas how to do them on the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist Thread.

Will we get any further foreshadowing (other than what is already in the film) in this edit Ady (perhaps in the nature I described a while back)?

Sure is but I've posted it three times now (or rather variations of it) so to go in a fourth time would be kind of rude.

I'll trust in the power of the back page button and if I don't get an answer now it's because the guy is busy, not well (and I hope you are better soon Ady) or just doesn't want to answer.

I'm not the centre of anyone's universe, thank Zod ;-)

in the PT, everything with the jedi, philosphy, sabers, adventures and such, was right on track with how i imagined it. so there's stuff i know the PTR i won't like at all.

still ady, u've been full of surprises. ;)

Sevb32 said:

By the time you get around to the prequels they will be on Blu Ray, with new transfers and a CG Yoda in TPM so the coloring isssues may well be moot.

I say, why bother with the prequels? They are beyond repair. All the skills in the world can't make them work. You can't polish a turd.