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FanFiltration said:

Mitch said:

This is gonna be boss. I am still interested in what you are going to do with 83' extended tv broadcast of the needle injection scene with the Nurse/ Doctor and Checkov. Are you going to cut this scene out?

Earlier this year I had a European clip in widescreen from (so called widescreen broadcast of the TV version) a photo I sent you, we later compared the photo with the fullscreen and found that it was cropped footage much like the BTTF DVD release. So in the end this scene only exists in fullscreen.

Fanfiltration are you going to crop this footage or cut it all together? I am actually hopeing you crop it for reasons of that I don't want any scenes removed. if you are to have a true TV broadcast on widecreen to have this scene missing would be bummer for me. But I would live.

 

Thanks for the response.

I'm keeping an open mind about this shot at this point.  I'm doing a version with the shot removed and another with it cropped. We will run it for a few people and see how it plays.

 

 Thanks for your response Fanfiltration.  Again, I am looking forward to the cut either way and I will respect your call on the scene. You know what you are doing! :-)

jephyork said:

Have you tried "restoring" the left and right sides by recycling the background from earlier in the same shot?  As far as I can recall, it's pretty static...

 

-Jeph

 That is an interesting idea! Fanfiltration is that possible?

Mitch said:

jephyork said:

Have you tried "restoring" the left and right sides by recycling the background from earlier in the same shot?  As far as I can recall, it's pretty static...

 

-Jeph

 

 That is an interesting idea! Fanfiltration is that possible?

I'll give it a shot...

Wait a fucking second are you telling me they did not even bother re-Hiring Darren Dochterman back to redo the effects in 1080p, wtf.

I also heard they did not even bother doing any full restorations of the movies. 

They had Lowry do partial restorations on only Star Trek IV and VIII First Contact. 

So they probably did not even bother going back to the negatives.  Same film prints with all the dirt, and problems.  You could already get these in 720p from the microsoft online service a while back.  Yes they look stunning when compared against their dvd counterparts, especially II wrath of khan.  But the higher the resolution the more noticeable the flaws.

I personally would rather have a little dirt and all the real film grain rather than having them all digitally scrubbed by Lowrys algorithm which has ruined so many films in the past.  Also i hope to god they did not do DVNR.

Hopefully this means we get the Theatrical Star Trek II without the re added back in scenes, or the utterly rediculous Redo of VI with the scooby doo reveal.  I am kind of torn on what earlier version of VI i want though,  because i want the theatrical without the major west revealed as disguised as a Klingon.  and The other added home video scenes.  But i would also like to see that cut as well.  The only version i hate is meyers third cut.

Sound to me they are going the bare bones route when they could release all the tv cuts of the films, theatrical cuts and directors cuts.  And they could have done all new versions with redone new age special effects for those who wanted them.  The films that had a low budget like II that used unused trims of the motion picture could finally get a full budget for special effects.  The film desperetely needing to be recut and reditted from scratch and could use better special effects is V.

This would not be the same as pulling a lucas because the older cuts would also be restored to the same state as the new updated versions.  My example would be the ridley scott blade runner boxset with 5 versions of the film in 1080p.   Still in the case of scott i find it a bit sad that only the final cut got the 4K remaster.  as I like the theatrical cut and the international cut (criterion) better.

My gut says this is the plain release, and the double dip will come a few years from now as the re-restore them one film at a time.  It's what they did for the DVDs.

I can't believe they opted to save money and do the new fx for TMP in 480p.  They had do know sooner or later they were going to need a high def transfer of it.

So what now, they re-redo the effects?  Nitwits.

I watched TMP:DC the other day, and I saw a few scenes where the effects could use just a little tweaking.  Looks like the blue parts on the inside of the nacelles were causing trouble.  For example

1. In drydock, after the pod flies over the saucer, the nacelle on the left side of the screen looks like the blue blended into the blue screen and its has a huge black patch over it.

2. As Spock's shuttle is docking with the E, the nacelles have huge transparent areas!  You can see the stars moving through them.  Also, when Spock's shuttle is leaving, the stars aren't moving at all when they were seconds before.

I don't recall any others, but you could fix those two shots fairly easily if you wanted.  For the Vulcan shuttle leaving, you can even reuse the same shot of the ship coming in, but matte the incoming shuttle out and insert the outgoing one.

Just in case you wanted to go "Revisited" on the movie.

I just got the new hard drive I needed to continue the work on this project.   Having multiple complete versions of TMP as my source, and also trying to edit the film on the same drive was just not working out at all.  Now I hope I can continue without having to stop and re-start every few days to make room.  Hitting technical problems just keeps taking the wind out of my sails, and it's a real tough job getting back into the rhythm. I so want this project to look and sound as good as it can. 

I know it's kind of late in the game to be asking this, but...

Most of the source footage I'm using for picture is in 4:3 letterbox format (The HD 79' theatrical cut), and the rest is from the Director's cut DVD (including scenes and shots from that dvd's extras section) presented in 16:9 letterbox.  I had to down size the Director's cut DVD footage and extras to 4:3.  That kind of sucks, and I would rather blow up the 4:3 to 16:9.  Is there a way of doing this without making the 4:3 source fottage look like crap after it has been converted to 16:9?

I think I have a 16:9 version of the '79 theatrical cut. I'll check and post back here.

This is good to know thanks guys.  I'll keep working as I have been, and when the edit is done, I'll up size the finished edit to anamorphic, or ask one of you to help me out with that phase.  I don't want to get hung up on that aspect of the project yet, I just want to get all the scenes put together first and get the sound right.  There is one section that has been a real problem for some reason to the get audio synced up.  That is the scene in Kirks office where Kirk asks Decker why his phaser order to Chekov had been countermanded.  This scene is a real bitch for some reason.

Hey Fanfiltration

Man! This is gonna be great.

I am really interested in seeing what you are going to do to sync the audio up with the scene mentioned above (office scene)

I am sure you will figure it out.

Can't wait!

Good News!

The first hour of the widescreen Special Longer Version of the film is now completed (and the master files have been saved). That scene in Kirk's Office / Quarters that had been giving me some problems is now sound perfect.  We also did some color correction where we had to join video footage from the Director's Cut and Theatrical cut together in the same scene. 98% of the space special effects shots are taken from the Directors Cut DVD print, except places where special effects shots had been re-made exclusively for the Director's Version. All the other effects shots are taken from a source of a widescreen HD-Broadcast of the Theatrical 79' version. All audio for this version is taken from the stereo laserdisc of the 1983 Special Longer Version. Keeping faithful to the original sound mix.  I'll be working all night tonight on the second hour and report back in when that is done.

We hope to get out a Xvid version of this version sometime in the next few weeks.  We may just save the isolated soundtrack and other audio extras for a full DVD release.

This project is going to be re-titled as a 30th Anniversary Set.

Sweet!  I'm so looking forward to this!

Wow! I can't wait. I am interested to finally see the longer version in widescreen.

We have been working for the last week, and are very pleased with how this project is now turning out.

For all our effort, we have a completed Special Longer Version in Letterbox done. But, we feel we can still improve on the picture quality.

I'll be working on this most on today to see what I can do.  I should try re-encoding the source video with a lossless encoder now that I have a lot more drive space to play with, and also cut the DV codec out of the loop all together.

Full ahead Warp factor 6!

It will be fantastic to have the longer version in widescreen.

Especially considering no one has even ever done a preservation of the pan and scan full frame laserdisc on dvd.

Will be nice to finally have the version i like the best of the movie on dvd.

I had the laserdisc but i no longer own it.  Will most likely have to buy another rot free copy, which is hard to find.  This movie like the first star wars pan and scan clv release is a bad rotter.

The nineties re-issue is on vhs.  It may even have digital sound not sure.  Still from what i read it is taken from the same video master and is not remastered at all.

After having Laserdisc and DVD in no way can i ever go back to the crappy soft image on vhs.

I had my vcr hooked up a little while back and was astonished just how bad vhs quality is and yet for most of my life that is how i watched movies.

Too bad beta had to die as it was a better format in terms of picture quality. 

Just Like SuperVHS never really took off and even the ones that came after that.  No movies were ever really available.

 Well good news.  The new codec I tried out last night worked just fine, and the picture looks great! The new edit is all done, and being encoded as I type this.  I worked 14 hours straight on this just to get it done.  I felt if I was to stop, it would never get done. 

We should be able to post the bare bones xvid of this "Special Longer Version" edit in under a week.  Sorry to everyone who has been waiting for this for so long, but I'm sure you will be happy with what we have done.   Remember, this "Special Longer Version" is just one third of the  STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE MEGA SET".  It will go along with two further fan edits of TMP done by FanFiltration (an improved Theatrical Cut, and my personal FanFiltration re-edit of the film). There will be a 3 disk duel-layer DVD release of All 3 edits with isolated score tracks, unique commenary tracks, rare interviews, press kit, publicity photos, tie-in product gallery, and lots more that will be released sometime in the near future.

jephyork said:

Fantastic news!  By the way, how did you deal with that one shot that's not fully available in widescreen?  Did you recycle the background from previous footage?

 

-Jeph!

I found that 2 second shot on the broadcast widescreen teatrical cut, so it's included. I don't know how I had missed it before.

Also, I made a DVD-R of this edit last night, and my buddy and I are going to watch this monster today to make sure it's ready for an xvid pre-release.

jephyork said:

 

I found that 2 second shot on the broadcast widescreen teatrical cut, so it's included. I don't know how I had missed it before.

 

COOL.  I was worried for a while that this would be an "almost-exactly-restored-except-for-two-seconds" version...

 

 

I made a DVD-R of this edit last night, and my buddy and I are going to watch this monster today to make sure it's ready for an xvid pre-release.

 

Good luck!  Say, did you include that minute-forty of black screen with music at the very start?

 

-Jeph!

Yes, we did include the (black background) Overture with Ilia's theme.

The edit runs a total of 2 hour and 24 Min., that is 60 seconds more then is listed on the VHS version of the S.L.V.