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Dunedain said:

PaulisDead2221: Among the many SE scenes in the 2004 DVD set that are being replaced with the unaltered 2006 GOUT DVD scenes, is the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader on the Death Star, where Lucas messed with the appearance of the lightsabers to be like the prequels in the 2004 SE, on that list to be replaced with the original unaltered scene? :)

I'm trying to figure out what they changed with the lightsabers.  They don't appear to be fixed or prequelized in any way I can see.  What do you mean?  I've reworked a couple shots to make sure their lightsabers remained mistakenly unlit, as they did in a couple of shots pre-SE.

I've finally managed to get a hold of the 5.1 laserdisc rip from the 1997 special edition.  I'm going with Moth3r's idea to use Belbucas' preserved theatrical stereo mix, decoded, to tempur the 1997 mix to the original theatrical cut.  Right now, I'm in the process of syncing it the GOUT.  Does anyone know of a way to parse a dolby surround stereo track into its decoded surround channels?  I need to separate the stereo track into its individual waves.

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I've been meaning to try this for ages but never got around to it.

I think it's desirable in this case to use the genuine Dolby decoding process, and not any old generic upmix algorithm.

But AFAIK there is no simple way to get a Dolby Prologic upmix in software. The methods I've seen on Doom9 (actually for DPL II which gives a 5.1 upmix, but the same method should also be applicable for a DPL 4.0 upmix) use the audio decoder filter present in WinDVD or PowerDVD, inserted into a filter chain in Graphedit, with the output directed to a set of WAV files.

Guides here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57736
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83384

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PaulisDead2221: Obi-Wan's lightsaber has always been of a lightish cool blue color, with a natural flowing quality to it that looks great. Look at the picture of Obi-Wan by my name, that's the true appearance of his lightsaber. In the SE they changed it to give it a darker blue color and in the 2004 SE it looks more like that solid form you see in the prequels, giving it an artificial appearance. They did something similar to Vader's lightsaber in the SE. Also, if I recall correctly, the color isn't even as red as it should be in the 2004 DVD set, that's on top of the prequel-like changes they made to it.

zombie84 knows a good bit about this, perhaps he can describe it in more detail. But Lucas definitely messed with them in the 2004 even-more-SE set.

So hopefully this will be replaced with the correct footage from the GOUT in the Star Wars Vintage Edit, since this is a restoration of Star Wars from before the SE. :)

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I'd hate to toss an entire HD shot over an artificial looking saber.  But at the same time I don't want to introduce new elements like rotoscoping.  I'll tell you what I might be able to do.  I might be able to chroma key out the 2004 saber, with the GOUT underneath it, and see if the true saber will show through the keyed out area.  That's what I did for one shot where Obiwan's saber is purple.  Keyed out the purple, and got a nice looking saber underneath.  I'll see what I can do.

And I thought I was almost done [sad face].

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The sad thing is that there must be thousands, perhaps millions, of people who have seen the 2004 DVDs and were shocked by the colors. You don't have to be a super duper hardcore Star Wars geek to know that Vader's lightsaber isn't pink, Yoda is not radioactive green, snow is not blue, Luke's saber in SW is not green, etc... It's great for those of us who have found this site to know there are fixes available, but man, there must be a ton of people out there still scratching their heads over the collosal blunder that is that 2004 set. :p I'm sure that [some of] those who have looked into it a bit don't buy LFL's excuses, either.

To that end, um...we're all rooting for you, Paul! ;)

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I had always thought Lucasfilm said the Blue White Saber of Kenobi in Star Wars '77 was a prototype Lightsaber and they never had the time or money to get it right or how they wanted it to look. It always looked Like a spinning rod with 3M motion picture screen tape on it.

Yes if you want it to look how it looked in 1977 you would reproduce the Unfinished Saber that was Painstaking Animated frame by frame onto the film, Although you would still have that funny scene were his saber turns off in the duel and you see the prop in Guiness hand,lol.

Going Back in and redoing it they wanted to make the saber consistant with empire strikes back and return of the jedi.  But then they decided to Prequel-ize the sabers and the Colors as well, that was shit.

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Well, for what it's worth, the dvd documentary extras have several shots of the duel before the 2004 changes were made. They're anamorphic at least, (from the 1997 version I guess) so maybe they'd be better to work with than the GOUT? 

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It might be very difficult to try and restore the accurate lightsabers while still using the 2004 DVD footage for the scene without it looking like it's been altered in some way. Probably better to just replace the entire duel (from the time the lightsabers are first activated by Vader and Obi-Wan to the end when the blast doors close in front of Vader), either with the GOUT footage or perhaps use the 97 SE video for the entire scene.

This is just like the situation with Jabba's palace in Return of the Jedi, where the entire SE-changed scene needs to be completely replaced with the correct GOUT footage in order to restore the scene to the way it should be.

If the lightsaber appearance in the duel in the 97 SE is accurate to the GOUT, then the 97 SE video will do very nicely. :) Max_Rebo is currently working on putting together the highest quality 97 SE DVD set he can. He has very high quality 97 SE video that is even above NTSC DVD resolution, the TB video capture quality is great. This video is in PAL format, but after it's been adjusted to the correct NTSC video frame rate and the aspect ratio has been adjusted to match the 2004 DVD (which I think Max_Rebo may have already done by now), it should drop in perfectly and match up exactly with the 2004 DVD video from before and after the duel. Perhaps Max_Rebo can supply the video you need for the duel (as well as others scenes for Star Wars and the rest of the trilogy you are working on). You can read about his project in the thread below. :)

 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Max-Rebos-97-SE-superset-preservation/topic/9031/

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So your going to release an HD version of this? That would be NICE...but maybe you ought to use Ady's color corrected edition as the primary source so you don't have to mess with that as much. You could probably ask him for his 16GB encode.

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So... care to update us on your latest efforts to recreate the 6-track mix?

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So... care to update us on your latest efforts to recreate the 6-track mix?

 

First, it took me a week to find the Intervideo Audio Processor Fx filter in graphedit.  Didn't matter how many times or ways I tried to install WinDVD.  Ugh.  I tried creating custom matrices, based on the dolby surround matrix, in different processors, no luck.  Finally, I just used ac3 decoder, and it worked!  I seperated the channels that I can use as the base for rebuilding the portions of the soundtrack needed.  A mixture of these tracks, and the isolated score, should sound great.

Unfortunately, as I reopened my project in Premiere, all my .avs files were offline.  When I tried to re-associate them with the appropriate files on my hard drive, premiere said a codec was missing.  In trying to get the Intervideo Audio Processor, one attempt I had made involved uninstalling my codec pack (which works great for me, although I know you're not supposed to use codec packs), and installing a different one.  Even after reinstalling my old codec pack (or what I believe I remembered was my old codec pack), I'm still getting a "missing codec" with the .avs files.  I've googled this as best I can, but I can't seem to figure it out.

And to think I thought I was almost done...blegh.

Come to think of it, I'm going to be getting an external hard drive back from Trooperman very soon.  Perhaps if I don't figure it out by then, I can just encode my .avs scripts as lossless .avis, and reassociate my project files with the lossless .avis.  I'll have the hard drive space.

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ffdshow, with the VFW module?

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PaulisDead2221: Yeah, go for the highest quality you can on the master files you are working with. Then once everything has been restored to a pre-SE state, it can be converted to the proper format for playing on set top DVD players hooked up to t.v.'s.

You only want to do one encode after all the work is done, to avoid any unnecessary compression artifacts. The less re-encodes the better. :)

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Molly said:

ffdshow, with the VFW module?

 

I'm familiar with ffdshow, but what of the VFW module?  Tell me more :)

Okay, nothing to panic about.  I just had to reinstall amvap for some reason, but I lost my misc filters, which just means I have to reload plugins/replace plugins in my directories/scripts.  Phew.  Back on track.

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The VFW piece used to be called FFVFW, it was all the FFDSHOW codecs in a package Virtual Dub could handle.

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Nice of you to think of me :)

I'm working on the opening shot when I can, then I think I'm done.  After editing I just need to get an encode to not fail.  Once I get my machine cleared of conflicting codecs, it should work.

School was sucking majorly.  One class was "voluntarily" 12 hours long, meeting twice a week.  This with work and trying to apply to a school that isn't this damn community college, it got rough.  I'm trying to do a bunch of stuff during winter break, and this is one of them.

The surround mix is also nearly completed.  Most everything has been reverted to its pre-1997/pre-1993 surround sound glory.  I just need to finish off the battle of Yavin.

[sigh] anyway, I thought a Christmas release might happen, but I know how bad "post editing" always is for me.  I'll see if I can pull it off.

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PaulisDead2221: You mean you have almost all of A New Hope de-SE'd and it's nearly ready for release? :) Has the duel between Obi-Wan and Vader in the 2004 SE been replaced with the unaltered footage (original unaltered lightsabers) from either the GOUT or video captured from the 97 SE laserdisk of A New Hope? :)

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PaulisDead2221: Any updates on this very cool project? :) Can't wait to see it. :)

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PaulisDead2221: Any updates on Star Wars - The Vintage Edit? This has to be one of the most anticipated projects on the forum, any little tid bit would be of great interest. :)

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