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Anyone else here have a love/hate relation with Revenge of the sith ? — Page 2
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Originally posted by: Baronlando
(If they ever release them, I wonder if many fans will buy them and then just fade away.)
(If they ever release them, I wonder if many fans will buy them and then just fade away.)
Who says that isn't exactly what LFL is afraid of? Maybe I'm putting the OOT up on too high of a pedestal, but then again there was that quote from the Wired magazine guy back in September of '06, "they're not going to make the fan happy because the happy fan has everything he needs. They will kill the goose that laid the golden egg, they will cook it, they will eat it and they will sell the bones on Ebay."
I can't honestly say what I would or would not do, simply because I don't know the future. But when I take a huge step back and look at the big picture I would say that yes, I probably would fade away from Star Wars if the OOT were finally restored. I have other books to read and other movies to watch.
Like I said before, I'm becoming more and more convinced that Lucas has finally gotten the picture in regards to the place of the OOT. I'm being cautiously optimistic that we'll all finally get what we want for the next release, but I'm not holding my breath (as has often been said).
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Originally posted by: Baronlando
(If they ever release them, I wonder if many fans will buy them and then just fade away.)
(If they ever release them, I wonder if many fans will buy them and then just fade away.)
Count me in as one of those fans. I check in frequently on SW forums for one reason: any rumor, blurb, quote, anything regarding the OOT coming out on DVD or BluRay, remastered ofcourse. I do enjoy talking about the movies, even dissecting the PT movies too, but if Lucas would have released the OOT the right way back in '06, I probably would have walked away from SW fandom, the same way I did in 1983 after ROTJ came out: Satisfied. Oh well, only time will tell......
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Originally posted by: Mielr
I agree. I've only seen the film once and have really had no desire to see it again.
Originally posted by: C3PX
I can honestly say that there is nothing I love about ROTS.
I can honestly say that there is nothing I love about ROTS.
I agree. I've only seen the film once and have really had no desire to see it again.
I saw it once in the theaters and once when the DVD came out, but I just haven't cared to watch it again. I skipped through ADM's edit last year, but that's the last I've seen of it. I am waiting for the Starkiller Ranch edit to come out before I watch it again.
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Originally posted by: Baronlando
(If they ever release them, I wonder if many fans will buy them and then just fade away.)
(If they ever release them, I wonder if many fans will buy them and then just fade away.)
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if the OOT gets released, I think it might increase my interest in Star Wars again.
As we go longer and longer without a respectably-presented version of the OOT, I feel more and more insulted by Lucas and his lack of respect for some of his fans. If he can repair that relationship by releasing the OOT, I'll feel more comfortable about the other parts of the SW franchise. I might start buying action figures again. And I might even be able to get back into the books.
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But back to Revenge of the Sith, it's almost 3 years old now, and kids seem to still be buying the toys, they must have done something right. Contrast that with 1985/6 when they couldn't get kids to buy Star Wars stuff at gunpoint.
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if the OOT gets released, I think it might increase my interest in Star Wars again.
As we go longer and longer without a respectably-presented version of the OOT, I feel more and more insulted by Lucas and his lack of respect for some of his fans. If he can repair that relationship by releasing the OOT, I'll feel more comfortable about the other parts of the SW franchise. I might start buying action figures again. And I might even be able to get back into the books.
Originally posted by: Baronlando
Yeah, I could go that way too. I see Star Wars stuff in the store, and just reflexively I'm turned off because I can't understand how a Vader Mr. potato head is deemed worthy of the cost and effort of designing, manufacturing, packaging, shipping, but a restoration of the actual movie isn't.
I agree.Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if the OOT gets released, I think it might increase my interest in Star Wars again.
As we go longer and longer without a respectably-presented version of the OOT, I feel more and more insulted by Lucas and his lack of respect for some of his fans. If he can repair that relationship by releasing the OOT, I'll feel more comfortable about the other parts of the SW franchise. I might start buying action figures again. And I might even be able to get back into the books.
Originally posted by: Baronlando
Yeah, I could go that way too. I see Star Wars stuff in the store, and just reflexively I'm turned off because I can't understand how a Vader Mr. potato head is deemed worthy of the cost and effort of designing, manufacturing, packaging, shipping, but a restoration of the actual movie isn't.
The OOT not being properly released has definitely put a damper on my enthusiasm for anything related to the films. It's just really hard to excited about collectibles when I'm so bitter about the whole DVD situation.
I would have a much better attitude about all of the silly toys, etc., if the OOT was released on blu-ray, but as it stands now, all the stupid Mr. Potato Heads or whatever just piss me off to no end when I see them.
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Originally posted by: Baronlando
But back to Revenge of the Sith, it's almost 3 years old now, and kids seem to still be buying the toys, they must have done something right.
But back to Revenge of the Sith, it's almost 3 years old now, and kids seem to still be buying the toys, they must have done something right.
Like I said recently, I had to witness this shit firsthand several days a week when I was working at the Lego store. The only conclusion I could come to is that their parents are probably in their 30's and they all probably grew up with the original movies and therefore showed it to their kids.
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Originally posted by: Fang Zei
Like I said recently, I had to witness this shit firsthand several days a week when I was working at the Lego store. The only conclusion I could come to is that their parents are probably in their 30's and they all probably grew up with the original movies and therefore showed it to their kids.
Originally posted by: Baronlando
But back to Revenge of the Sith, it's almost 3 years old now, and kids seem to still be buying the toys, they must have done something right.
But back to Revenge of the Sith, it's almost 3 years old now, and kids seem to still be buying the toys, they must have done something right.
Like I said recently, I had to witness this shit firsthand several days a week when I was working at the Lego store. The only conclusion I could come to is that their parents are probably in their 30's and they all probably grew up with the original movies and therefore showed it to their kids.
Guilty as charged. Even though I'm bitter, I won't let that stand in the way of my 5 year old's enjoyment of Star Wars.
I will say that at least epiosde 3 TRIES to relate to the OT, even though it's half-assed and unsatisfying.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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"I know you would. I can feel your anger, it gives you focus, makes you STRONGER!"
It always gives me chills. Just the way he seemingly alters his voice and persona.
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I love it when I watch it with the Backstroke of the West subtitles, and I hate it otherwise.
Not that either is an active occurence. I've seen it twice as-is, and once with the BotW subtitles.
Pink Floyd -- First in Space
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Guilty as charged. Even though I'm bitter, I won't let that stand in the way of my 5 year old's enjoyment of Star Wars.
Guilty as charged. Even though I'm bitter, I won't let that stand in the way of my 5 year old's enjoyment of Star Wars.
The fact that you post here makes up for it and then some.
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A bit more dignity and variety in the jedi fighting styles would have ben VERY welcome.
Count Dooku approaches captured Palpatine and his two Jedi liberators;
glances at set of stairs to the right, glances at set of stairs to the left;
digital double does a 'whipper hopper' over railing; ignites lightsaber in flight;
lands and says "HAHA!" - *snore* -_-
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Don't get me wrong - it's not the worst of the PT movies - that would be TPM. No, ROTS pisses me off because this was the payoff movie. This was supposed to tie everything up beautifully. This was supposed to deliver a punch to the gut.
Where were the shocks? Where was the actual tragedy? We were shown everything and yet we understood nothing. Anakin just kinda turned bad for no real reason - his justification for turning to the darkside was Padme. Yet, in the end he tried to kill her.
The Phantom Editor was 100% correct in saying that Lucas' serious problem as a mature filmmaker is that the "good guys" are really good and the "bad guys" are really bad. If we get a young adult Anakin in Episode I, and his character is properly established as an anti-hero with a lot of grey area, his character can evolve into evil for all of Ep. I and II, rather than a quick flash of evil in the middle of Ep. II.
Lucas built many parallels from the OT into the PT - so why not establish Palpatine's mentorship of Anakin right at the start of Ep. I, as Obi-Wan was in the OT with Luke?
Dialog problems, sophmoric/unsubtle humor, and overreliance on digital effects are rife throughout the PT (amongst many other problems), but the ultimate failure of the PT is most closely tied to the inability to properly flesh out the two critical characters, Anakin and Palpatine. ROTS emphasizes that failure more than the other two PT films.
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vote_for_palpatine said:
Don't get me wrong - it's not the worst of the PT movies - that would be TPM. No, ROTS pisses me off because this was the payoff movie. This was supposed to tie everything up beautifully. This was supposed to deliver a punch to the gut.
Don't get me wrong - it's not the worst of the PT movies - that would be TPM. No, ROTS pisses me off because this was the payoff movie. This was supposed to tie everything up beautifully. This was supposed to deliver a punch to the gut.
Given how the series had been developed in TPM and AOTC, ROTS far surpassed my expectations. I mean, yeah, it should have been a punch in the gut, tragic, moving, make you cry, etc--but how could that have been POSSIBLE when its TPM Part 3 and AOTC Part 2?? The first two episodes were of such low quality that in a best case scenario--realistically--ROTS would be only be "good" or "above average", which I think it more or less was. I mean did people really expect that the guy who concieved Jar Jar, wrote "I hate sand", and cast Hayden Christensen would all of a sudden write Hamlet and direct Schinlders List?? I think fans were deluding themselves. The boring plot and terrible characterisatino of AOTC put instrinsic limits on the potential Episode III ever could have; we already disliked the characters and were put off by the storyline, so it would be impossible for the continuation in Episode III to ever be as good as we imagined it. ROTS was a pleasant surprise to me, because I expected it to be a piece of shit the way AOTC was, and Lucas got his stuff together and made a movie that was heavily flawed but still entertaining on some emotional level, however thin, and thats a bit impressive considering the place he set himself up with at the end of Episode II.
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zombie84 said:
Given how the series had been developed in TPM and AOTC, ROTS far surpassed my expectations. I mean, yeah, it should have been a punch in the gut, tragic, moving, make you cry, etc--but how could that have been POSSIBLE when its TPM Part 3 and AOTC Part 2?? The first two episodes were of such low quality that in a best case scenario--realistically--ROTS would be only be "good" or "above average", which I think it more or less was. I mean did people really expect that the guy who concieved Jar Jar, wrote "I hate sand", and cast Hayden Christensen would all of a sudden write Hamlet and direct Schinlders List?? I think fans were deluding themselves. The boring plot and terrible characterisatino of AOTC put instrinsic limits on the potential Episode III ever could have; we already disliked the characters and were put off by the storyline, so it would be impossible for the continuation in Episode III to ever be as good as we imagined it. ROTS was a pleasant surprise to me, because I expected it to be a piece of shit the way AOTC was, and Lucas got his stuff together and made a movie that was heavily flawed but still entertaining on some emotional level, however thin, and thats a bit impressive considering the place he set himself up with at the end of Episode II.
vote_for_palpatine said:
Don't get me wrong - it's not the worst of the PT movies - that would be TPM. No, ROTS pisses me off because this was the payoff movie. This was supposed to tie everything up beautifully. This was supposed to deliver a punch to the gut.
Don't get me wrong - it's not the worst of the PT movies - that would be TPM. No, ROTS pisses me off because this was the payoff movie. This was supposed to tie everything up beautifully. This was supposed to deliver a punch to the gut.
Given how the series had been developed in TPM and AOTC, ROTS far surpassed my expectations. I mean, yeah, it should have been a punch in the gut, tragic, moving, make you cry, etc--but how could that have been POSSIBLE when its TPM Part 3 and AOTC Part 2?? The first two episodes were of such low quality that in a best case scenario--realistically--ROTS would be only be "good" or "above average", which I think it more or less was. I mean did people really expect that the guy who concieved Jar Jar, wrote "I hate sand", and cast Hayden Christensen would all of a sudden write Hamlet and direct Schinlders List?? I think fans were deluding themselves. The boring plot and terrible characterisatino of AOTC put instrinsic limits on the potential Episode III ever could have; we already disliked the characters and were put off by the storyline, so it would be impossible for the continuation in Episode III to ever be as good as we imagined it. ROTS was a pleasant surprise to me, because I expected it to be a piece of shit the way AOTC was, and Lucas got his stuff together and made a movie that was heavily flawed but still entertaining on some emotional level, however thin, and thats a bit impressive considering the place he set himself up with at the end of Episode II.
I agree that a terrible precedent had been set in the first two movies. I also agree that my expectations weren't high, though my hopes certainly were. Despite these parameters, there were opportunities to build some tension into the movie. Instead of conveniently knocking out Obi-Wan, he could have been conscious to see Anakin behead Dooku, thus creating a conflict that festers throughout the movie. Or Palpatine could have convinced Anakin that the "espionage" mission was Obi-Wan's idea.
We need reasons to suspend disbelief. When Anakin turns on his so-called best friend without any reason beyond a fealty to a new power - power he wanted to save Padme's life despite the fact that he later tried to choke her to death - it doesn't ring true to me. ROTS asked more of its audience than its predecessors but didn't deliver anything more.
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