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Don't drag the OT down along with you PT !
What do you think ?
Don't drag the OT down along with you PT !
What do you think ?
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Why do PT defenders and such keep claiming the OT was badly written as well ?!
Don't drag the OT down along with you PT !
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Maybe having grown up with the movies I am a little biased, but I have always found the plot of the OT to be very tangible, the acting to be decent enough, and the dialogue has never seemed lame to me.
As far as films go, I would say Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back are about as near perfect as you get. The reason why they are so popular and elements of them have become popular culture, is because so many people went to see them. Why? Because they were great films. They were not summer blockbusters that were forgotton a short time later. Do you think we will be quoting lines such as "This is Sparta!" 30 years from now? Not likely. But I have no doubt people will still be quoting the OT 30 years from now.
At anyrate, the OT was very well written. People who claim the PT is just as well written as the OT have no idea what they are talking about.
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I like the prequels, and my usual response to anyone who gives me shit about it is never "well, the OT sucked too"... my response is "fuck you, I'll give a damn what you think when you think like I do". I'm a real teddy-bear that way.
I have never heard anyone defend their like of the prequels by bashing the OT. (I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying that in my years of Star Wars fandom, I've never once heard that.) I'd pretty much have to slap anyone that said that. I mean, like whatever you want, but don't try to elevate it beyond what it is. I loved the Doom movie, but I'm not going to try to butter it up as anything other than an intellectually-vapid action flick.
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I truly love SW/ESB, and enjoy ROTJ cause it completes the trilogy, but you won't hear me defending ROTJ saying that SW/ESB have 'ewok' moments too to justify it. There is a reason I love SW/ESB, cause I think they are flawless movies, and that is just my opinion, but when people say they are SW fans, and then say all of them have their flaws with bad dialogue, bad acting, etc, I wonder what made you become a SW fan if you have so many problems with all the movies?
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That was my main reason for leaving another SW messageboard (before finding this one). Actually, the nimrods there were professing the superiority of the PT over the OT.
I really don't see how anyone can actually believe that the dialogue in the OT was as bad as the dialog in the PT. None of the SW movies were perfect but there are some truly wonderful, funny, touching, memorable lines in the OT.
I don't recall the exact quote, but I remember seeing Roger Ebert review AOTC on his TV show, and he said something to the effect of "I can't imagine anyone reciting a line from this movie with any joy". That pretty much sums it up.
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Originally posted by: C3PX
Yeah, I remember the defense for the Phantom Menace was that, it is a Star Wars movie and so the plot isn't suppose to make sense. Then later after episode two came out, acting, come on, it is a Star Wars movie, it is suppose to be bad acting. Lame dialogue, come on it is a Star Wars movie, it is suppose to have lame dialogue.
Maybe having grown up with the movies I am a little biased, but I have always found the plot of the OT to be very tangible, the acting to be decent enough, and the dialogue has never seemed lame to me.
As far as films go, I would say Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back are about as near perfect as you get. The reason why they are so popular and elements of them have become popular culture, is because so many people went to see them. Why? Because they were great films. They were not summer blockbusters that were forgotton a short time later. Do you think we will be quoting lines such as "This is Sparta!" 30 years from now? Not likely. But I have no doubt people will still be quoting the OT 30 years from now.
At anyrate, the OT was very well written. People who claim the PT is just as well written as the OT have no idea what they are talking about.
Yeah, I remember the defense for the Phantom Menace was that, it is a Star Wars movie and so the plot isn't suppose to make sense. Then later after episode two came out, acting, come on, it is a Star Wars movie, it is suppose to be bad acting. Lame dialogue, come on it is a Star Wars movie, it is suppose to have lame dialogue.
Maybe having grown up with the movies I am a little biased, but I have always found the plot of the OT to be very tangible, the acting to be decent enough, and the dialogue has never seemed lame to me.
As far as films go, I would say Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back are about as near perfect as you get. The reason why they are so popular and elements of them have become popular culture, is because so many people went to see them. Why? Because they were great films. They were not summer blockbusters that were forgotton a short time later. Do you think we will be quoting lines such as "This is Sparta!" 30 years from now? Not likely. But I have no doubt people will still be quoting the OT 30 years from now.
At anyrate, the OT was very well written. People who claim the PT is just as well written as the OT have no idea what they are talking about.
I agree.
Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.
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They also serve to show how bad SW could have been. One of the reasons SW was so good is that it was edited masterfully. The SW scenes on the cutting room floor are IMO uniformly awful, including of course the ones put back in for the SE (one thing the SE does, is painfully illustrate how good the original editing was, and how close to catastrophe SW was skating). The story was cheesy B stuff, edited into a tight, effective movie that holds its atmosphere and pop for the entire run. Just read the Lucas novel... the dialogue is overdrawn and clumsy compared to the movie. For dialogue to be good, you need good tight editing, and enough strong takes from which to edit.
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Originally posted by: Puggo - Jar Jar's "Yoda"
"flyboy" reminds me of "ex-squeeze-me"
"flyboy" reminds me of "ex-squeeze-me"
Really? I don't see the connection.
I guess we don't really use the term "flyboy" anymore, but at the time it was an appropriate word for a pilot like Han. It may be dated, but I don't really find anything urking about the line.
"Ex-squeeze-me" on the other hand, besides being a really urking drive-spikes-into-my-ears painful line spoken in an annoying way by an awful character, the term itself is a 90s pop culture reference from Wayne's World. After hearing Jar-Jar Say Ex-squeese-me I half expected Anakin to be ask Padme "Do I make you horny baby?" and for Yoda to start screaming some nonsense about a van down by the river.
But sure, not everyline in the OT was pure poetry, but even Shakespeare's work suffers from less than perfect dialogue at times (we just don't notice it because we are taught that Shakespeare is the definition of perfect writing).
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
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STAR WARS HOMING BEACON - The Official StarWars.com Newsletter2008-03-06 - Issue #217
Welcome back to the Homing Beacon, the official newsletter of starwars.com. QUIZBOOK REVISITED What a difference a quarter-century makes. Earlier this week, with the help of the fan community, StarWars.com finally found Rusty Miller, the author who penned 1982's The Jedi Master's Quizbook: 425 Comics Questions & Answers About Star Wars & The Empire Strikes Back. He was 11 years old at the time, and the object of much fan envy and discussion. Come the Internet age, and he seemed to vanish.
Now, the book itself: as the years have added more and more Star Warslore, it seems a bit quaint to look through a 1982 trivia book,especially one that contains its contents to just two movies. Here's a look at some of the simpler questions, and how 25 years of added Star Wars history have made for not-so-simple answers.
Q: Where was Princess Leia from?
A (1982): Alderaan
A (2008): Polis Massa is her place of birth, though she was raised in Aldera on Alderaan.
Q: What vehicle did Luke drive on Tatooine?
A (1982): A landspeeder
A (2008): A SoroSuub X-34 landspeeder, in addition to an Incom T-16Skyhopper, and conceivably, a SoroSuub Courier V-35 landspeeder or a Mobquet SX-14 field hover-ute if required.
Q: What was Leia's starship called at the beginning of Star Wars?
A (1982): Blockade Runner
A (2008): It was originally christened the Star of Alderaan before having its name changed to the Tantive IV. Production referred to the vehicle as a "Rebel starfighter," a "Galactic Cruiser," and a "Rebelblockade runner" at various times throughout the making of Star Wars, while the term "Alderaan star cruiser" was also used during themaking of Episode III.
Q: What were the names of Luke's two friends who had already enteredthe Academy?
A (1982): Biggs and Tank
A (2008): Biggs Darklighter and Janek Sunber.
Q: What made Vader's TIE fighter different from other fighters?
A (1982): It had (curved) or angular wings
A (2008): Vader's x1 prototype had a more robust space frame, particulary at the pylon points where the solar gather panelsc onnect. The panels themselves are longer, and angled. Unlike the standard TIE of the line, the TIE x1 featured deflector shields and a limited class 4 hyperdrive. Its increased range gave the x1 five consumable days of non-combat flight time, as opposed to a TIE fighter's two-day yield. A standard TIE featured a pair of SienarFleet Systems L-s1 laser cannons, while the x1 had L-s9.3 cannons. Powering the standard TIE was an SFS I-a2b solar ionization reactor and SFS P-s4 twin ion engines, while the x1 featured the SFS 1-S3a and SFS P-s5.6 counterparts, respectively.
Welcome back to the Homing Beacon, the official newsletter of starwars.com. QUIZBOOK REVISITED What a difference a quarter-century makes. Earlier this week, with the help of the fan community, StarWars.com finally found Rusty Miller, the author who penned 1982's The Jedi Master's Quizbook: 425 Comics Questions & Answers About Star Wars & The Empire Strikes Back. He was 11 years old at the time, and the object of much fan envy and discussion. Come the Internet age, and he seemed to vanish.
Now, the book itself: as the years have added more and more Star Warslore, it seems a bit quaint to look through a 1982 trivia book,especially one that contains its contents to just two movies. Here's a look at some of the simpler questions, and how 25 years of added Star Wars history have made for not-so-simple answers.
Q: Where was Princess Leia from?
A (1982): Alderaan
A (2008): Polis Massa is her place of birth, though she was raised in Aldera on Alderaan.
Q: What vehicle did Luke drive on Tatooine?
A (1982): A landspeeder
A (2008): A SoroSuub X-34 landspeeder, in addition to an Incom T-16Skyhopper, and conceivably, a SoroSuub Courier V-35 landspeeder or a Mobquet SX-14 field hover-ute if required.
Q: What was Leia's starship called at the beginning of Star Wars?
A (1982): Blockade Runner
A (2008): It was originally christened the Star of Alderaan before having its name changed to the Tantive IV. Production referred to the vehicle as a "Rebel starfighter," a "Galactic Cruiser," and a "Rebelblockade runner" at various times throughout the making of Star Wars, while the term "Alderaan star cruiser" was also used during themaking of Episode III.
Q: What were the names of Luke's two friends who had already enteredthe Academy?
A (1982): Biggs and Tank
A (2008): Biggs Darklighter and Janek Sunber.
Q: What made Vader's TIE fighter different from other fighters?
A (1982): It had (curved) or angular wings
A (2008): Vader's x1 prototype had a more robust space frame, particulary at the pylon points where the solar gather panelsc onnect. The panels themselves are longer, and angled. Unlike the standard TIE of the line, the TIE x1 featured deflector shields and a limited class 4 hyperdrive. Its increased range gave the x1 five consumable days of non-combat flight time, as opposed to a TIE fighter's two-day yield. A standard TIE featured a pair of SienarFleet Systems L-s1 laser cannons, while the x1 had L-s9.3 cannons. Powering the standard TIE was an SFS I-a2b solar ionization reactor and SFS P-s4 twin ion engines, while the x1 featured the SFS 1-S3a and SFS P-s5.6 counterparts, respectively.
Damn EU. Somethings are best left to the imagination.
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"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape