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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: HotRod

I think we're all reading too much into one little line of dialog!



That may be the case. Maybe there's something obvious that we're all missing.


Yeah, that Luke can't remember his mother and Leia can!

That's it.

End of!

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Maybe I don't care. What prequels?


lol. my thoughts exactly.
thank the maker
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: HotRod

I think we're all reading too much into one little line of dialog!



That may be the case. Maybe there's something obvious that we're all missing.


Yeah, that Luke can't remember his mother and Leia can!

That's it.

End of!



Yeah, that actually is a good way of explaining it.
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I just checked the ROTJ novelization. Here is what it says regarding the subject:
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He looked down at their intertwined fingers. "Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?

The question took her totally by surprise. She'd always felt so close to her adopted parents, it was as if they were her real parents. She almost never thought of her real mother - that was like a dream.

Yet now Luke's question made her start. Flashes from her infancy assaulted her. - distorted visions of running... a beautiful woman... hiding in a trunk. The fragments suddenly threatened to flood her with emotion.

"Yes," she said, pausing to regain her composure. "Just a little bit. She died when I was very young."

"What do you remember?" he pressed. "Tell me."

"Just feelings, really... images." She wanted to let it slide, it was so out of the blue, so far from her immediate concerns... but somehow so loud inside, all of a sudden.

"Tell me," Luke repeated.

She felt surprised by his insistence, but decided to follow him with it, at least for the time being. She trusted him, even when he frightened her. "She was very beautiful," Leia remembered aloud. "Gentle and kind - but sad." She l;ooked deeply into his eyes, seeking his intentions. "Why are you asking me this?"

He turned away, peering back up at the Death Star, as if he'd been on the verge of opening up; then something scared him, and he pulled it all in once more. "I have no memory of my mother," he claimed. "I never knew her."
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Hmm. This proves to me that at least Lucas had in mind that Luke and Leia were still infants when Padme died. Yet the circumstances surrounding it are different in the novel. It makes me wonder if these different circumstances were simply the invention of James Kahn, the author of the novelization, or were given to the author by Lucas himself, as he has done on the prequel novelizations.
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And we all thought it was a trunk as in "footlocker." Turns out it was the trunk of her mom's ship. Who knew?

Don't forget, the "canon" of the ROTJ novelization (and these were officially declared the only true canon in the days before the EU -- i.e. until George began screwing up his own canon) revealed that Owen was Ben's brother.
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Yeah, I know. I'm just going by what I have. Since the actual film of ROTS doesn't currently explain why she remembers her, I must go to the next lowest canon source, which is the novelizations.

But with Owen, Obi-Wan says he remembers a brother named Owen, not necessarily Owen Lars.
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i thought obi wan said he gave luke to his brother owen on tatooine, sounds like uncle owen to me
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
OMG is this debate still going on?


Will this never end?
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Hmm...I never heard of Owen being Ben's brother. I like it better that Obi-Wan doesn't have any siblings. That would explain why he gave Luke to Owen and Ben didn't keep him himself to raise on Tatooine. I actually like (gasp!) what Lucas did making Uncle Owen be a step uncle for Luke. I really like how that turned out in the film. Simple, yet a big impact.


There are so many ways we could fix that glaring pot hole concerning Luke and Leia.

1) Anakin be responsible for his wife's death (not this "he broke my heart" crap). He could have picked her up with the force, choked her in mid-air, and then threw her against a wall/floor in anger. She goes down and is unconsious. The fall damaged her and now she is bleeding internally.

2) Padme had a chance at surviving her injuries with the help of the medical team, but she lost the will to live. Medically, the droids could save her, but she's giving up. She's lost the strength to save her self and the droids can only so much. They have to operate quickly in order to save the babies before it is too late.

3) Leia is born first. Obi-Wan bring her to Padme's side and she reaches out and touches her baby's face while naming her "Leia..." She screams and pushes out Luke and she reaches out for her baby and gives him the name of "Luke..." but she never touches him. She tells Obi-Wan that there is still good in Anakin, but dies in mid-sentance. Luke is still at Padme's feet crying, while Obi-Wan hold's Leia in his arms.


There. Problem solved. Damn you Lucas.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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That would work. Maybe you could give those suggestions to the guys over in the "Ranch saga thread" or whatever it's called in the star wars preservation forum.
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There are so many ways we could fix that glaring pot hole concerning Luke and Leia.

1) Anakin be responsible for his wife's death (not this "he broke my heart" crap). He could have picked her up with the force, choked her in mid-air, and then threw her against a wall/floor in anger. She goes down and is unconsious. The fall damaged her and now she is bleeding internally.

2) Padme had a chance at surviving her injuries with the help of the medical team, but she lost the will to live. Medically, the droids could save her, but she's giving up. She's lost the strength to save her self and the droids can only so much. They have to operate quickly in order to save the babies before it is too late.

3) Leia is born first. Obi-Wan bring her to Padme's side and she reaches out and touches her baby's face while naming her "Leia..." She screams and pushes out Luke and she reaches out for her baby and gives him the name of "Luke..." but she never touches him. She tells Obi-Wan that there is still good in Anakin, but dies in mid-sentance. Luke is still at Padme's feet crying, while Obi-Wan hold's Leia in his arms.


There. Problem solved. Damn you Lucas.

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Yes, but there is one problem why Lucas couldn't do it that way, you didn't mention in any of that writing, "Faster and more intense!"
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Co, has the same idea going there that I do in my ROTS edit...only slight differences:

I Edited the scenes so that Leia is the first baby born and named, after the Vader scene it cuts back to Padme, but she dies right after giving birth to Luke and never even names him...so the plothole is covered by the fact Leia is with Padme when she is alive for a short period, but dies when Luke is born so there is no connection/memory for Luke.
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There is one other thing I feel should be brought up, especially for those of you who do not want to accept the "force connection".

What about pictures? As in photos, holosgrams, whatever? Leia would constantly be aware that she was an a dopted child, at least from her early teens and on ('cos the Organa's are black, see? Genetics still holds even in the PT). It would only make sense for her parents to prepare her a bit for it, maybe by showing her images and telling her about her real mother - they would obviously keep schtum about her father, due to him being the person who hunts down and kills Jedi all over the galaxy. Anyway, I dunno about all of you, but when it comes to my earliest recollections, I have a hard time knowing what I actually remember and what has been told to me afterwards, later on in my childhood.

Cannot Leia's recollection simply be explained with the fact that her parents had access to imagery of Padmé and knew her well to want Leia to know her? Owen and Beru never met the real parents, are most likely quite intimidated by the situation. They would not want to complicate things by telling Luke stories of a royal past and thus make up the stories about a less glorious father, possibly with some input from Obi-Wan.

Of course, this bring us to another plothole... How the heck didn't someone in the Imperial camp notice that Leia (who obviously isn't the biological daughter of the Organas) looks a wee bit like her mum and dad while she runs around the senate, whipping up support for the Alliance? She's not the kind of politician you don't notice, at least not as far as we know.
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You know, I have a strong feeling that Lucas might use that very idea in the TV series.
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Originally posted by: Khab
There is one other thing I feel should be brought up, especially for those of you who do not want to accept the "force connection".

What about pictures? As in photos, holosgrams, whatever? Leia would constantly be aware that she was an a dopted child, at least from her early teens and on ('cos the Organa's are black, see? Genetics still holds even in the PT). It would only make sense for her parents to prepare her a bit for it, maybe by showing her images and telling her about her real mother - they would obviously keep schtum about her father, due to him being the person who hunts down and kills Jedi all over the galaxy. Anyway, I dunno about all of you, but when it comes to my earliest recollections, I have a hard time knowing what I actually remember and what has been told to me afterwards, later on in my childhood.

Cannot Leia's recollection simply be explained with the fact that her parents had access to imagery of Padmé and knew her well to want Leia to know her? Owen and Beru never met the real parents, are most likely quite intimidated by the situation. They would not want to complicate things by telling Luke stories of a royal past and thus make up the stories about a less glorious father, possibly with some input from Obi-Wan.

Of course, this bring us to another plothole... How the heck didn't someone in the Imperial camp notice that Leia (who obviously isn't the biological daughter of the Organas) looks a wee bit like her mum and dad while she runs around the senate, whipping up support for the Alliance? She's not the kind of politician you don't notice, at least not as far as we know.
but it says leia KNEW her real mother

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Maybe Padme's death was staged.
"All to easy"
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Maybe... she didn't even die. Maybe she faked her death and later hid on Alderaan, where she lived with Leia for a few days. However, Palpatine finds out she's alive and sends Boba Fett after her. He chases her across the Alderaan mountains until she eventually finds a trunk to hides in. But Boba Fett eventually finds her and kills her.

Sounds like a Lucas explanation™©® to me.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Maybe... she didn't even die. Maybe she faked her death and later hid on Alderaan, where she lived with Leia for a few days. However, Palpatine finds out she's alive and sends Boba Fett after her. He chases her across the Alderaan mountains until she eventually finds a trunk to hides in. But Boba Fett eventually finds her and kills her.

Sounds like a Lucas explanation™©® to me.
its better than what was used

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And what's sad is that I came up with that off the top of my head.