Imhotep:
First of all, thanks for sharing your thoughts and these cuts. I’ll be adding a lot of these to the resources folder just in case we decide to use them, if you’re cool with that.
That “mind wiped” cut is pretty good! Though I wonder if it could be made into “Have the droids’ minds wiped” rather than just “mind”.
Yeah, R2 definitely needs a sad beep there.
My view on the Sifo-Dyas thing is that he never gets mentioned again within the films, so within the movies we never really get an answer for it. I understand that it is meant to be a red herring, but is a red herring that is never even revealed as a red herring. So people left the theater wondering who Sifo-Dyas is and if more will be revealed about him in the next film, which we know never is. To me, this shows how murky the whole plot was in the first place, and it would just be simpler to make it where an anonymous person ordered this clone army for the Jedi Council and the Republic. It could technically still be Sifo-Dyas, we just don’t get that information (because we don’t need it). All we’ll know is that a man called Tyrannus hired Jango for this job. Obi-Wan never discovers the identity of Tyrannus, but the audience will by the end of the film when Dooku is revealed to be Tyrannus. Then the audience will know that the clone army is merely a part of Darth Sidious’ plot. I think Sifo-Dyas just makes it more complicated than it needs to be.
Yeah, we can see what ends up happening with Solo first just in case regarding Chewbacca and the Jedi.
That’s an interesting view on Anakin using green in AOTC. I hadn’t really thought of it that way but I totally see where you’re coming from. What if the colors were swapped with him and Obi? He would still wield a green one when he dual wields.
Yeah, I don’t think I would want to finalize anything until Adywan’s ROTJ is complete.
Wow, I know you made these for your own edits but I appreciate you sharing them! A lot of the Obi-Wan edits are pretty seamless. I also like the incest cuts too. Another kiss you missed is when Leia kisses Luke in the Falcon him as they are escaping from Cloud City. Not sure how to cut around that one.
I like the “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” cut. If we can’t get “your mother” to work, this would be the alternative option.
While I’m on the fence about Stormtroopers being clones personally, you’ve shown that implying that they are still clones would be pretty easy!
Jp4195:
Thanks for sharing all of your thoughts! I know these take forever to write but I appreciate the opinions.
I agree about the Yoda line. Changing it to “A Jedi master who instructed me” is the next change I would like to see.
I agree with you about the Jedi robes. I just think it would be way too hard to change them.
I do agree about the tech, but I just feel there is a bit of a disconnect, because even customized ships like Vader’s TIE Advanced and Kylo Ren’s TIE Silencer have more retro interfaces. Even the Falcon, which has been heavily modified, still has these retro targeting computers. I just feel the retro motion graphics are a part of Star Wars’ style, and I think seeing those types of graphics in the prequels could help bridge that design gap a little more.
I also think that’s the implication within the films regarding the Rule of Two. It’s exactly what you said, I think they’re both just competing to get Luke to become their apprentice.
Having them all have purple sabers when they confront the chancellor is an interesting idea too, although I think the implication should be that Mace’s action the whole of the Jedi rather than a certain group of Jedi, which is why Palpatine can condemn them all rather than just those four, if that makes sense.
Regarding Sifo-Dyas, that’s what I was thinking too! We could at least try to cut any mention of him out and see how it flows without him. I could be wrong! Just gotta see.
I also think Dooku was hoping to maybe turn Obi, and that if he failed to, it wouldn’t matter because he would be executed anyway. I also like to think that Dooku had noble reasons for joining the Sith, maybe that he could possibly destroy the Sith from the inside, but in the end he was just corrupted by the lust for power.
Leia being a princess: Bail and is wife are royalty, but it is actually never mentioned within the films. We can only assume. I kind of that it would be nice to have someone refer to Bail as “King” at least once, maybe Anakin right before Padme tells Anakin she’s pregnant.
I also think Obi-Wan aging between films is a big deal. I mean it isn’t that unbelievable and really, what are you going to do about it?
Stormtroopers being clones: Stormtroopers are normal recruits in canon, but it goes to show you how unclear it is because a lot people do think they are clones, I think George went back and forth on them being clones too. I just think it’d be easier to not make them clones and add a female voice or two to make it a little more obvious.
Yeah, Luke getting past the Hoth blockade was never a big deal to me either. I just assumed his ship was small enough to easily get past it, or he went in a different direction.
Obi-Wan never tells Luke he was their last hope, he just says it to Yoda, as an observation. Then when Yoda says, “No, there is another.” He says it like Obi-Wan wasn’t aware of Leia. Maybe they just have differing opinions on Leia and her potential or if she would even want to be trained.
Regarding Leia remembering, that’s an interesting idea having Leia being born first. Really the least you can do without changing ROTJ. I just don’t see why Luke wouldn’t remember her either in that case, you know?
Why Vader seems subservient to Emperor in ROTJ. Yeah, I think Luke basically chose dying over joining his own dad, I think Vader realized he couldn’t turn Luke alone, and he realized as much. The Emperor says as much, “Only together can we turn him to the dark side.” Just certain things, like groveling about the Emperor in private with Luke, or not letting Luke just kill the Emperor instead of blocking him in the Throne room. Just makes it a little less clear.
Yeah, Rey speaks Wookiee. Finn makes a point of it on the Falcon, asking, “You can understand that thing?” in TFA. She even translates Chewie for Luke in TLJ, which I’m not really sure she needs to. Does Luke not understand Chewie?
I also like that after all the time they spent together, that still haven’t done things like used the other one’s blaster. I also think Han making a point of how powerful it is sets up how much pain Kylo probably is in later when he gets shot with it.
Regarding Anakin’s saber. Yeah, you could argue its just stylistic choices, but I like the idea fit being a consistent light blue throughout the films, like a cyan, sky blue compared to the basic blue of the other lightsabers.
Appreciate all of your thoughts!
Sir Ridley:
Nice! Thanks for giving it a go. I made a sample of how it would look within the film.
But yeah, it looks like we could have three options if we can’t get this to match perfectly.
Use existing Vader quotes to create “your mother”
Use the Bible reading to also create “once thought as you do” to match.
Have some record their own voice if we can get it to sound like Vader.
I don’t know if Ady has any particular plans for this line, but watch us do all this work and then he releases ROTJ Revisited with a perfectly seamless “Your mother once thought as you do”! Although I don’t think he is planning on doing that.