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DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

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While I agree that it’s a shame we didn’t get more new motivic material in TLJ, if you really do listen to the score (and I mean all of it, not just what’s on the soundtrack), I think there’s a strong argument to be made that in pretty much every other way it is better than TFA.

Yeah. I actually forgot to mention tracks like “The Spark” which is just fantastic. And the music that plays when Luke closes his saber and surrenders to Kylo is great too.

I must say though that one area that is lacking is the music during the throne room fight. It is so forgettable. Which is why I will replace it with Duel of the Fates.

I think the throne room battle is an absolutely fantastic action cue. In my mind, you don’t want something epic on the scale of “Duel of the Fates” for that because A) it’s not the climax of the film, and B) it’s not an epic duel, it’s just Rey and Ben teaming up to defend themselves. The most epic part of that scene is when Snoke dies and we see them decide to team up (not when they actually fight), and I think the music fits that well enough.

Eh, I guess we’ll agree to disagree haha. I think the main reason I find it so epic is cause we are meant to see the potential of what they can accomplish if they rule the galaxy together and the light saber fight with the guards is kind of meant to signify that. But yeah, the action cue used is not bad by any means.

And the music for when Snoke dies and when they team up is perfect as it is. I’m more talking about when we cut back to them fighting.

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darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

While I agree that it’s a shame we didn’t get more new motivic material in TLJ, if you really do listen to the score (and I mean all of it, not just what’s on the soundtrack), I think there’s a strong argument to be made that in pretty much every other way it is better than TFA.

Yeah. I actually forgot to mention tracks like “The Spark” which is just fantastic. And the music that plays when Luke closes his saber and surrenders to Kylo is great too.

I must say though that one area that is lacking is the music during the throne room fight. It is so forgettable. Which is why I will replace it with Duel of the Fates.

I think the throne room battle is an absolutely fantastic action cue. In my mind, you don’t want something epic on the scale of “Duel of the Fates” for that because A) it’s not the climax of the film, and B) it’s not an epic duel, it’s just Rey and Ben teaming up to defend themselves. The most epic part of that scene is when Snoke dies and we see them decide to team up (not when they actually fight), and I think the music fits that well enough.

Eh, I guess we’ll agree to disagree haha. I think the main reason I find it so epic is cause we are meant to see the potential of what they can accomplish if they rule the galaxy together and the light saber fight with the guards is kind of meant to signify that. But yeah, the action cue used is not bad by any means.

I will say my one very specific complaint in regards to the score is that we didn’t get a Rey/Kylo theme. This ideally would’ve been played throughout their connection scenes as mysterious at first, ultimately culminating in a sweeping action rendition during this scene. Since that theme doesn’t exist, I’ll live with what we got.

And the music for when Snoke dies and when they team up is perfect as it is. I’m more talking about when we cut back to them fighting.

Yeah I just meant that that’s the only moment that I think needed that ‘epic’ sort of treatment.

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DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

While I agree that it’s a shame we didn’t get more new motivic material in TLJ, if you really do listen to the score (and I mean all of it, not just what’s on the soundtrack), I think there’s a strong argument to be made that in pretty much every other way it is better than TFA.

Yeah. I actually forgot to mention tracks like “The Spark” which is just fantastic. And the music that plays when Luke closes his saber and surrenders to Kylo is great too.

I must say though that one area that is lacking is the music during the throne room fight. It is so forgettable. Which is why I will replace it with Duel of the Fates.

I think the throne room battle is an absolutely fantastic action cue. In my mind, you don’t want something epic on the scale of “Duel of the Fates” for that because A) it’s not the climax of the film, and B) it’s not an epic duel, it’s just Rey and Ben teaming up to defend themselves. The most epic part of that scene is when Snoke dies and we see them decide to team up (not when they actually fight), and I think the music fits that well enough.

Eh, I guess we’ll agree to disagree haha. I think the main reason I find it so epic is cause we are meant to see the potential of what they can accomplish if they rule the galaxy together and the light saber fight with the guards is kind of meant to signify that. But yeah, the action cue used is not bad by any means.

I will say my one very specific complaint in regards to the score is that we didn’t get a Rey/Kylo theme. This ideally would’ve been played throughout their connection scenes as mysterious at first, ultimately culminating in a sweeping action rendition during this scene. Since that theme doesn’t exist, I’ll live with what we got.

And the music for when Snoke dies and when they team up is perfect as it is. I’m more talking about when we cut back to them fighting.

Yeah I just meant that that’s the only moment that I think needed that ‘epic’ sort of treatment.

Ah I see. And your idea for developing their themes in the force connections and then culminating in the fight is a great idea!

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I continue to be dissapointed in the thread title.

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My biggest problem is that despite being far better than the prequels (is that difficult, to begin with?) they still have a plethora of problems that the OT did not encounter. The cinematic medium is far too apparent (though not as severely as Marvel’s nonesense), with some lines referencing events in the OT as though they were scenes in a movie. The sets and creatures at their worst look quite fake and uncreative, it’s such a waste of budget, why do they need to spend so much money?

And that is on the creative side, as far I’m concerned these movies are still very cynical and corporate-driven.

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There were a few points made about the music and I have to agree, in TLJ it’s pretty weak. I’ve listened to it a few times and seen the movie just recently, but it’s not growing on me. The Resistance theme was bland in TFA and here it just feels overused. I would have really enjoyed new pieces for individual scenes like ESB. Rose gets a theme but it’s bleh. There are no Asteroid Field moments. Even scenes like the Throne Room would have been given a unique tune back in the old days - which is where all the best stuff here (Luke and Leia, TIE Fighter Attack) comes from.

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Mocata said:

There were a few points made about the music and I have to agree, in TLJ it’s pretty weak. I’ve listened to it a few times and seen the movie just recently, but it’s not growing on me. The Resistance theme was bland in TFA and here it just feels overused. I would have really enjoyed new pieces for individual scenes like ESB. Rose gets a theme but it’s bleh. There are no Asteroid Field moments. Even scenes like the Throne Room would have been given a unique tune back in the old days - which is where all the best stuff here (Luke and Leia, TIE Fighter Attack) comes from.

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DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

There were a few points made about the music and I have to agree, in TLJ it’s pretty weak. I’ve listened to it a few times and seen the movie just recently, but it’s not growing on me. The Resistance theme was bland in TFA and here it just feels overused. I would have really enjoyed new pieces for individual scenes like ESB. Rose gets a theme but it’s bleh. There are no Asteroid Field moments. Even scenes like the Throne Room would have been given a unique tune back in the old days - which is where all the best stuff here (Luke and Leia, TIE Fighter Attack) comes from.

No.

Yes?

I love John Williams and I always will, but his work is not what it once was. His 1980s work is probably the best that has ever been in the film industry, so admittedly its a bit unfair to have that expectation.

His TLJ score is very good, but as Mocata said it can’t hold a candle to his OT stuff.

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pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

There were a few points made about the music and I have to agree, in TLJ it’s pretty weak. I’ve listened to it a few times and seen the movie just recently, but it’s not growing on me. The Resistance theme was bland in TFA and here it just feels overused. I would have really enjoyed new pieces for individual scenes like ESB. Rose gets a theme but it’s bleh. There are no Asteroid Field moments. Even scenes like the Throne Room would have been given a unique tune back in the old days - which is where all the best stuff here (Luke and Leia, TIE Fighter Attack) comes from.

No.

Yes?

I love John Williams and I always will, but his work is not what it once was. His 1980s work is probably the best that has ever been in the film industry, so admittedly its a bit unfair to have that expectation.

His TLJ score is very good, but as Mocata said it can’t hold a candle to his OT stuff.

Well fine but Mocata said it’s “pretty weak.”

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TV’s Frink said:

pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

Mocata said:

There were a few points made about the music and I have to agree, in TLJ it’s pretty weak. I’ve listened to it a few times and seen the movie just recently, but it’s not growing on me. The Resistance theme was bland in TFA and here it just feels overused. I would have really enjoyed new pieces for individual scenes like ESB. Rose gets a theme but it’s bleh. There are no Asteroid Field moments. Even scenes like the Throne Room would have been given a unique tune back in the old days - which is where all the best stuff here (Luke and Leia, TIE Fighter Attack) comes from.

No.

Yes?

I love John Williams and I always will, but his work is not what it once was. His 1980s work is probably the best that has ever been in the film industry, so admittedly its a bit unfair to have that expectation.

His TLJ score is very good, but as Mocata said it can’t hold a candle to his OT stuff.

Well fine but Mocata said it’s “pretty weak.”

I always did place pretty low in reading comprehension.

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What else can I really say? I liked the movie but too much of the score sounds like ROTS drums or just the same arrangements of stuff I liked more in TFA. I get that people thought it developed those motifs, but I don’t agree.

But when THIS comes on it’s like an adrenaline surge right in the heart.

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Worst thing: John Williams’ weak and anemic score.

Couldn’t disagree more on this point, though I’d have liked to hear more new motifs in TLJ.

Okay, let me clarify. The score is good, but it sounds weak and anemic, mainly due to the freelance orchestra he’s using. Listen to the opening titles of TFA and TLJ, it sounds awful. Lacks any sort of “oomph”.

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JawsTDS said:

ChainsawAsh said:

JawsTDS said:

Worst thing: John Williams’ weak and anemic score.

Couldn’t disagree more on this point, though I’d have liked to hear more new motifs in TLJ.

Okay, let me clarify. The score is good, but it sounds weak and anemic, mainly due to the freelance orchestra he’s using. Listen to the opening titles of TFA and TLJ, it sounds awful. Lacks any sort of “oomph”.

Oh, I 100% agree about the opening titles, but that’s not as big an issue with the rest of the score IMO. I do think the music is mixed too low in much of TFA, though.

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JawsTDS said:

ChainsawAsh said:

JawsTDS said:

Worst thing: John Williams’ weak and anemic score.

Couldn’t disagree more on this point, though I’d have liked to hear more new motifs in TLJ.

Listen to the opening titles of TFA and TLJ, it sounds awful. Lacks any sort of “oomph”.

I agree

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I think the problem with the scores is not with the scores is not actually with the scores but rather how it was recorded/mixed. Not enough boom and the recording may sounds very flat and subdued compared to the other 6.

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ChainsawAsh said:

JawsTDS said:

ChainsawAsh said:

JawsTDS said:

Worst thing: John Williams’ weak and anemic score.

Couldn’t disagree more on this point, though I’d have liked to hear more new motifs in TLJ.

Okay, let me clarify. The score is good, but it sounds weak and anemic, mainly due to the freelance orchestra he’s using. Listen to the opening titles of TFA and TLJ, it sounds awful. Lacks any sort of “oomph”.

Oh, I 100% agree about the opening titles, but that’s not as big an issue with the rest of the score IMO. I do think the music is mixed too low in much of TFA, though.

The crawl in both sounds really tinny.

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Most: Star Wars !

Least: Lack of “big picture” for the ST by Disney**
R.J.'s infantile humor. -Poe’s convo with Hux, Luke tossing his saber, BB-8’s ‘Jar Jar’ moment getting filled with coins. He might think he’s funny, but it’s 10yo funny, and doesn’t fit with the SW universe.
Rey’s portrayal - in TFA she seems like a wise soul - in TLJ like a giddy school girl “the force is like moving like rocks around, right?”

** I popped in the BD of Last Jedi last night and for some reason the “Directors Commentary” played. The scene where Rey climbs up to Luke and Luke tosses the saber, RJ says he had no idea why Luke was there on that island. Didn’t he watch TFA? They spent a great deal of time (like the entire movie) looking for the map to Luke as he was on his quest to find the Jedi Temple. It’s as if 40 years of checking and rechecking to make sure things fit in the canon has just been thrown out the window.