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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 254

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DominicCobb said:

It would be weird if that didn’t come to a head. Abrams himself established that friction between them right out of the gate.

Except Abrams is a horrible and uninspired filmmaker so he probably already forgot. 😛

TV’s Frink said:

I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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Ocrop27 said:

A long time ago, in this thread, someone shared a image comparing some frames from TLJ with old samurai movies. Now i can’t find anywhere! Would be nice if someone could point me to that pic, the act of kindness would be appreciated.

Cheers!

You just need to check your previous messages to find it again 😉

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1150289

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Wexter said:

m_s0 said:

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

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joefavs said:

Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky said:

Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.

Probably why she didn’t get a proper ‘hero’ introduction as well. It’s a trade-off, but one I liked given where and how it’s taken: this is all Poe’s point of view - to the very end, and that’s why his turn into a proper leader works in the finale.

The more I think about it, the more I appreciate how well-written this film is.

Poe got a bunch of people killed because he was reckless and disobeyed orders. But it’s cool because ‘Ah, that’s just how Poe is, the little scamp’.

It’s war, and that’s not his first, nor his only deed.

If he kept pulling stuff like that in an actual war, his superiors would have him shot in the head.

Thankfully, this is drama (with a slant towards action adventure). This is a character flaw, not a movie flaw - I really don’t get the complaints here. At worst, I’d put this in the same ballpark as Chewie being best friends with Lando at the end of ESB, even though he probably should’ve murdered that traitor the first chance he outgrew his usefulness (which would have been almost immediately).

Sorry, but the comparison doesn’t work at all. Lando has earned the forgiveness of the rest of the gang. That was on a personal level. On military level, if you are going to brush off a soldier acting like a complete psychotic, pointing guns at superiors and making decisions that result in people dying, with “oh, ain’t he a cute hothead”, you are seriously challenging the suspension of disbelief.

I guess my point was that it’s perfectly of a piece with what Star Wars is - to me, I guess, since some people tend to react to it as though it were an adaptation of an army field manual 😃

oojason said:

‘The Director and the Jedi - Documentary Review’… (by HelloGreedo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHH3InY8mFA

 

Much better than I expected - not as overwhelmingly corporate-fluffy. Or maybe it’s just the next level of comouflage for this sort of fare. Fun watch on the whole, though I’d prefer something meatier.

adywan said:

Looks really nice. One or two notches above the usual promotional/official graphic art.

Also:

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That’s very artistic packaging for a first-time release on blu-ray.

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Always have a smile on my face when I get something through the post that isn’t a bill or a pizza flyer these days 😃

Some quality art in the various Big Sleeve editions to date - and always nice to see a quality UK ‘exclusive’ too 😃

Really like this artwork too…

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I speak from experience when I say those UK exclusive big sleeve releases are awesome!
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snooker said:

I enjoy Hux acting like a buffoon. Makes him less of a Tarkin-archetype like he was in the first movie.

Personally I don’t mind Hux being less of a Tarkin-like character (although I didn’t find TFA Hux similar to SW Tarkin at all), I don’t even mind Hux or any other FO official struggling with higher level leaders and even conspiring against others. But Hux’s “buffoon” nature is a little jarring, specially because no other FO person seems to be very competent and smart against the good people: when it comes to harming anonymous people or advancing the plot, they may build superweapons or tracking devices which work through hyperspace, they may mount surprise attacks, but they allow important, Force user prisoners to be guarded by a single Stormtrooper, for example. Or they send two TIEs to capture two people and a droid when the Empire sent four TIEs while pretending to go after the Falcon.

It also raises the question of why has Hux become the big general. But Star Wars has a problem with characters proving they’re as good as other characters say (General Calrissian, duh).

I also think Ren’s chaotic nature diminishes the dangerous, genocidal nature of the First Order, and affecs the other characters, who aren’t up to OT Empire standards anyway (Snoke, Hux). You may not want to make a Vader-like character, fine. You may not want to make Ren as smart and capacle of mounting Batman Gambits as TESB Vader because you already made TESB. You may also want to say people like Ren are dangerous, regardless of their general competence, because they don’t know what to do with their own emotions and fears and uses their insecurities to harm other people. But you can put said character in the good side, rather than placing the character in the position a traditional villain would take.

At least the ST villains aren’t as bad as PT villains.

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Mocata said:

Ocrop27 said:

A long time ago, in this thread, someone shared a image comparing some frames from TLJ with old samurai movies. Now i can’t find anywhere! Would be nice if someone could point me to that pic, the act of kindness would be appreciated.

Cheers!

Just look up some pics from Ran and Kagemusha. Also go watch them.


Thanks! I already watched Ran, gonna check out Kagemusha.

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Hux and Snoke allude to “having the resistance tied to a string.” Were the First Order locked-on to Finn-2-187 and tracking him through hyperspace? Since Finn had been abducted as a child and in their ranks as a stormtrooper for some time before The Force Awakens, did the First Order embed trackers into their soldiers and more easily seek out defectors?

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If there was such a device implanted in Finn, I think they would have detected it when treating his injuries at the end of TFA and sticking him in that bacta suit. A full body scan as part of a routine medical checkup of any FO defector is probably a good idea anyway.

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a_o said:

Hux and Snoke allude to “having the resistance tied to a string.” Were the First Order locked-on to Finn-2-187 and tracking him through hyperspace? Since Finn had been abducted as a child and in their ranks as a stormtrooper for some time before The Force Awakens, did the First Order embed trackers into their soldiers and more easily seek out defectors?

They would have noticed when he left the ship and traveled to Canto Bight

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Ive just watched TLJ on dvd today. I didn’t see it in the theater (because reasons). So today was the first time I saw it.

I have very mixed feelings about it. But with the end of the skywalkers episode 9 has come early for me.

I really don’t care what happens to the crew of the falcon enough to actually see an episode 9.

I’m out.

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Proof of non-ticket purchase for Episode 9 will be required at a future date. See you in 2019! 😉

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SilverWook said:

Proof of non-ticket purchase for Episode 9 will be required at a future date. See you in 2019! 😉

Lol. See you in 2019 !

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Wow, the forum look so different. It’s like that episode of the original Battlestar Galactica where they got caught up by those lights and their uniforms all turned white.

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Great TLJ review and/or opinion.

You know there’s a whole off topic section of the forum, right?

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Sorry, didn’t mean to “acquiesce to disorder.” Don’t blow up my system.

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Anyway, you can change it back in your profile settings.

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rodneyfaile said:

Wow, the forum look so different. It’s like that episode of the original Battlestar Galactica where they got caught up by those lights and their uniforms all turned white.

Am I an angel?

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The more I let it percolate and the more I think about it, the more TLJ ends up in a sort of Prequel-ish area for me, in terms of my opinion about it:

I get what they were going for, there were interesting story points that are good when you boil them down to their base elements, and it had some great bits… but they just dropped the ball on the execution.

And it sucks because I came out of TFA super hyped for more story, and I shrugged off all the “rehash” bits at the time because, eh, it was one movie, it got wrapped up quick enough, the characters were great, and we had a great jumping-off point for more about the characters, and that’s what I was interested in.

But I walked out of TLJ with the joy completely sucked out of me, and not in a “second movie, Empire Strikes Back-dark” kinda way, just a “wait… did I not like that movie?” way. I don’t really need to go into why because that’s all been picked apart and debated to pieces ad nauseam, but it just stood in such stark contrast to the excitement I felt after TFA. I watched it three more times in theaters and couldn’t get into it: I read positive articles and reviews and listened to podcasts about it, and they would get my hyped up to a point where I would be thinking “Okay maybe I was wrong, let’s try again” and I’d go in to see it again and it would just suck the wind right out of my sails again.

And I totally get all the positive arguments about it because every time I hear them or talk about them, I get excited about the movie again, and there are people I know and like whose thoughts and opinions about film I really trust and agree with who like it, but at this point, I’ve steeped myself in the story so much that there’s nothing about the story or the characters or the writing that I’m not understanding or not getting and I’m honestly okay with the idea of subverting our expectations about characters and their arcs… I just… don’t like it, I guess. It’s super disappointing for me.

It hurts TFA in my mind, too, because it calls attention to the parts I didn’t like most about that movie and I don’t feel like it was enough of an evolution from TFA to right those wrongs. It just feels like additional footage from TFA stretched over two hours with these massive character-defining moments in the trilogy sprinkled in that don’t have the impact they should because we’re not far enough away from TFA.

I’m not holding out much hope for IX or the end of the trilogy right now. Especially not with J.J. coming back. And I honestly lay a lot of the blame for TLJ on him and the way Lucasfilm has handled the franchise in terms of not having a guiding voice for the trilogy and apparently letting each director do their own thing. J.J. didn’t set up for a sequel well enough, and Rian (who I think is a great director and a great person) was too free to just go nuts with it.

Kudos, I guess, to Lucasfilm for gambling with a movie like TLJ and not just going the super safe route, I guess? But I honestly wish they’d gone a bit safer.

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Tyrphanax said:

It hurts TFA in my mind, too, because it calls attention to the parts I didn’t like most about that movie and I don’t feel like it was enough of an evolution from TFA to right those wrongs. It just feels like additional footage from TFA stretched over two hours with these massive character-defining moments in the trilogy sprinkled in that don’t have the impact they should because we’re not far enough away from TFA.

Part of the drama in ESB and ROTJ is that those films start off with some time having passed since the previous installment. There are new and different things we have yet to discover about what happened while we were away.

And frankly I think that’s why TFA works for a lot of people. We get a story that kicks off decades after the last one. What’s happened since then? Who are these people today? How have they changed since we last met? That’s exciting.

TLJ has none of that mystery because it picks up literally where the previous installment leaves off, and that’s J.J.'s fault because he just had to have his dramatic ending and couldn’t tell a complete story, which is his MO. He’s great at starting stories, but not so great at finishing them.

And yet somehow we still don’t know these new characters or their world very well. Over 4.5 hours of storytelling and how we got from ROTJ to TFA/TLJ is largely a mystery.

After letting it settle a bit more, for me the biggest failure was not kicking off the new trilogy with our favorite characters on one last adventure, even if it were a brief one. I’m not saying give the old characters 90% of the screen time and let the new ones hang around as window dressing; the new characters need to stand on their own. But having access to Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Threepio, and R2 and not putting them on screen together one last time was a massive miss.

I applaud Rian’s risks and what he was able to do with what he was given, though. He could’ve handed in a boring retread and instead he went for it.

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Jay said:

Tyrphanax said:

It hurts TFA in my mind, too, because it calls attention to the parts I didn’t like most about that movie and I don’t feel like it was enough of an evolution from TFA to right those wrongs. It just feels like additional footage from TFA stretched over two hours with these massive character-defining moments in the trilogy sprinkled in that don’t have the impact they should because we’re not far enough away from TFA.

Part of the drama in ESB and ROTJ is that those films start off with some time having passed since the previous installment. There are new and different things we have yet to discover about what happened while we were away.

And frankly I think that’s why TFA works for a lot of people. We get a story that kicks off decades after the last one. What’s happened since then? Who are these people today? How have they changed since we last met? That’s exciting.

TLJ has none of that mystery because it picks up literally where the previous installment leaves off, and that’s J.J.'s fault because he just had to have his dramatic ending and couldn’t tell a complete story, which is his MO. He’s great at starting stories, but not so great at finishing them.

And yet somehow we still don’t know these new characters or their world very well. Over 4.5 hours of storytelling and how we got from ROTJ to TFA/TLJ is largely a mystery.

After letting it settle a bit more, for me the biggest failure was not kicking off the new trilogy with our favorite characters on one last adventure, even if it were a brief one. I’m not saying give the old characters 90% of the screen time and let the new ones hang around as window dressing; the new characters need to stand on their own. But having access to Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Threepio, and R2 and not putting them on screen together one last time was a massive miss.

I applaud Rian’s risks and what he was able to do with what he was given, though. He could’ve handed in a boring retread and instead he went for it.

Totally agree.

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Jay said:

TLJ has none of that mystery because it picks up literally where the previous installment leaves off, and that’s J.J.'s fault because he just had to have his dramatic ending and couldn’t tell a complete story

I really, really disagree with that and I don’t understand why its become such a common argument for TLJ.

Rian wasn’t forced into anything by JJ, especially not making TLJ to pick up right where TFA left off, mere seconds later.

There was no reason Rian couldn’t have done a time jump, and he should have. Even if by only a month or two; the time jump between TPM and AOTC was 10 years and it benefited greatly from it from a storytelling perspective. Literally every other Star Wars film has had a time jump. Yes JJ put in a cliffhanger ending instead of rounding it off, but the story still could have gone in any direction.

Rian was definitely forced to do certain things based on the way things had played out in TFA, but a lack of a time jump isn’t one of them.

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Ryan-SWI said:

Jay said:

TLJ has none of that mystery because it picks up literally where the previous installment leaves off, and that’s J.J.'s fault because he just had to have his dramatic ending and couldn’t tell a complete story

I really, really disagree with that and I don’t understand why its become such a common argument for TLJ.

Rian wasn’t forced into anything by JJ,

Rian was definitely forced to do certain things based on the way things had played out in TFA,

Ok. 😋

I guess it might have been interesting to do a time Jump. But so much of what was alluded to the end of TFA would have had to have been just ignored that I can’t imagine people would have been happy.