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Why would Luke know Padme’s name?

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Vader never says “mother” so it had to be by name. I’m not sure how popular it is, but I’ve seen done before, and am personally in favor of it.

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Anakin Starkiller said:

Vader never says “mother” so it had to be by name. I’m not sure how popular it is, but I’ve seen done before, and am personally in favor of it.

I recall someone mentioning that the James Earl Jones reading of the Bible is a place to find different varaiations of the word mother. You could find a phase that uses the word similarly to how Vader is forming his sentence and then see how well you could make it match through some audio manipulation.

Honestly still just too much work in my opinion for such a small change.

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darthrush said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Vader never says “mother” so it had to be by name. I’m not sure how popular it is, but I’ve seen done before, and am personally in favor of it.

I recall someone mentioning that the James Earl Jones reading of the Bible is a place to find different varaiations of the word mother. You could find a phase that uses the word similarly to how Vader is forming his sentence and then see how well you could make it match through some audio manipulation.

Honestly still just too much work in my opinion for such a small change.

Or one could do voice acting in conjunction with audio manipulation.

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Hey everyone, I appreciate the discussion everyone’s been having here.

To reiterate, I think this project, at the very least, can be a collaborative effort to tackle various issues regarding consistency and continuity between the films. It could become more than that but that’s what I think should be focused on for now.

I really like your points Imhotep! I hadn’t really thought about if/how to tackle the incest vibes in the OT. Other thoughts on this would be appreciated.

About the two Death Stars: In the past I had considered having just one Death Star in the OT, and imply that they just heavily damaged it in ANH, only for them to destroy it for good in ROTJ. But I think it would be a little too radical. Maybe if you could set up the second Death Star in Empire Strikes Back somehow? Maybe see a less formed DSII from the Executor bridge in Vader’s first ESB scene? It definitely is a criticism though.

Regarding Mace’s lightsaber, it’s a reasonable question. You definitely haven’t been the only one who has wanted to do that, like you said, jack had done it for AOTC, and I know Adywan was planning on changing it to either blue or green for his now-cancelled Revisited Prequels.

It would’ve been cool to see Anakin with a red saber, I remember a lot of the ROTS marketing had him with a red one. Sparked my young imagination. I would be weary of having lightsaber change colors though, because if you do it in one situation it raises questions of why doesn’t this character’s lightsaber change color in this situation either. Though it would be cool to see though!

Another thought I had regarding saber colors, instead of changing Mace’s saber color, why not throw in one or two more purple sabers during the arena battle to show, while it is rare, it isn’t completely unique. Especially considering there are 10,000 Jedi and it would be really surprising if he were the only one with a purple lightsaber. I don’t think fans would have been as bothered by his saber if he wasn’t the only Jedi with a purple saber. And even if 1% of Jedi had purple lightsabers, that would still be 100 Jedi.

You could even throw in one or two yellow lightsabers as well (they’re in The Clone Wars so they’re even technically canon). I would even like to see blue and green sabers with slightly different hues, but I think that would be too much work for not much of a difference. And if one Jedi had a yellow lightsaber when they go to arrest the Chancellor, each Jedi would have a lightsaber of each Jedi color. Seems symbolic, like they represent the whole of the Jedi Order and their downfall or something. But you also have to ask if these kind of changes really “improve” the story or they’re just for fun. But at least adding one more purple lightsaber to the arena would be the least amount of work for the most influence on the story/world building in my opinion, without having to change what already exists.

Regarding “Obi-Wan once thought as you do”, I would either want it to be changed to “your mother” (using his bible audiobooks is a good idea), or just cut the line entirely. The scene still works without the line. But with Padmé dying tragically, I think it would be a nice callback to her character, and help connect Luke’s motivation to her’s, which would help connect the trilogies. It’s been a commonly mentioned thing so it would be cool for someone to attempt it! Voice manipulation isn’t a bad idea either Zerome!

About the Clone army thing. It seemed like a lot of people were confused by Stormtroopers not being clones in the sequel trilogy, even though Stormtroopers in the OT weren’t clones either. BUT, I honestly don’t blame anyone who thought this was the case. If you just watch the movies, it is easy to assume that the clones in the prequels just evolve into the Stormtroopers of the originals, and you just attribute the different accent/heights/etc. to when they were filmed (I think George even felt the Stormtroopers were clones, since he threw in Jango bumping his head on the Slave 1 door as an Easter egg).

The only way you really know they aren’t for sure is by reading or watching material outside of the movies, which I kind of feel shouldn’t be necessary. I think clones being only used in the prequels is still valuable to those movies, because they were the secret weapon that helped eradicate the Jedi Order, leaving Vader to finish off the remaining few. To make it clearer that OT Stormtroopers aren’t clones, would it be blasphemous to add a one or two female Stormtrooper lines into the OT? I think that would be the simplest way to make it pretty clear that they aren’t clones.

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My preference is making the conflict of the ST a proxy war with two groups within the Senate funding the Resistance and the First Order.

This is an interesting idea! I also had been thinking about the possibility of the Empire (or Imperial Remnant) and the First Order being two separate things. Maybe the Remnant is minding its own business when the First Order strikes, and they invade both the New Republic and offer the Remnant a chance to surrender.

“In his absence, the FIRST ORDER has splintered from the remnants of the Empire…”

And I actually think your idea isn’t too far off to the truth! I know in Bloodlines, it pretty much says that there are some New Republic senators that are secretly supporting the First Order, helping them get funds and making the rest of the senate think they’re not really a threat. It would be nice if that idea could be made clearer in the films. The only thing I could think of is through the TFA opening crawl. Maybe the second paragraph could say something like-

“Fearing that First Order spies have infiltrated the New Republic, General Leia Organa forms a covert Resistance…”

Certain words could be swapped:
spies/sympathizers
infiltrated/influenced

This would give a little more context as why it had to be the Resistance fighting the First Order rather than just the New Republic, and it would make the New Republic seem less incompetent or ignorant, but rather, compromised. I like this idea the more I think about it!

These are just some ideas though! I enjoy talking about this with you guys, thanks for the discussion!

So, I have formed a list of commonly brought up continuity errors, inconsisties, plot holes or big questions brought up in the movies. A lot of them I don’t think need edits, but I think they all could/should be vetted. Thanks to those who have brought other questions to my attention as well, most of those have been added.

Now, before I post this list, I’m not sure if I should just post the questions themselves, include my thoughts on some of them (or do that in a separate post), or if I should just put the list in my original post.

Basically I was thinking we could go through the questions, and come up with acceptable answers or edit ideas for each item on the list. EddieDean can then organize them on his list. After some discussion, we could then possibly prioritize what ideas would be worth pursuing first.
I could just post the list, start discussion, and decide what to do next as we go on. Would appreciate any additional thoughts.

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Drop it like its hot!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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I’ve added it to the first post, but I can put it in this post instead if you think I should.

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RogueLeader said:

I really like your points Imhotep! I hadn’t really thought about if/how to tackle the incest vibes in the OT. Other thoughts on this would be appreciated.

About the two Death Stars: In the past I had considered having just one Death Star in the OT, and imply that they just heavily damaged it in ANH, only for them to destroy it for good in ROTJ. But I think it would be a little too radical. Maybe if you could set up the second Death Star in Empire Strikes Back somehow? Maybe see a less formed DSII from the Executor bridge in Vader’s first ESB scene? It definitely is a criticism though.

I prefer removing the second DS entirely, with the Emperor’s Throne Room aboard a big Star Destroyer of some kind.

Regarding Mace’s lightsaber, it’s a reasonable question. You definitely haven’t been the only one who has wanted to do that, like you said, jack had done it for AOTC, and I know Adywan was planning on changing it to either blue or green for his now-cancelled Revisited Prequels.

Another thought I had regarding saber colors, instead of changing Mace’s saber color, why not throw in one or two more purple sabers during the arena battle to show, while it is rare, it isn’t completely unique. Especially considering there are 10,000 Jedi and it would be really surprising if he were the only one with a purple lightsaber. I don’t think fans would have been as bothered by his saber if he wasn’t the only Jedi with a purple saber. And even if 1% of Jedi had purple lightsabers, that would still be 100 Jedi.

You could even throw in one or two yellow lightsabers as well (they’re in The Clone Wars so they’re even technically canon). I would even like to see blue and green sabers with slightly different hues, but I think that would be too much work for not much of a difference. And if one Jedi had a yellow lightsaber when they go to arrest the Chancellor, each Jedi would have a lightsaber of each Jedi color. Seems symbolic, like they represent the whole of the Jedi Order and their downfall or something. But you also have to ask if these kind of changes really “improve” the story or they’re just for fun. But at least adding one more purple lightsaber to the arena would be the least amount of work for the most influence on the story/world building in my opinion, without having to change what already exists.

It should either be all Jedi are blue, or Jedi are every color of the rainbow. Green and Blue is really awkward, and it’s made worse with the single instance of purple. I’d be okay with just “balanced” characters having green (Qui-Gon, Luke), but most Jedi should have blue.

It would’ve been cool to see Anakin with a red saber, I remember a lot of the ROTS marketing had him with a red one. Sparked my young imagination. I would be weary of having lightsaber change colors though, because if you do it in one situation it raises questions of why doesn’t this character’s lightsaber change color in this situation either. Though it would be cool to see though!

But why?

Regarding “Obi-Wan once thought as you do”, I would either want it to be changed to “your mother” (using his bible audiobooks is a good idea), or just cut the line entirely. The scene still works without the line. But with Padmé dying tragically, I think it would be a nice callback to her character, and help connect Luke’s motivation to her’s, which would help connect the trilogies. It’s been a commonly mentioned thing so it would be cool for someone to attempt it! Voice manipulation isn’t a bad idea either Zerome!

About the Clone army thing. It seemed like a lot of people were confused by Stormtroopers not being clones in the sequel trilogy, even though Stormtroopers in the OT weren’t clones either. BUT, I honestly don’t blame anyone who thought this was the case. If you just watch the movies, it is easy to assume that the clones in the prequels just evolve into the Stormtroopers of the originals, and you just attribute the different accent/heights/etc. to when they were filmed (I think George even felt the Stormtroopers were clones, since he threw in Jango bumping his head on the Slave 1 door as an Easter egg).

The only way you really know they aren’t for sure is by reading or watching material outside of the movies, which I kind of feel shouldn’t be necessary. I think clones being only used in the prequels is still valuable to those movies, because they were the secret weapon that helped eradicate the Jedi Order, leaving Vader to finish off the remaining few. To make it clearer that OT Stormtroopers aren’t clones, would it be blasphemous to add a one or two female Stormtrooper lines into the OT? I think that would be the simplest way to make it pretty clear that they aren’t clones.

That’s actually a brilliant way to subtly clarify that. Then again, I suppose some people might think they simply started growing clones from other templates.

Anakin Starkiller said:

My preference is making the conflict of the ST a proxy war with two groups within the Senate funding the Resistance and the First Order.

This is an interesting idea! I also had been thinking about the possibility of the Empire (or Imperial Remnant) and the First Order being two separate things. Maybe the Remnant is minding its own business when the First Order strikes, and they invade both the New Republic and offer the Remnant a chance to surrender.

I figured the Remnant would be reduced to the point of having no choice but to join the Republic or go into exile. The latter group became the First Order while the former became their backers. I guess your idea could work too, but how and why?

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If there is a way to remove the DSII in a quality way, then I would be ok with that. I would be afraid there is not a way to make it look believable or done perfectly to justify it.

I admit when it comes to lightsabers I never personally cared about the colors and whatnot.

For the Obi Wan once that as you do matter, I think I would try to change it to mother. I would not use Padme’s name. That name would mean nothing to Luke, it would have more impact if it was “mother.”

As for the First Order stuff, I would try to show Star Destroyers fleeing after the battle, that would help with the concept of the “early” years of the First Order.

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I would not remove Death Star II. It’s iconic, it’s something that’s a big part of Star Wars, like it or not. I mean, it’s even the logo for this website.

As a general rule, I wouldn’t remove things people expect to see when they watch a certain Star Wars movie. That includes major characters, settings and plot points. Like, if it would be on the poster of the movie, leave it. Jar Jar, ewoks, DSII, Star Killer Base, etc.

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Wow! This is all very exciting! And yet borderline terrifying. Let’s all try to remember that the colour of Mace Windu’s lightsaber, renaming Snoke “Plaguis”, and removing “Darth” from other Sith’s names aren’t continuity issues whatsoever. They are personal preferences, and the only way a group this size is going to come remotely close to a consensus will be if we stick to issues that specifically affect continuity. For example, the ST doesn’t really consist of any continuity issues at this point. Especially since 9 isn’t even out yet. While it sucks that the background of the Resistance and the First Order isn’t covered extensively in the films, their existence makes sense and doesn’t contradict anything other than people’s expectations.

Just wanted to get my 2-cents in, as it seems like very recently this thread has been on the verge of containing too many purely subjective opinions. RogueLeader and EddieDean (among others), your level-headedness will prove very helpful in this regard! Thanks for keeping this thread on track.

By the way, I’m the guy who did the very brief voiceover in TFA: Revisited and would be willing to do some VO work if needed. I’m gonna continue following this thread with great interest!

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Anakin Starkiller said:

That’s actually a brilliant way to subtly clarify that. Then again, I suppose some people might think they simply started growing clones from other templates.

I figured the Remnant would be reduced to the point of having no choice but to join the Republic or go into exile. The latter group became the First Order while the former became their backers. I guess your idea could work too, but how and why?

Yeah, there definitely would be people who just assume that they had just gotten new clone templates, but I think the percent of people who would think that would significantly drop with this kind of change. You could also try to have more variety regarding pitch, age, accent. But I feel like Stormies with an American accent is so standard that hearing British or other accents might seem off. I also would want to avoid replacing the more iconic Stormtrooper lines throughout the movies as well.

While I enjoy thinking of more radical changes, I personally think the best kind of changes are ones that are small and subtle, but can have the most impact.

And what you described about the Imperial Remnant is pretty much what happened, I think! In the decades after the Battle of Endor, a lot of the senators idealized the Empire and their more centralized form of government because the Empire could get stuff done. And, like I said earlier, some senators were aware of the First Order and even undermined the Senate to help weaken the New Republic’s position. But it was a spectrum, not all senators who romanticized the Empire were secret First Order supporters. Many believed in the New Republic, but just wanted to adapt what worked with the Empire rather than just repeat what the Old Republic did wrong. But I imagine those that were FO supporters/spies had ties to the Old Empire from before it collapsed. You really should read Bloodlines if you haven’t!

And I don’t think my idea regarding the remnant would work, it is just more of a fun idea. But I think your idea is pretty similar to what the canon has been implying, so finding ways to make that more apparent within the films themselves would be interesting.

I definitely agree with you Ridley. While it’d be cool to see someone attempt that in edit, like Snooker’s. He’s doing an awesome job and it works for his project, but I think a change like that isn’t for this project. I think you’ve given another good rule of thumb for the project.

And thanks for helping us stay focused Abram! Like I said earlier, I like discussing ideas for subjective changes, but I think we should stick close to the rules set up by EddieDean. And I think Ridley makes a good point about not changing/removing very iconic aspects of the movies.

Also, thanks for offering to do VO work! That may just come in handy later.

I posted a working continuity issue list on the first post, so maybe we could start working our way down the list and discuss what deserves edits, what doesn’t, and what kind of edits are possible to fix those issues?

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Sir Ridley said:

I would not remove Death Star II. It’s iconic, it’s something that’s a big part of Star Wars, like it or not. I mean, it’s even the logo for this website.

As a general rule, I wouldn’t remove things people expect to see when they watch a certain Star Wars movie. That includes major characters, settings and plot points. Like, if it would be on the poster of the movie, leave it. Jar Jar, ewoks, DSII, Star Killer Base, etc.

I beg to differ, with an entire saga edit we have the ability to omit certain things most edits cannot. For example, if we wanted to make the republic troopers not clones, and just drafted citizens fighting evil droids, we could remove any instances of “clone” in the PT and cut the line about the Clone Wars from ANH. That’s something most prequel edits cannot do, and while I’m not saying we should do it it’s something to consider.

I don’t want to narrow the focus down too much, but as a counter to your examples:
I think Ewoks are too ingrained into the story of ROTJ to remove. DS2 is iconic but stupid if you think about it, I can see both sides. Jar Jar is universally hated, I don’t think anyone would oppose from his omission (if we could pull it off). Death Star 3 needs to die.

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I do agree with you Outbound, I think the Death Star II, Jar Jar, the Ewoks, Starkiler Base were bad ideas. I wish they wouldn’t have gone with them in the first place.

While I do think it is theoretically possible to make Starkiller Base just a base (I would like to see it done), or replace the Death Star II with something else, like a Super Star Destroyer (Snooker is doing it and I’m excited for the finished product), I think the farther we stray away from what we’re given in the films, the more subjective the changes become, which will make it harder to come to a consensus on those changes.

So for a lot of these issues I try to look at it this way. “How can we make it work better within the story?”

Instead of removing an element entirely, what can we add, trim, change, shift to help improve the positioning of those elements.

I like this quote from the Phantom Editor discussing Jar Jar:

“Removing [Jar Jar] entirely from the story just wouldn’t work and I’ll defend that, it wouldn’t. Would I have chosen to tell this story differently without him? Yeah, but that’s not the case. The case is, it’s George Lucas’ film, it’s his story… Being an editor, you want to take what’s there and try and make it the best [version] possible, and I guess that’s what I was trying to do.”

I think that’s what makes TFA: Restructured work. They could have made Starkiller Base not a giant laser, but instead of removing it completely they said, “Okay, there’s another Death Star. Removing it would be extremely difficult, so instead, could we improve its function within the story?” I think this is the approach that should be taken.

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RogueLeader said:

I do agree with you Outbound, I think the Death Star II, Jar Jar, the Ewoks, Starkiller Base were bad ideas. I wish they wouldn’t have gone with them in the first place.

While I do think it is theoretically possible to make Starkiller Base just a base (I would like to see it done), or replace the Death Star II with something else, like a Super Star Destroyer (Snooker is doing it and I’m excited about the finished product), I think the farther we stray away from what we’re given in the films, the more subjective the changes become, which will make it harder to come to a consensus on those changes.

So for a lot of these issues, I try to look at it this way. “How can we make it work better within the story?”

Instead of removing an element entirely, what can we add, trim, change, shift to help improve the positioning of those elements.

I like this quote from the Phantom Editor discussing Jar Jar:

“Removing [Jar Jar] entirely from the story just wouldn’t work and I’ll defend that, it wouldn’t. Would I have chosen to tell this story differently without him? Yeah, but that’s not the case. The case is, it’s George Lucas’ film, it’s his story… Being an editor, you want to take what’s there and try and make it the best [version] possible, and I guess that’s what I was trying to do.”

I think that’s what makes TFA: Restructured work. They could have made Starkiller Base, not a giant laser, but instead of removing it completely they said, “Okay, there’s another Death Star. Removing it would be extremely difficult, so instead, could we improve its function within the story?” I think this is the approach that should be taken.

I think that JarJ needs to be removed and replaced with a non-racist caricature character.

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You can’t remove the director and I don’t see how he’s a racist caricature. And I thought he did pretty good all things considered.

Oh you meant binks.

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AbramPT said:

Wow! This is all very exciting! And yet borderline terrifying. Let’s all try to remember that the colour of Mace Windu’s lightsaber, renaming Snoke “Plaguis”, and removing “Darth” from other Sith’s names aren’t continuity issues whatsoever. They are personal preferences, and the only way a group this size is going to come remotely close to a consensus will be if we stick to issues that specifically affect continuity. For example, the ST doesn’t really consist of any continuity issues at this point. Especially since 9 isn’t even out yet. While it sucks that the background of the Resistance and the First Order isn’t covered extensively in the films, their existence makes sense and doesn’t contradict anything other than people’s expectations.

I think this is a really good point - those things you list aren’t continuity issues. They may raise the odd question, but they are not ‘broken’. Let’s try to always keep that in mind, when judging changes.

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Not sure how much help I’ll be in keeping my suggestions limited hahah D: so it’s good that others are on point to do that. RogueLeader, your reference of the Phantom Editor makes an excellent point. It’s super important to keep in mind what’s possible in editing, and to work within the films that we have for a project like this. I do think that certain ideas, like changing PT lightsaber colours, fall under the TFA Restructured principle of “improving the function of something within the story”. Improving narrative function goes a bit beyond resolving inconsistencies, but if it’s a simple and effective change then I’m fine with that.

Here’s my view on the proposed changes (for the suggestions that I’ve left out I’m either not sure how to fix them or don’t see them as being a problem):

As Jar Jar has been brought up a bit, one way to add some nuance to the Gungans (without removing Jar Jar as I agree that this can’t be done, it would break the plot of both ep1 and ep2) could be to dub them with a fake alien language with subtitles when two Gunguns are talking to each other, like in the swamp scene or the final battle of ep1. This would imply that their poor use of English/Basic is because it’s a second language for them.

Why is Mace Windu the only Jedi with a purple lightsaber? / Apparently it’s because Samuel L. Jackson really likes purple, and Lucas caved with no aesthetic or lore reason at all. So I’d prefer to change the colour and make it something more meaningful. As well as Windu, there are definitely some possibilities with all the background Jedi in the ep2 final battle, also with some of the other Jedi with Windu when they confront Palpatine, and possibly Ki-Adi-Mundi as his Order 66 death scene could be an option. I also dislike having only blue and green lightsabers in the PT as it seems like weak worldbuilding, so I’d prefer adding extra colours. Really enjoyed how this was done in the Knights of the Old Republic video games, with colours indicating different classes of Jedi. So I’d be interested in adding either some yellow sabers if we just want to keep it simple with green, blue, and yellow. Or we could go full rainbow and add some purple, yellow, and orange sabers, as this could be great as well.

Why was it never explained why Jedi Master “Sifo-Dyas” ordered the clone army? / Although this subplot is really convoluted, the President of Kamino does tell Obi-Wan that the army is for the Republic, so we could assume that Sifo-Dyas was basically a rogue Jedi who ordered a clone army on the side. I don’t think this is exactly a continuity error, but we could think about how to make the plot a bit more clear here.

Why does Count Dooku just tell Obi-Wan the Sith’s strategy for undermining the Senate? / This is likely too radical for this project, but we could cut Dooku being Sidious’ apprentice. However, for this to work we’d likely need to cut Sidious being in control of the Separatists in both ep2 and ep3.

Why does Yoda run away from his fight with Palpatine? / My preference is to cut the fight, as in Hal’s ep3 edit. However, that’s likely not appropriate for this project, so perhaps we should leave it as it is.

Why does the Death Star take so long to build?/ One option could be to use the shot in Hal’s V3 ep3 edit, where Coruscant replaces the Death Star.

What’s up with Anakin’s yellow Sith eyes? Why does Anakin momentarily get them but we don’t see Dooku, Luke when he almost killed Vader, or Kylo Ren ever have them? / Would be great to remove Anakin’s Sith eyes if possible.

Why does 3PO mention the princess on board Tantive IV, then doesn’t know about the princess when he is with Luke? / Adywan’s solution could be the way to go on this. Though, following the PT, wouldn’t it be fair for the audience to assume that 3PO is now Leia’s butler (and this seems to be the case in ep5)?

On the problem of having two Death Stars, although it does bother me it’s probably best to leave it alone, as I’m not sure how this could be easily fixed.

Why doesn’t Obi-Wan remember R2 or 3PO? / As he’s trying to deceive Luke about Vader. Could cut Obi-Wan’s line “I don’t seem to remember ever owning a droid” to alleviate this.

“Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough…”/ Either cut the line or change it to “I wanted you to have this…” if possible.

Are stormtroopers clones? / I’d prefer to keep them as clones throughout the saga, and assume that they use different templates (for Jango, Finn, Phasma, etc). As droids are important throughout the saga, and the droids vs. clones theme of the PT helps to set this up. This would require two cuts in ep7: scene on the star destroyer bridge, cut part of Kylo’s line “perhaps Leader Snoke should consider using a clone army” to Hux; scene in Maz’s bar, cut part of Finn’s line “taken from a family I’ll never know, and” to Rey, so his line reads as “like all of them I was | raised to do one thing”. This could also be supported by adding part of the ep8 extended megadestroyer infiltration deleted scene, as some lines could imply that Finn is a clone. It’s not an obvious continuity error, just removing a retcon I’d prefer wasn’t in the films.

What was Luke’s plan to save Han? / No idea what Luke had in mind, but making a sensible plan would likely require substantially restructuring the first act of ep6, which may be beyond the scope of this project.

How can Leia remember her mother, when Padme died in childbirth? / Cut Padme’s death in ep3, probably as in Hal’s ep3 edit.

Leia is Luke’s sister? Incest vibes? / Basically this would mean making some simple cuts throughout the OT, which should be easy enough. Not sure if this qualifies as a continuity error, though maybe if they’d known from the beginning that Luke and Leia would be siblings then it would’ve been left out.

  • ep4: when R2 shows Luke the hologram of Leia, remove Luke’s line “she’s beautiful”; in the Falcon cockpit, after the heroes have escaped the Death Star, cut the rest of the conversation after Han’s line “I’m trying not to kid”, to remove Han making fun of Luke for being attracted to Leia.
  • ep5: cut Luke and Leia’s kiss on Hoth (the cut can be covered with a reaction shot of Luke from earlier in the scene).
  • ep6: scene where Luke leaves to confront Vader, cut from Han’s line “Hey, what’s going on?” to Leia’s line “Hold me”, to remove Leia being a bit hysterical and Han being suspicious; kiss between Han and Leia after the Death Star is destroyed, cut from Han’s line “You love him, don’t you?” to Leia’s line “It’s not like that at all, he’s my brother”. Not totally necessary to remove this part of the conversation, but it’s a weird exchange.

Not all of these cuts may be necessary, but they’re all the scenes that could be considered related to the incest subplot.

“Obi-Wan once thought as you do…” / Adding “your mother” to the “Obi-Wan once thought as you do” line would be a great solution, if an appropriate source could be found.

How can two trees destroy an armored battle vehicle like an AT-ST? / Cut this shot, I’d also cut the Ewoks trying to trip up an AT-ST with a rope and shoot it with a catapult, as it makes them look ridiculous.

How did Anakin know how to become a force ghost? / My preference here is to cut the shot of the force ghosts. I don’t think Anakin should have this power as part of his redemption is accepting his own death, but this change is likely beyond the scope of this project.

Why isn’t hyper speed ramming more of a thing? / One solution could be to cut the majority of the silent part of this scene, so we only see the destruction of the megadestroyer and not the annihilation of most of the First Order fleet. Then the hyperspace kamikaze move would be more like a standard fire ship tactic, but this is likely too radical.

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Sir Ridley said:

I would not remove Death Star II. It’s iconic, it’s something that’s a big part of Star Wars, like it or not. I mean, it’s even the logo for this website.

Yes, I agree it’s more iconic than DS I due to its more interesting design, but I can easily think of it as DS I while still under construction.

As a general rule, I wouldn’t remove things people expect to see when they watch a certain Star Wars movie. That includes major characters, settings and plot points. Like, if it would be on the poster of the movie, leave it. Jar Jar, ewoks, DSII, Star Killer Base, etc.

You know I usually apply the same philosophy to my edits; I don’t change things that would cause major discrepancies with canon. I think a good rule of thumb is “Is it in Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga?” No one talks in that game, so you can get away with changing small informed plot points, but the rest is pretty clear. My edits should function as replacements to the originals, so you should be able to discuss the film having only seen the edits…to an extent. That said, I make exceptions for things I find just too monumentally stupid to include, continuity be damned. The only elements that are that bad are Leia being Luke’s sister (universe-shrinking) and additional Death Stars. Oh and I did remove Anakin building C-3PO, but I wouldn’t consider that nearly as big of a sin (even though in theory it should be as bad as Leia Skywalker). It’s just kinda pointless.

Anyway, back on topic, what I do with Starkiller Base is just make it a base. Not some superweapon, just a base. If they really wanted it to be a superweapon they should’ve at least stuck with the original name Doomstar, which reflects its status as a beefed up Death Star, rather than Starkiller Base, which is a questionably placed nod to Luke’s original last name, functionality be damned. Oh and sure, it does literally kill stars, but then again star destroyers don’t literally destroy stars. I guess the problem for me is that I can’t not see it as a last name, and naming the base after someone just feels weird. Okay, well, there goes another tangent. Anyway, I think DS II has to go. The Emperor is aboard the Eclipse; end of story. That said, it’s kinda funny how this unintentionally makes TLJ retroactively more similar to RotJ (Snoke was aboard the Supremacy).