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chyron8472 said:

Dune is split up into 3 “books”. I told my wife I was getting to the end of book 1 but still didn’t know what was going on, or who these people are, or why I should care. She said she remembered reading Dune once upon a time and couldn’t get into it, and suggested I stop reading it. So I did.

JEDIT: War and Peace is such more interesting, coming back to it after the confusing snoozefest that was Dune.

You and I are enemies now.

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ChainsawAsh said:

chyron8472 said:

Dune is split up into 3 “books”. I told my wife I was getting to the end of book 1 but still didn’t know what was going on, or who these people are, or why I should care. She said she remembered reading Dune once upon a time and couldn’t get into it, and suggested I stop reading it. So I did.

JEDIT: War and Peace is such more interesting, coming back to it after the confusing snoozefest that was Dune.

You and I are enemies now.

You go for his kneecaps. I’ll work over his face.

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It’s not that I dislike science fiction. Ender’s Game is science fiction and I love that.

I guess wasn’t interested in the politics of Dune. Which… as I look at the synopsis on Wiki, seems to be much of the story. There are also a bunch of names and terms, and it was difficult for me to follow.

Granted I was listening and not reading so maybe reading it would have made things easier to track, but my wife said she had difficulty getting into it when she read it.

I would have kept listening had she not said anything, but I still don’t think I would have enjoyed it.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

It’s not that I dislike science fiction. Ender’s Game is science fiction and I love that.

I guess wasn’t interested in the politics of Dune. Which… as I look at the synopsis on Wiki, seems to be much of the story. There are also a bunch of names and terms, and it was difficult for me to follow.

Granted I was listening and not reading so maybe reading it would have made things easier to track, but my wife said she had difficulty getting into it when she read it.

I would have kept listening had she not said anything, but I still don’t think I would have enjoyed it.

Politics are an aspect of it, but it is (or at least becomes) more an exploration of the philosophical and ethical ramifications of having power than actual politics, if that makes sense.

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I always get a little annoyed when people imply that political angles of books are inherently bad. Unless the politics of a work of art are totally reprehensible I enjoy it. A lot of people complained about Black Panther being political, but isn’t that a good thing that they had a deeper story as opposed to the usual Marvel formula?

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Yeah, but in Black Panther, the morally/politically correct person is the villain, so there’s that.

EDIT: Maybe not “politically correct” as the term is popularly viewed, and maybe not entirely morally correct since he kills some people, but still, Killmonger was right.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Yeah, but in Black Panther, the morally/politically correct person is the villain, so there’s that.

EDIT: Maybe not “politically correct” as the term is popularly viewed, and maybe not entirely morally correct since he kills some people, but still, Killmonger was right.

I haven’t seen it, but isn’t it commendable that they made a morally challenging story with flawed heroes and villains instead of just a movie where they tell jokes for two hours and then fight a big alien at the end?

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moviefreakedmind said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Yeah, but in Black Panther, the morally/politically correct person is the villain, so there’s that.

EDIT: Maybe not “politically correct” as the term is popularly viewed, and maybe not entirely morally correct since he kills some people, but still, Killmonger was right.

I haven’t seen it, but isn’t it commendable that they made a morally challenging story with flawed heroes and villains instead of just a movie where they tell jokes for two hours and then fight a big alien at the end?

Yes. I agree with you, I’m just saying that I think the villain was right.

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moviefreakedmind said:

I always get a little annoyed when people imply that political angles of books are inherently bad. Unless the politics of a work of art are totally reprehensible I enjoy it. A lot of people complained about Black Panther being political, but isn’t that a good thing that they had a deeper story as opposed to the usual Marvel formula?

I think the politics they’re talking about are more like the boring Senate procedure stuff in TPM. Could be wrong though.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Yeah, but in Black Panther, the morally/politically correct person is the villain, so there’s that.

EDIT: Maybe not “politically correct” as the term is popularly viewed, and maybe not entirely morally correct since he kills some people, but still, Killmonger was right.

That’s why Black Panther is great. T’Challa’s worldview is challenged and he ultimately takes Kilmonger’s message to heart… so yeah he was right, but Kilmonger was also a murderer trying to commit mass murder, so I don’t think one can really say he was “maybe” morally wrong…

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DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I always get a little annoyed when people imply that political angles of books are inherently bad. Unless the politics of a work of art are totally reprehensible I enjoy it. A lot of people complained about Black Panther being political, but isn’t that a good thing that they had a deeper story as opposed to the usual Marvel formula?

I think the politics they’re talking about are more like the boring Senate procedure stuff in TPM. Could be wrong though.

Oh, okay, that’s a little different. I think of that as just boring writing rather than “bad politics”.

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DominicCobb said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Yeah, but in Black Panther, the morally/politically correct person is the villain, so there’s that.

EDIT: Maybe not “politically correct” as the term is popularly viewed, and maybe not entirely morally correct since he kills some people, but still, Killmonger was right.

That’s why Black Panther is great. T’Challa’s worldview is challenged and he ultimately takes Kilmonger’s message to heart… so yeah he was right, but Kilmonger was also a murderer trying to commit mass murder, so I don’t think one can really say he was “maybe” morally wrong…

That’s why I was tempted to watch it.

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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I always get a little annoyed when people imply that political angles of books are inherently bad. Unless the politics of a work of art are totally reprehensible I enjoy it. A lot of people complained about Black Panther being political, but isn’t that a good thing that they had a deeper story as opposed to the usual Marvel formula?

I think the politics they’re talking about are more like the boring Senate procedure stuff in TPM. Could be wrong though.

Oh, okay, that’s a little different. I think of that as just boring writing rather than “bad politics”.

Yes. No, I’m not saying politics in a story is inherently bad. I read Star Wars: Bloodline at one point, which is a story about Leia between ROTJ and TFA. She was part of the senate of the New Republic at the time, and the story, in part, explored her activities as a senator. That book was not boring. Nor was Fire and Fury (the book about Trump.)

I’m not saying politics in a story is objectively bad. I’m saying it may be subjectively unenjoyable for me, but likely also due to how it’s written.

 
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chyron8472 said:

It’s not that I dislike science fiction. Ender’s Game is science fiction and I love that.

I guess wasn’t interested in the politics of Dune. Which… as I look at the synopsis on Wiki, seems to be much of the story. There are also a bunch of names and terms, and it was difficult for me to follow.

Granted I was listening and not reading so maybe reading it would have made things easier to track, but my wife said she had difficulty getting into it when she read it.

I would have kept listening had she not said anything, but I still don’t think I would have enjoyed it.

Politics are an aspect of [Dune], but it is (or at least becomes) more an exploration of the philosophical and ethical ramifications of having power than actual politics, if that makes sense.

Also, this summarization does not sound interesting to me at all.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Does anyone have any recommendations for an intelligently written yet extremely vulgar book? I really want to read another book filled with wicked violence, repugnant sexual deviancy, and revolting situations but that still tells a fantastic story and has some fascinating message on the human condition.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Does anyone have any recommendations for an intelligently written yet extremely vulgar book? I really want to read another book filled with wicked violence, repugnant sexual deviancy, and revolting situations but that still tells a fantastic story and has some fascinating message on the human condition.

The only books I can think of that have the level of violence and degradation you want are the fictional bibles of the Jews and Christians. Either look at those or read the comments section on a political post on Facebook.

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LordZerome1080 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Does anyone have any recommendations for an intelligently written yet extremely vulgar book? I really want to read another book filled with wicked violence, repugnant sexual deviancy, and revolting situations but that still tells a fantastic story and has some fascinating message on the human condition.

The only books I can think of that have the level of violence and degradation you want are the fictional bibles of the Jews and Christians.

Wow.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Dek Rollins said:

LordZerome1080 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Does anyone have any recommendations for an intelligently written yet extremely vulgar book? I really want to read another book filled with wicked violence, repugnant sexual deviancy, and revolting situations but that still tells a fantastic story and has some fascinating message on the human condition.

The only books I can think of that have the level of violence and degradation you want are the fictional bibles of the Jews and Christians.

Wow.

Care to elaborate?

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I suppose I’m being a bit of a hypocrite, but casually mocking religious beliefs you don’t agree with makes you sound like a self-righteous asshole.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Dek Rollins said:

I suppose I’m being a bit of a hypocrite, but casually mocking religious beliefs you don’t agree with makes you sound like a self-righteous asshole.

Again with the name calling.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Does anyone have any recommendations for an intelligently written yet extremely vulgar book? I really want to read another book filled with wicked violence, repugnant sexual deviancy, and revolting situations but that still tells a fantastic story and has some fascinating message on the human condition.

Chuck Palahniuk’s work (writer of Fight Club) sounds like what you’re looking for. Check out Survivor, *Lullaby", or Diary. I’ve heard good things about Invisible Monsters but never read it.

Another suggestion would be Bret Easton Ellis (American Psycho, The Rules of Attraction).

And of course you have one of my favorite books of all time, Anthony Burgess’ A Clockwork Orange.

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ChainsawAsh said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Does anyone have any recommendations for an intelligently written yet extremely vulgar book? I really want to read another book filled with wicked violence, repugnant sexual deviancy, and revolting situations but that still tells a fantastic story and has some fascinating message on the human condition.

Chuck Palahniuk’s work (writer of Fight Club) sounds like what you’re looking for. Check out Survivor, *Lullaby", or Diary. I’ve heard good things about Invisible Monsters but never read it.

Another suggestion would be Bret Easton Ellis (American Psycho, The Rules of Attraction).

And of course you have one of my favorite books of all time, Anthony Burgess’ A Clockwork Orange.

Thank you for not name calling.

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LordZerome1080 said:

Dek Rollins said:

I suppose I’m being a bit of a hypocrite, but casually mocking religious beliefs you don’t agree with makes you sound like a self-righteous asshole.

Again with the name calling.

But this time I called myself a name.

You see, when the words used are actually descriptions of someone’s behavior rather than a juvenile insult, it isn’t simply “name calling.”

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.