Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 708

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cardinal-george-pell-sexual-abuse-charges-court-australia-melbourne-vatican-pope-francis-a8240821.html

This is an old article that I somehow missed last month. I would normally say some disparaging things about this man and then tear up a photo of him because he’s probably a child-rapist but then I realized that he’s a cardinal in the Catholic Church so I figured I should show him some respect and just pretend that nothing happened.

EDIT: I was asked recently by a now departed user named Warbler why I hate Pope Francis, and this is a great reason. This man has had multiple accusations of child molestation leveled against him for over a decade, yet Francis continued to allow him a high-ranking position in the Church. It’s even worse than Trump’s support of Roy Moore. The article also mentions his honoring and memorializing of an American Catholic official that covered up some aspects of the child-rape scandals. Pope Francis is an insult to the morals that I hold dear. I may respect his more liberal approach to the environment and stuff like that, but I can’t forgive him for this shit.

SilverWook said:

I hope his golf courses all have giant gophers that dance to Kenny Loggins.

Best Politics post in a long time.

Collipso said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/03/police-on-the-scene-at-youtube-headquarters-with-reports-of-an-active-shooter-.html

Ok, so apparently a woman this time. 4 wounded from what I’ve read.

I haven’t posted anything about this in here (I don’t think), but I’ve noticed a disturbing trend amongst some liberals who have decided to shrug off the gun control issue and make mass shootings about gender. Michael Ian Black is an example and a number of liberal rags online have claimed that mass shootings are actually just the fault of “toxic masculinity” and other made-up gender problems. It’s dangerous because the right-wing is already trying to ignore the real issue, which is that guns are too easily available for anyone who wants one, and we can’t afford to have the left start bullshitting the issue too. When it comes to gun violence there are only two issues that need to be addressed. Issue number one: gun control. Issue number two: mental health. And those issues are in order of importance. Gun control is the main issue, and mental health is second. Anything else is just a horrible distraction from reality. Gun violence isn’t a result of toxic masculinity, or prayer being removed from schools, or government false-flags, or any kind of other conspiratorial nonsense. Anyone who distracts from gun control in this debate is completely unhelpful and is at least partially at fault for prolonging America’s gun violence problem.

DominicCobb said:

“Made up gender problems.” Classic.

In this case they are. If you are coopting the gun-control debate to make it about some other issue that it has nothing to do with gun violence, then you are “problematic”. I don’t understand why that’s hard to grasp, but go ahead and not actually address anything that I said. That’ll really convince me that you know what you’re talking about.

I’m also not trying to make a false equivalence between the left and right, because the right is by far the worst when it comes to lying about and shifting the subject away from gun control, but I found it disturbing that major outlets on the left have started doing the same thing.

If you read my post then it was obvious that I was saying that obfuscating the gun control issue and shifting focus to some other political agenda is counter-productive and is a primary reason as to why nothing ever happens on gun control. If you think Elliot Rodgers wouldn’t have done what he did if he had just been lectured on toxic masculinity, then you’re delusional, just like how the conservatives that blamed Columbine on Marylyn Manson and video games were delusional. Gun control is the only solution, and then it must be followed by better mental health care. If you bothered read my post then you’d have known that this was my point. Instead, you just quoted it out of context presumably to make me look like some anti-woman asshole. I’d rather you just not say anything at all rather than libelous bullshit.

Possessed said:

DominicCobb said:

“Made up gender problems.” Classic.

Oh come on. Unless I’m grossly misreading him all he is saying is that gender identity being tied to mass shootings is made up. I don’t think he is saying gender identity problems are made up in general.

Nope. I just hate gender and want to pretend like there are no gender problems.

“made up gender problems” - mfm, 2018. Didn’t you read it?

Oh sorry, you must’ve read my entire post and interpreted like a sane person.

Handman said:

This thread really sucks.

Ah, you should have seen the original! On second thought, you didn’t miss anything.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Mrebo said:

Handman said:

This thread really sucks.

Ah, you should have seen the original! On second thought, you didn’t miss anything.

Handman’s been around since '14, so he had plenty of time to familiarize himself with that eldritch abomination before it was sealed in its extradimensional prison.

Oh, I’m so sorry anyway.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

If you read my post then it was obvious that I was saying that obfuscating the gun control issue and shifting focus to some other political agenda is counter-productive and is a primary reason as to why nothing ever happens on gun control. If you think Elliot Rodgers wouldn’t have done what he did if he had just been lectured on toxic masculinity, then you’re delusional, just like how the conservatives that blamed Columbine on Marylyn Manson and video games were delusional. Gun control is the only solution, and then it must be followed by better mental health care. If you bothered read my post then you’d have known that this was my point. Instead, you just quoted it out of context presumably to make me look like some anti-woman asshole. I’d rather you just not say anything at all rather than libelous bullshit.

You assume too much.

I’m going to assume that you either agree with me (which would be giving you the benefit of the doubt) or are incapable of coherently voicing your opinion on this since you’re refusing to do it.

I just find it important to shut down any and everybody who tries to undermine the importance of gun control regardless of what other less important issue they bring up. I’ll use Elliot Rodgers as an example. He was a misogynist but there’s a 100% chance that no amount of lecturing him about toxic masculinity (whatever the fuck that is) would have prevented his rampage. The only things that would have prevented his killing spree would have been proper gun control to prevent him from getting access to the weapons he used to kill and injure half of his victims, followed by better mental health care in this country to notice that he was a deluded sack of shit beforehand and throw into an asylum. It’s not about video games, it’s not about art and entertainment, it’s not about gender, it’s about guns being accessible to violent and deluded people. And that’s all that America’s gun problem has ever been about.

And if we’re going to talk about toxic anything I think a more accurate term would be “toxic humanity” because human beings as a whole are pretty defective and toxic.

Jeebus said:

It’s a good first step, but I’m not sure if it’ll have any real effect.

California lawmakers propose legislation restricting when police can shoot

California state lawmakers are proposing legislation that would impose new restrictions on when a law enforcement officer can open fire.

Under the legislation, officers would only be allowed to open fire if “there were no other reasonable alternatives to the use of deadly force." The Associated Press first reported the legislation, which is supported by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and other groups.

The proposal comes after the fatal police shooting of Stephon Clark, an unarmed black man in Sacramento.

Clark was shot by Sacramento police last month while unarmed in the backyard of his grandmother’s house.

The legislation would shift the current “reasonable force” rule to a “necessary force” standard, according to the AP.

It won’t do anything because there is no punishment for shooting people to death if you’re a cop. You might lose your job. Cops need to be punished severely for maiming, injuring, or killing any man, woman, child, or pet without cause. Even if a cop kills someone by an accident, he or she should be imprisoned just like any of us would be if we killed someone by mistake.

Wow, the right-wing backlash online I’m seeing to this California law is startling. They literally find it objectionable that a cop be expected to only shoot people if their lives are in danger. People in America support the police like no other. Also, isn’t it conservatives that demand we all respect the flag and worship during sporting events? Yet they’re typically the ones that tout that blue-striped caricature of the American flag. Isn’t that disrespectful to the good old red, white, and blue?