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The Last Jedi : a Fan Edit Ideas thread — Page 33

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One thing I’ve really wanted to do is see the inclusion of the song “The Jedi Steps” (from The Force Awakens) overlayed with the climatic moment of Luke walking out to confront Kylo Ren and the First Order.

Don’t get me wrong: the existing theme during that scene (“The Spark”) is great. But “The Jedi Steps” gives me chills — it’s the song that introduces us to Luke Skywalker for the first time in the sequel trilogy. Luke the legend, Luke the Jedi Master, Luke returns. That’s why I feel “The Jedi Steps” is so appropriate during the showdown on Crait.

I changed the key of the music so that it better matched the existing music, and added the sound effects.

Link: https://vimeo.com/261781728
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EDIT: Updated the video and changed several things to make the sequence much better.

“The Ziggy Edit” — A Conceptual Fanedit of Return of the Jedi

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844

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I really like using The Jedi Steps when Luke walks out. I do think a bit of rescoring there would be nice, but I also think using the Burning Homestead track would fit super well. I’ve been thinking of using it there for a while, just haven’t actually implemented it.

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ziggyonice said:

One thing I’ve really wanted to do is see the inclusion of the song “The Jedi Steps” (from The Force Awakens) overlayed with the climatic moment of Luke walking out to confront Kylo Ren and the First Order.

Don’t get me wrong: the existing theme during that scene (“The Spark”) is great. But “The Jedi Steps” gives me chills — it’s the song that introduces us to Luke Skywalker for the first time in the sequel trilogy. Luke the legend, Luke the Jedi Master, Luke returns. That’s why I feel “The Jedi Steps” is so appropriate during the showdown on Crait.

Anyway, I whipped it up in like 10 minutes just to get a feel of what it might look like with this change. This is far from perfect and doesn’t have sound effects or foley, but I’m curious to hear what people think.

Link: https://vimeo.com/261781728
Password: jedisteps

That’s awesome! I would deffiently use something like that in my fanedit.

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This works really great I think. Doubly so for me, as in my TFA edit I replaced Jedi Steps with the trailer score, and have always loved it. So this very much could work.

ziggyonice said:

One thing I’ve really wanted to do is see the inclusion of the song “The Jedi Steps” (from The Force Awakens) overlayed with the climatic moment of Luke walking out to confront Kylo Ren and the First Order.

Don’t get me wrong: the existing theme during that scene (“The Spark”) is great. But “The Jedi Steps” gives me chills — it’s the song that introduces us to Luke Skywalker for the first time in the sequel trilogy. Luke the legend, Luke the Jedi Master, Luke returns. That’s why I feel “The Jedi Steps” is so appropriate during the showdown on Crait.

Anyway, I whipped it up in like 10 minutes just to get a feel of what it might look like with this change. This is far from perfect and doesn’t have sound effects or foley, but I’m curious to hear what people think.

Link: https://vimeo.com/261781728
Password: jedisteps

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ziggyonice said:

One thing I’ve really wanted to do is see the inclusion of the song “The Jedi Steps” (from The Force Awakens) overlayed with the climatic moment of Luke walking out to confront Kylo Ren and the First Order.

Updated the video with foley and greatly improved the syncing of the score to the video. I changed the key of The Jedi Steps into A flat and upped the tempo just slightly to match the last note of the score when Luke kisses Leia on the forehead. This way, it sounds much smoother from one theme into the next.

https://vimeo.com/261781728
Password: jedisteps

“The Ziggy Edit” — A Conceptual Fanedit of Return of the Jedi

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844

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That did give me chills, not going to lie!

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Hal 9000 said:

Very nice, though I would hate to lose the original music. Remember, though, that the filmmakers were careful NOT to do any foley for his footsteps. 😉

Oh crap, I never even noticed that! Very clever!

And yes, the original music is also great. I just can’t get enough of The Jedi Steps, though. Just something fun to try.

“The Ziggy Edit” — A Conceptual Fanedit of Return of the Jedi

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844

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I saw this over on the Star Wars subreddit, and I wonder what people think:

Ben was being drawn to the dark side by Snoke. Luke had sensed this in him and went to confront him. He looked inside Ben and saw a vision that Snoke had already turned Ben and he would bring destruction and the end of everything he loved, so Luke in the briefest moment of instinct turned on his lightsaber.

I think the thing that makes it so hard to swallow this scene for many people is that it still doesn’t really look like instinct, despite what Luke says. There’s a bit too much telling here and not enough showing. I think if they had actually shown us Luke’s vision of Ben destroying everything, it might’ve helped put us in his shoes and understand why his instinct was to turn on that lightsaber. It’s made clear that this vision was very bad, so actually showing us that vision would help us clear up that it was just a brief moment of temptation and that Luke wasn’t actually going to follow through and kill Ben.

I still think it’s explained well enough, but the “show, don’t tell” rule exists for a reason, so I think they could’ve done a better job with this scene regardless.

So, this commentator is suggesting that, during Luke’s flashback scene where he reveals that, out of instinct, he ignited his lightsaber… to actually show the atrocities that Luke saw when he looked into Ben’s mind.

Perhaps it would be possible to use some of Rey’s flashback sequence from The Force Awakens during this brief scene to really sell the “instinctual” reason why Luke ignited his lightsaber.

Thoughts?

“The Ziggy Edit” — A Conceptual Fanedit of Return of the Jedi

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844

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ziggyonice said:

I saw this over on the Star Wars subreddit, and I wonder what people think:

Ben was being drawn to the dark side by Snoke. Luke had sensed this in him and went to confront him. He looked inside Ben and saw a vision that Snoke had already turned Ben and he would bring destruction and the end of everything he loved, so Luke in the briefest moment of instinct turned on his lightsaber.

I think the thing that makes it so hard to swallow this scene for many people is that it still doesn’t really look like instinct, despite what Luke says. There’s a bit too much telling here and not enough showing. I think if they had actually shown us Luke’s vision of Ben destroying everything, it might’ve helped put us in his shoes and understand why his instinct was to turn on that lightsaber. It’s made clear that this vision was very bad, so actually showing us that vision would help us clear up that it was just a brief moment of temptation and that Luke wasn’t actually going to follow through and kill Ben.

I still think it’s explained well enough, but the “show, don’t tell” rule exists for a reason, so I think they could’ve done a better job with this scene regardless.

So, this commentator is suggesting that, during Luke’s flashback scene where he reveals that, out of instinct, he ignited his lightsaber… to actually show the atrocities that Luke saw when he looked into Ben’s mind.

Perhaps it would be possible to use some of Rey’s flashback sequence from The Force Awakens during this brief scene to really sell the “instinctual” reason why Luke ignited his lightsaber.

Thoughts?

I’ve had this idea too. I would use bits from TFA and TLJ (perhaps even IX) and cut together a short distorted little nightmare vision that would cause Luke to ignite his saber almost in self defense.

One concern I have is that I imagine it can’t be too clear. I don’t know how looking at the future like that works in canon but I think the vision would have to almost imply things rather than clearly showing them. Like maybe it could show Kylo wearing a helmet and having a red saber, but I don’t think it could show exactly how the helmet or saber looks.

Anyway, that will be a fun thing to experiment with.

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Has anyone tried restoring the “Luke Has a Moment” scene into the movie. I ask because I’m trying to do it myself, but my trouble is that the musical score for that short scene is reused later in the movie when Luke and Rey have their discussion inside the Jedi library tree.

Any thoughts on what to use to re-score Luke’s moment or the Jedi Library? I think it’ll be more difficult to re-score the Jedi Library scene due to the dialouge and the fact that the audio channels are not separated very well.

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I think MOST edits will be implementing the Luke Has a Moment scene. Not sure why that was not included in theo movie … instead we got a milking a beach cow scene. 😉

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I have to say adding back “Luke has a Moment” seems like a mistake to me, as it throws off the whole structure if you cut back to Leia there.

I’m curious to see if people can fix the minor technical issues in the jacket scene, the one where BB-8 shows the hologram, the caretaker scenes, the extended Supremacy incursion, and the scene where Finn and Rose head to Crait.

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Putting that scene back in does require a restructure, but I think it might help when cutting significant parts of Canto Bight and/or incorporating other deleted scenes that may require more restructuring as well (like the caretaker village sequence).

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DominicCobb said:

I have to say adding back “Luke has a Moment” seems like a mistake to me, as it throws off the whole structure if you cut back to Leia there.

I’m curious to see if people can fix the minor technical issues in the jacket scene, the one where BB-8 shows the hologram, the caretaker scenes, the extended Supremacy incursion, and the scene where Finn and Rose head to Crait.

“Luke Has a Moment” definitely requires a restructure, which is what I spent most of last night doing. That scene cuts straight into Leia on the ship. I then added the “Jacket scene” which cuts to Poe and Leia’s altercation. After she says “Dead heroes, no leaders” there’s a few seconds hold on Poe’s face, which I used to wipe back to Ach-To to see Luke’s daily routine. That sequence plays out to the end of their conversation in the Jedi Library and then wipe from Rey’s face back to Finn looking at the display asking how Rey will be able to find them.

It’s not perfect, but it works pretty seamlessly. I think the trade-off is worth it.

By technical issues, are you talking mostly sound? I didn’t notice anything else wrong with the “Jacket scene”.

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pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

I have to say adding back “Luke has a Moment” seems like a mistake to me, as it throws off the whole structure if you cut back to Leia there.

I’m curious to see if people can fix the minor technical issues in the jacket scene, the one where BB-8 shows the hologram, the caretaker scenes, the extended Supremacy incursion, and the scene where Finn and Rose head to Crait.

“Luke Has a Moment” definitely requires a restructure, which is what I spent most of last night doing. That scene cuts straight into Leia on the ship. I then added the “Jacket scene” which cuts to Poe and Leia’s altercation. After she says “Dead heroes, no leaders” there’s a few seconds hold on Poe’s face, which I used to wipe back to Ach-To to see Luke’s daily routine. That sequence plays out to the end of their conversation in the Jedi Library and then wipe from Rey’s face back to Finn looking at the display asking how Rey will be able to find them.

It’s not perfect, but it works pretty seamlessly. I think the trade-off is worth it.

Could certainly work, but I feel like the pacing would suffer. In my mind the easiest solution would be to just transition from Luke having a moment to his daily routine.

By technical issues, are you talking mostly sound? I didn’t notice anything else wrong with the “Jacket scene”.

Nope, I mean unfinished visual effects (though the music will certainly cause headaches in a couple of the scenes). At the start of the jacket scene there’s some rough edges on Finn’s legs during the shot of BB-8.

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DominicCobb said:
Could certainly work, but I feel like the pacing would suffer. In my mind the easiest solution would be to just transition from Luke having a moment to his daily routine.

It unquestionably slows down the movie, but if you cut straight to the daily routine you miss the implied connection between Luke and Leia, which is what I love about it.

Nope, I mean unfinished visual effects (though the music will certainly cause headaches in a couple of the scenes). At the start of the jacket scene there’s some rough edges on Finn’s legs during the shot of BB-8.

Thanks for that tip. I’ll have to look a little closer.

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One idea I’ve been thinking about for the past few days is to push the “Luke’s Moment” deleted scene all the way to the point where Rey leaves Ach-Tu. I think that a lot of the issue people took with Luke’s characterization in TLJ was due to how bitter and dismissive he seemed. Obviously he ends up being the Luke Skywalker everybody loves, but we never really see that transition take place. He’s constantly bitter for 90 minutes, has the scene with Yoda, and then is suddenly the hero everybody has dreamt of. But if you move him having a moment in his hut to the point where Rey confronts him about how he turned Ben to the dark side, it’s a lot more meaningful.

I think that the intent of the deleted scene was to show his reaction to Han’s death, but it doesn’t come off that way. The sequence of events is “Where’s Han” < Kylo talking to Snoke < Kylo breaking his mask in the elevator < Rey telling Luke he needs to return < Luke Has A Moment. It doesn’t really fit. But if you have that deleted scene right after Luke talks about how he nearly killed Ben Solo, it takes on an entirely new meaning. You’d have to cut his brief fight with Rey, so that he seems much more defeated than furious, as well a few of his earlier lines. Some other cuts would be needed to accommodate for this of course, but I think that it could work.

It would also get rid of cutting to Leia in hyperspace for one shot only, and then immediately back to Rey and Luke, and there seems to be no clear consensus on how to approach this transition. With the change I’m thinking of, the sequence of events would be:
Luke tells Rey the truth and Rey leaves < Finn and Rose in Hyperspace with DJ < Poe finding out about Holdo’s plan < Rey being dropped off at Snoke’s Star Destroyer < Luke has a moment < Rey and Kylo in the elevator < Some antics while sneaking around Snoke’s ship < Luke communicating with Leia via The Force < Poe’s Mutiny. Then everything else is in the same order as the theatrical cut until Kylo declares himself Supreme Leader. After that moment we get Luke and Yoda’s scene. Obviously these are all just ideas floating around my head, and I’m sure once you actually sit down to edit the film, things will be different, but the general idea still stands.

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TK-422 said:

It would also get rid of cutting to Leia in hyperspace for one shot only, and then immediately back to Rey and Luke, and there seems to be no clear consensus on how to approach this transition.

Because that wasn’t the transition when the scene was still in the movie - it didn’t cut to Leia for one shot, then back. It cut to Leia and then followed the Resistance plot for a bit (with the Finn/Poe jacket scene, then the demotion scene).

Johnson said the Luke scene was a casualty of restructuring that portion of the film in post production - originally there was a lot more cutting back and forth between Ahch-To and the Resistance plotlines, but eventually they decided to stick with each plot for longer stretches of time.

Another example of this is the prison escape and fathier chase - the moment when it pans down to the manhole they escaped from in prison directly to the manhole they emerge from in the fathier stable? Johnson said in the commentary that that was an edit point where they would have transitioned back to Luke and Rey with an optical wipe.

Including a lot of the deleted scenes will require more restructuring than people seem to realize, I think, as several of them seem to have been casualties of reorganizing the footage in editing and won’t fit back into place without some more reshuffling.

I do like your idea of moving the Luke’s Moment scene though, that’s something I might have to play with myself.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Because that wasn’t the transition when the scene was still in the movie - it didn’t cut to Leia for one shot, then back. It cut to Leia and then followed the Resistance plot for a bit (with the Finn/Poe jacket scene, then the demotion scene).

Johnson said the Luke scene was a casualty of restructuring that portion of the film in post production - originally there was a lot more cutting back and forth between Ahch-To and the Resistance plotlines, but eventually they decided to stick with each plot for longer stretches of time.

Another example of this is the prison escape and fathier chase - the moment when it pans down to the manhole they escaped from in prison directly to the manhole they emerge from in the fathier stable? Johnson said in the commentary that that was an edit point where they would have transitioned back to Luke and Rey with an optical wipe.

Including a lot of the deleted scenes will require more restructuring than people seem to realize, I think, as several of them seem to have been casualties of reorganizing the footage in editing and won’t fit back into place without some more reshuffling.

I do like your idea of moving the Luke’s Moment scene though, that’s something I might have to play with myself.

Interesting, I have yet to listen to Rian Johnson’s commentary yet, so I’m hearing all of this for the first time now, but it makes sense, and I’m glad we get longer stretches spent with certain characters and subplots before jumping back to others. I agree that the deleted scenes will require some reshuffling, it seems like a lot of the don’t just fill in nicely.

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Exactly. That’s why several of them were cut - because they no longer fit with the structure of the film as it was shaped in the edit bay.

Rian insists that the caretaker scene was cut because Luke was too much of a jerk in it, and he thought it was better to go from Luke and Rey starting to understand each other into the hand touching scene rather than them being at each other’s throats at the time, but I think the restructuring was another big reason for that scene being lost, too.

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It’s really interesting to see just how much The Last Jedi changed in the editing room, some of the deleted scenes feel like they’re from a different film, many with setups and payoffs purely contained to the deleted scenes themselves (Finn going to “Where he belongs”). Obviously this happens with every movie, but considering how much deleted stuff we’re seeing from TLJ (20 minutes!), as well as the extensive documentary, it’s a super fascinating look into the production of the film, and makes me appreciate the final product even more.

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TK-422 said:

One idea I’ve been thinking about for the past few days is to push the “Luke’s Moment” deleted scene all the way to the point where Rey leaves Ach-Tu. I think that a lot of the issue people took with Luke’s characterization in TLJ was due to how bitter and dismissive he seemed. Obviously he ends up being the Luke Skywalker everybody loves, but we never really see that transition take place. He’s constantly bitter for 90 minutes, has the scene with Yoda, and then is suddenly the hero everybody has dreamt of. But if you move him having a moment in his hut to the point where Rey confronts him about how he turned Ben to the dark side, it’s a lot more meaningful.

This is an interesting idea and I’d like to see it implemented.

“The Ziggy Edit” — A Conceptual Fanedit of Return of the Jedi

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-The-Ziggy-Edit/id/17844