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You may not know this, but Lucas asked Kershner for his permission to make the changes, even though he didn't have to. Kershner gave Lucas his full blessing and even commented that he liked the changes. I think the only one he didn't like was the scream added to Luke's fall.
However, it doesn't matter. Lucas wrote the story to Empire Strikes Back and wrote the first draft of the script. It's Lucas' vision that Kershner was presenting. So Empire Strikes Back is Lucas' work and vision.

Also there is a difference. Lucas made the Star Wars movies. He is only modifying his own work. In most colorizing cases its not the original filmmaker colorizing it.
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Yep. I'd say that statement is hypocritical. George is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Nothing he does or says surprises me anymore.
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I posted my fully verbalized thoughts on this whole thing on my blog this morning. In case anyone's interested in reading it, here's the link.
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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
I posted my fully verbalized thoughts on this whole thing on my blog this morning. In case anyone's interested in reading it, here's the link.


Again the flaw in your logic is that George made the Star Wars trilogy the executives at Sony had no involvement in making the 3 stooges.
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Granted that the executives have no creative control over the Stooges, but it's not like the executives are forcing one version on consumers over another version. Lucas is only releasing one version; now he may be the creator of Star Wars, but why shouldn't he release both? That's the whole point of my argument. The color in the Stooges shorts is entirely optional; seeing the changes in the Trilogy on an official DVD release is not.
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Galahad...ding, ding, ding. Good answer. That is the whole point of the argument. We are being 'forced' to see these altered versions or not seeing the films on DVD at all.
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We need to be mindful of that force...sorry I couldn't resist.
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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Obi-Wonton...LOL! Thanks. I needed that.
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Granted that the executives have no creative control over the Stooges, but it's not like the executives are forcing one version on consumers over another version. Lucas is only releasing one version; now he may be the creator of Star Wars, but why shouldn't he release both? That's the whole point of my argument. The color in the Stooges shorts is entirely optional; seeing the changes in the Trilogy on an official DVD release is not.


exactly!!
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of course George Lucas would have problems with The Empire Strikes Back and Irvin Kirshner, it's widely considered the best in the series, and it's the one he had the least directorial control over.
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funny that this is Lucas' story yet someone else can tell it better than him.... ESPECIALLY NOW if they were given the chance...
hell i couldnt see it being any worse
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You know what I think? I think we should gather all that material, photos, old interviews, all those signatures, and send someone to debate with George Lucas on the issue. Maybe Jay could do it. Or maybe Kevin Smith, I don't know. Maybe he would release the original movies if confronted with the issues presented by the fans.
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Great idea, Ric! 'Tonight in the ring...being pulled out of seclusion and denial at gunpoint by rabid Trekkies For Hire...George 'The Indecisive' Lucas! On over in this corner, the competition...intending to set Lucas straight with words of fury is our panel of Star Wars Intervention Specialists, [insert debaters and their nicknames here]. Let the intervention begin!'

It would have to be a heated intervention...there's no other way around it...we need him to admit that he has a problem, and a boxing ring setting, complete with announcer, might help a bit.
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I'm reminded of the intervention in Family Guy...

"Peter, you've been wearing that giant foam cowboy hat for six months now."

Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here, this is the war room!

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I didn't have in mind an intervention or a boxing match, I thought about a debate, a political one, in which GL would discuss the issue politely... of course, they could always go to Jerry Springer:

Jerry: Tonight, our topic is, "Filmakers that f(BEEP)ked my childhood". We have Bob here, he's 34 years old, lives in his parents basement, and is pissed of with GL. Tell us why, Bob.

Bob (wearing a ROTS t-shirt): That's right Jerry. You see, Mr. Lucas decided to change the original trilogy adding some crappy CGI and more scenes of Greedo shooting Han Solo first, and decided to vanish with the original, classical movies we all loved.

Jerry: Well, we have a surprise for you. Directly from the Skywalker Ranch, he agrred to be with us today... here's George Lucas!

(George Lucas comes in, people boo him. Bob gets up and picks up a chair)

Bob: You muthaf(BEEP)ka!! You c(BEEP)ksucking piece of s(BEEP)t! (throws chair at GL)

GL: Oh, so you want a piece of me? You want a f(BEEP)ing piece of me? Well f(BEEP)k you too, you fat loser! I screwed with your f(BEEP)ing childhood, yes, and I'm proud of it! F(BEEP)k you all! I'm from hollywood, I have the brains!
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
I didn't have in mind an intervention or a boxing match, I thought about a debate, a political one, in which GL would discuss the issue politely... of course, they could always go to Jerry Springer:

Jerry: Tonight, our topic is, "Filmakers that f(BEEP)ked my childhood". We have Bob here, he's 34 years old, lives in his parents basement, and is pissed of with GL. Tell us why, Bob.

Bob (wearing a ROTS t-shirt): That's right Jerry. You see, Mr. Lucas decided to change the original trilogy adding some crappy CGI and more scenes of Greedo shooting Han Solo first, and decided to vanish with the original, classical movies we all loved.

Jerry: Well, we have a surprise for you. Directly from the Skywalker Ranch, he agrred to be with us today... here's George Lucas!

(George Lucas comes in, people boo him. Bob gets up and picks up a chair)

Bob: You muthaf(BEEP)ka!! You c(BEEP)ksucking piece of s(BEEP)t! (throws chair at GL)

GL: Oh, so you want a piece of me? You want a f(BEEP)ing piece of me? Well f(BEEP)k you too, you fat loser! I screwed with your f(BEEP)ing childhood, yes, and I'm proud of it! F(BEEP)k you all! I'm from hollywood, I have the brains!


That's great.

I knew what you had in mind, and I think it's a great idea. I was just lamely trying to be humorous.
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I'm offended by that stereotype...
I'm only 24 and I live in my parent's attic.

Ahh, no I'm not offended.
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Ricarleite, would you be mad if I made a movie based off of this?

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that would be a great idea...
but seriously if someone sat down and had a debate with Lucas...

but he cant obviously have preplanned responses...
otherwise there would be no point...
but i know for a fact Lucas would be stumbling over his own words if confronted with the issue..
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I really wish that someone would pin Lucas down on some of these issues, but I don't see that happening.
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Come to think of it, beyond Leonard Maltin I really don't remember a good Lucas interview. Does he do them?

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Ricarleite, would you be mad if I made a movie based off of this?


Of course not! Go ahead! And if you need any help, just ask me.
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Does he do them?


prolly only if he knows what questions are going to be asked ahead of time....
just so that his PR people can plan all his responses...
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I sense much anger here...

But seriously, I understand your desire for the OT's, I myself want them as well, and have signed the pettition. However, it is only common sense that Lucas is releasing the SE around the time of the Prequels... they have to tie in with them and changes are required to polish them up, and make somethings work.

My argument here is that it seems as though people are more focused on ripping apart GL, and digging up any unreliable source that they can find to do so, rather then promoting the release of the OT. Lucas might already have plans for it... how do we know? He is notorious for keeping secrets. There have been many "official" hints to it in recent days. I personally believe that he will release them when the prequels have completed their rounds.

What lucas said many years ago is not in anyway pertantent to today. People change. We see things very differently as time goes on. Who cares "if" he said that however long ago. I said only 2 years ago that I would never get married... well, I'm getting married in January. Should I stick to what I said 2 years ago (I know that most will say YES! don't do it... haha!,) or should I be able to reflect on what I said and be able to change my decission and take all that I have learned since then and apply it. I saw marriage differently back then... I now recant my words.

It just sounds as thought you are arguing GL's "right" to change his films, rather than asking him to release his original work. You keep going back to: "We don't mind that he changed his films; we just want the OT as well." Well, throughout these boards it unfortunately reads like a GL bashing session on the changes he made to his films, and not an expression to GL to release the OT.

Bring on the OT! I'm all for it... and believe it will certainly happen.

I don't mean to rustle feathers or be a player hater; I just wanted to put a different view on the board.

Peace guys!