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Pirates of the Caribbean and the Political Correctness Craze — Page 11

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Han and Gringo have a little chat.

The blue elephant in the room.

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DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ll go with when they acquired Marvel. That’s when they got incredibly obnoxious to me, but I suppose they’ve been evil for longer than that.

I place the birth of modern Disney after the end of the Disney Renaissance, when they stopped making traditionally animated films and started producing pop tarts like Miley Cyrus.

That’s at about the same time, isn’t it? She was in the late 2000s, wasn’t she?

I think the Marvel acquisition happened a couple years after her big debut, but yeah, essentially around the same time.

Weird, almost like the same time you guys became adults. But there definitely isn’t a connection there.

Disney shoving revolting products into my face every which way I turn isn’t connected with me becoming an adult.

I don’t see how what they’re doing now is much different than what they’ve always done.

EDIT: I also hate how they’ve handled Star Wars and I hate how they handle their classic movies and I hate how they’re remaking all of their animated features into boring CGI and live-action films.

The handling of Star Wars lies in LFL, not Disney. I’m not sure what they’ve done to their classic movies? Remaking their animated features isn’t entirely new (101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book), and CGI is pretty much the only way to tackle some of those stories.

Basically, who gives a fuck.

Slathering their animated classics with DNR and questionable color correction to the point they don’t look like vintage animation anymore? And don’t get me started on Fantasia’s last so called restoration.
I can ignore the pointless remakes, but treat the the originals like the crown jewels they are.
If they did a live action The Black Cauldron I might be slightly interested in that though.

I don’t own any of their animated classics on BD so that was a legitimate question.

I was actually thinking recently that I’d like to get Fantasia, is there any good release of that?

Only on Laserdisc. 😉

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DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ll go with when they acquired Marvel. That’s when they got incredibly obnoxious to me, but I suppose they’ve been evil for longer than that.

I place the birth of modern Disney after the end of the Disney Renaissance, when they stopped making traditionally animated films and started producing pop tarts like Miley Cyrus.

That’s at about the same time, isn’t it? She was in the late 2000s, wasn’t she?

I think the Marvel acquisition happened a couple years after her big debut, but yeah, essentially around the same time.

Weird, almost like the same time you guys became adults. But there definitely isn’t a connection there.

Disney shoving revolting products into my face every which way I turn isn’t connected with me becoming an adult.

I don’t see how what they’re doing now is much different than what they’ve always done.

EDIT: I also hate how they’ve handled Star Wars and I hate how they handle their classic movies and I hate how they’re remaking all of their animated features into boring CGI and live-action films.

The handling of Star Wars lies in LFL, not Disney. I’m not sure what they’ve done to their classic movies? Remaking their animated features isn’t entirely new (101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book), and CGI is pretty much the only way to tackle some of those stories.

Basically, who gives a fuck.

You can say “who gives a fuck” about anything. Obviously I’m not losing sleep over this, but I still find it lazy and revolting the way they suck the soul out of great classics and then regurgitate them as boring shells of their former selves. And Disney’s shadow looms large over Lucasfilm.

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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ll go with when they acquired Marvel. That’s when they got incredibly obnoxious to me, but I suppose they’ve been evil for longer than that.

I place the birth of modern Disney after the end of the Disney Renaissance, when they stopped making traditionally animated films and started producing pop tarts like Miley Cyrus.

That’s at about the same time, isn’t it? She was in the late 2000s, wasn’t she?

I think the Marvel acquisition happened a couple years after her big debut, but yeah, essentially around the same time.

Weird, almost like the same time you guys became adults. But there definitely isn’t a connection there.

Disney shoving revolting products into my face every which way I turn isn’t connected with me becoming an adult.

I don’t see how what they’re doing now is much different than what they’ve always done.

EDIT: I also hate how they’ve handled Star Wars and I hate how they handle their classic movies and I hate how they’re remaking all of their animated features into boring CGI and live-action films.

The handling of Star Wars lies in LFL, not Disney. I’m not sure what they’ve done to their classic movies? Remaking their animated features isn’t entirely new (101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book), and CGI is pretty much the only way to tackle some of those stories.

Basically, who gives a fuck.

You can say “who gives a fuck” about anything.

exactly, I find it very annoy when people do that.

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moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’ll go with when they acquired Marvel. That’s when they got incredibly obnoxious to me, but I suppose they’ve been evil for longer than that.

I place the birth of modern Disney after the end of the Disney Renaissance, when they stopped making traditionally animated films and started producing pop tarts like Miley Cyrus.

That’s at about the same time, isn’t it? She was in the late 2000s, wasn’t she?

I think the Marvel acquisition happened a couple years after her big debut, but yeah, essentially around the same time.

Weird, almost like the same time you guys became adults. But there definitely isn’t a connection there.

Disney shoving revolting products into my face every which way I turn isn’t connected with me becoming an adult.

I don’t see how what they’re doing now is much different than what they’ve always done.

EDIT: I also hate how they’ve handled Star Wars and I hate how they handle their classic movies and I hate how they’re remaking all of their animated features into boring CGI and live-action films.

The handling of Star Wars lies in LFL, not Disney. I’m not sure what they’ve done to their classic movies? Remaking their animated features isn’t entirely new (101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book), and CGI is pretty much the only way to tackle some of those stories.

Basically, who gives a fuck.

You can say “who gives a fuck” about anything. Obviously I’m not losing sleep over this, but I still find it lazy and revolting the way they suck the soul out of great classics and then regurgitate them as boring shells of their former selves. And Disney’s shadow looms large over Lucasfilm.

Using strong words like “revolting” and “hate” makes it sound like you give a lot of a fuck, which is silly. I personally don’t think they’ve changed in any significant way. It just seems like a ridiculous complaint to make.

As for LFL, I suppose it depends on what you dislike about their output.

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I like to use strong language.

EDIT: I also hate how Disney is monopolizing the industry and buying up every entity in sight.

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Maybe someday Disney can buy Google and rule the world.

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Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

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moviefreakedmind said:

I like to use strong language.

EDIT: I also hate how Disney is monopolizing the industry and buying up every entity in sight.

Don’t disagree with you there.

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Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place.

But it is something Disney has continued. They have had the rights to Star Wars for multiple years and we still don’t have a release of the oot.

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dahmage said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m going to go on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride and scream at the animatronics like I have schizophrenia. It’s my form of protest.

Don’t forget to make a video of it. And also to film vertically.

Actually you shouldn’t film vertically. it might seem easier to hold your phone that way, but it is actually quite annoying to watch things that were filmed that way. There is a thing referred to as Vertical Video Syndrome and i fear you have it.

=p

I think you knew I was being non-serious, but answered as though I was.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I hate modern Disney.

I think Disney knows. As a child I got excited by the castle opening of their movies. Classic Disney was great. If Disney was still held in such regard, it would have been proud to start TFA and TLJ with its Disney castle in lieu of the necessarily omitted Fox fanfare.

Disney often makes movies that they don’t use the Disney logo for. They didn’t even use it for Who Framed Roger Rabbit? but used their Touchstone Pictures brand instead.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

dahmage said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m going to go on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride and scream at the animatronics like I have schizophrenia. It’s my form of protest.

Don’t forget to make a video of it. And also to film vertically.

Actually you shouldn’t film vertically. it might seem easier to hold your phone that way, but it is actually quite annoying to watch things that were filmed that way. There is a thing referred to as Vertical Video Syndrome and i fear you have it.

=p

I think you knew I was being non-serious, but answered as though I was.

I’m happy he did, because that video is great.

Ceci n’est pas une signature.

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Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

I can appreciate that the prequels at least came from somewhere that wasn’t a corporate board-room meeting. Rogue One being almost entirely reshot is an example of the soulless corporate meddling and the lack of any real vision. I get that the films are more competently made, but there’s nothing particularly interesting, memorable, or stylistic about the technical aspects so it doesn’t mean too much to me since I find the Disney movies at least as boring as the PT. I also think that the PT was slightly more creative than the new movies, and that means something to me.

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chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I hate modern Disney.

I think Disney knows. As a child I got excited by the castle opening of their movies. Classic Disney was great. If Disney was still held in such regard, it would have been proud to start TFA and TLJ with its Disney castle in lieu of the necessarily omitted Fox fanfare.

Disney often makes movies that they don’t use the Disney logo for. They didn’t even use it for Who Framed Roger Rabbit? but used their Touchstone Pictures brand instead.

But if there were warm fuzzy feelings about Disney, using their logo to replace the Fox fanfare would have been perfect.

The blue elephant in the room.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

Rogue One being almost entirely reshot

That didn’t happen. Just normal reshoots and a rethinking about the ending.
Maybe you’re thinking of Solo?

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Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I hate modern Disney.

I think Disney knows. As a child I got excited by the castle opening of their movies. Classic Disney was great. If Disney was still held in such regard, it would have been proud to start TFA and TLJ with its Disney castle in lieu of the necessarily omitted Fox fanfare.

Disney often makes movies that they don’t use the Disney logo for. They didn’t even use it for Who Framed Roger Rabbit? but used their Touchstone Pictures brand instead.

But if there were warm fuzzy feelings about Disney, using their logo to replace the Fox fanfare would have been perfect.

I don’t think the Disney logo sets the right mood for Star Wars.
For me, the Fox logo and fanfare are a part of the films and the Disney logo and music just doesn’t have that feel. It’s great for Peter Pan and Sleeping Beauty, but wouldn’t work for Star Wars.

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Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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ray_afraid said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

Rogue One being almost entirely reshot

That didn’t happen. Just normal reshoots and a rethinking about the ending.
Maybe you’re thinking of Solo?

I’ve heard that most of Solo was reshot, but a lot of Rogue One was reshot too, and I doubt just the ending and “normal reshoots”. Granted, we’ll never know because it’s classified information, but I suspect the cartoon Peter Cushing, the entire ending, the Darth Vader scene were added later along with most of the fan service.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Possessed said:

Why do you find specifically Disney’s treatment of star wars so bad compared to before? We didn’t have the oot then either, so yes that’s bad but it’s not something Disney put in place. And I understand you don’t like the sequel trilogy and while I do I understand people not liking it but I don’t see how anybody could rationally say they aren’t better than the prequels. Even if they are less original than the prequels, they are way more competently made.

I can appreciate that the prequels at least came from somewhere that wasn’t a corporate board-room meeting. Rogue One being almost entirely reshot is an example of the soulless corporate meddling and the lack of any real vision.

[citation needed on all fronts]

I swear, some people see “Disney” anywhere on the product and just automatically assume the corporate suits made the whole thing while the actual filmmakers were locked in the janitor’s closet.