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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 236

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trimboNZ said:

Mrebo said:

You’ve undermined your thesis that people are merely conditioned to like lower frame rates. People readily accepted talkies and color.

Not even slightly. Both colour and talkies were fiercely resisted at first. Chromophobia was the popular position among artists of the time. Of course, all three advances make the films appear closer to real life and therefore further diminish the illusion of stepping away from reality for two hours. Amusingly the same happened to a lesser extent with the migration of television to HD - people complained how sharp and fake it looked.

But I’ve probably derailed this thread long enough. Do you think we’re likely to see more weaponized hyperdrives in canon now?

You do know many silent films originally had color tinting?

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SilverWook said:

trimboNZ said:

Mrebo said:

You’ve undermined your thesis that people are merely conditioned to like lower frame rates. People readily accepted talkies and color.

Not even slightly. Both colour and talkies were fiercely resisted at first. Chromophobia was the popular position among artists of the time. Of course, all three advances make the films appear closer to real life and therefore further diminish the illusion of stepping away from reality for two hours. Amusingly the same happened to a lesser extent with the migration of television to HD - people complained how sharp and fake it looked.

But I’ve probably derailed this thread long enough. Do you think we’re likely to see more weaponized hyperdrives in canon now?

You do know many silent films originally had color tinting?

And when sound film was starting to become a thing, one of its detractors was disparaging talking, but praised that you could use it to include musical scores with the film to add emotion.

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Matt.F said:

‘Mega Destroyer Incursion’ deleted scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yPL5tVo_E

What a wonderful and expansive set! Real shame this scene didn’t stay in (at least the first part until the doors close). Must have been some serious $ dollars to shoot this scene, with the scale and all the extras, left on the cutting room floor.

The Officer in the white uniform is a good British TV character actor too, he had a recurring role in Ricky Gervais The Office.

LOL! That was great. Funny and tense at the same time. Pity they cut it.

Ok, watching through it, that’s not the scene of Finn being mistaken for an officer I swore made it into the film. (I haven’t had a chance to look at the official Blu-Ray, so I can’t comment on what the scene I was thinking of was.)

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flametitan said:

SilverWook said:

trimboNZ said:

Mrebo said:

You’ve undermined your thesis that people are merely conditioned to like lower frame rates. People readily accepted talkies and color.

Not even slightly. Both colour and talkies were fiercely resisted at first. Chromophobia was the popular position among artists of the time. Of course, all three advances make the films appear closer to real life and therefore further diminish the illusion of stepping away from reality for two hours. Amusingly the same happened to a lesser extent with the migration of television to HD - people complained how sharp and fake it looked.

But I’ve probably derailed this thread long enough. Do you think we’re likely to see more weaponized hyperdrives in canon now?

You do know many silent films originally had color tinting?

And when sound film was starting to become a thing, one of its detractors was disparaging talking, but praised that you could use it to include musical scores with the film to add emotion.

SilverWook said:

Matt.F said:

‘Mega Destroyer Incursion’ deleted scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yPL5tVo_E

What a wonderful and expansive set! Real shame this scene didn’t stay in (at least the first part until the doors close). Must have been some serious $ dollars to shoot this scene, with the scale and all the extras, left on the cutting room floor.

The Officer in the white uniform is a good British TV character actor too, he had a recurring role in Ricky Gervais The Office.

LOL! That was great. Funny and tense at the same time. Pity they cut it.

Ok, watching through it, that’s not the scene of Finn being mistaken for an officer I swore made it into the film. (I haven’t had a chance to look at the official Blu-Ray, so I can’t comment on what the scene I was thinking of was.)

Silent films were never truly silent. Even the most humble of theaters had a guy playing a piano below the screen. Seeing a silent film in one of those movie places with a full blown pipe organ or orchestra ought to be on my bucket list.

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oojason said:
‘Finn vs. Phasma presented by VIZIO | Star Wars: The Last Jedi’… (and the set too)

I like Phasma; she’s been woefully underutilized. Too bad she’s getting the heave-ho in my reedit, cuz l’m ditching the entire Star Destroyer infiltration subplot.

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trimboNZ said:
Do you think we’re likely to see more weaponized hyperdrives in canon now?

A great concept . . . that unfortunately seems out of place in the SW universe. If such a thing can be done, why don’t warships have hyperdrive missiles?

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Gothamknight said:

trimboNZ said:
Do you think we’re likely to see more weaponized hyperdrives in canon now?

A great concept . . . that unfortunately seems out of place in the SW universe. If such a thing can be done, why don’t warships have hyperdrive missiles?

I think the idea is that the size of the Raddus is what allowed it to do such damage.

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DominicCobb said:

Gothamknight said:

trimboNZ said:
Do you think we’re likely to see more weaponized hyperdrives in canon now?

A great concept . . . that unfortunately seems out of place in the SW universe. If such a thing can be done, why don’t warships have hyperdrive missiles?

I think the idea is that the size of the Raddus is what allowed it to do such damage.

The problem with that scene from a scientific perspective is that it’s strongly implied that a Hyperdrive is literally able to accelerate objects up to and past the speed of light, instead of opening a tunnel into another dimension.

Even a paperclip accelerated to 99% the speed of light would do catastrophic damage to the Supremacy.

A ship the size of the Raddus going the speed of light would be a more deadly weapon than the Death Star.

Where do ships get the energy to go so fast, and if they have this vast energy, why don’t they have more effective weapons? Furthermore, if Hyperspace travel turns any ship into a planet-decimating missile, every space-faring planet would long have been turned into Swiss cheese from ships coming out of hyperspace slightly too late.

This was all a lot more simple when Hyperdrives were just used for travel, and everyone could concoct their own reasons for why they weren’t used as weapons.

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Wouldn’t know, stopped reading his post there.

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DominicCobb said:

You lost me at “scientific perspective.”

It’s not even necessary to invoke science. Logic will do just fine. Fantasy movies do not have to adhere to science, but they have to make logical sense in-universe.

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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

You lost me at “scientific perspective.”

It’s not even necessary to invoke science. Logic will do just fine. Fantasy movies do not have to adhere to science, but they have to make logical sense in-universe.

True, that’s exactly why I’m okay with it.

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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

You lost me at “scientific perspective.”

It’s not even necessary to invoke science. Logic will do just fine. Fantasy movies do not have to adhere to science, but they have to make logical sense in-universe.

True, that’s exactly why I’m okay with it.

Funny, it’s why I’m not. It’s not the worst of TLJ’s offenses in my view, and it’s a stunning visual moment in the film, but it sadly fits with what I percieve to be RJ’s general disregard for the in-universe rules established by Lucas over the last four decades.

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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

You lost me at “scientific perspective.”

It’s not even necessary to invoke science. Logic will do just fine. Fantasy movies do not have to adhere to science, but they have to make logical sense in-universe.

True, that’s exactly why I’m okay with it.

Funny, it’s why I’m not. It’s not the worst of TLJ’s offenses in my view, and it’s a stunning visual moment in the film, but it sadly fits with what I percieve to be RJ’s general disregard for the in-universe rules established by Lucas over the last four decades.

I’m not at which point in the previous six Lucas films they establish that this isn’t possible, but whatever.

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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

You lost me at “scientific perspective.”

It’s not even necessary to invoke science. Logic will do just fine. Fantasy movies do not have to adhere to science, but they have to make logical sense in-universe.

True, that’s exactly why I’m okay with it.

Funny, it’s why I’m not. It’s not the worst of TLJ’s offenses in my view, and it’s a stunning visual moment in the film, but it sadly fits with what I percieve to be RJ’s general disregard for the in-universe rules established by Lucas over the last four decades.

I’m not at which point in the previous six Lucas films they establish that this isn’t possible, but whatever.

I think NeverarGreat made very clear, why it is somewhat of an issue for some of us, but since you stopped reading after the “scientific perspective” part, you probably missed the point he was making, but…

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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

You lost me at “scientific perspective.”

It’s not even necessary to invoke science. Logic will do just fine. Fantasy movies do not have to adhere to science, but they have to make logical sense in-universe.

True, that’s exactly why I’m okay with it.

Funny, it’s why I’m not. It’s not the worst of TLJ’s offenses in my view, and it’s a stunning visual moment in the film, but it sadly fits with what I percieve to be RJ’s general disregard for the in-universe rules established by Lucas over the last four decades.

I’m not at which point in the previous six Lucas films they establish that this isn’t possible, but whatever.

I think NeverarGreat made very clear, why it is somewhat of an issue for some of us, but since you stopped reading after the “scientific perspective” part, you probably missed the point he was making, but whateverrrrrr…

Having read it now, I don’t think that’s really the case, but whatever.

(also, when I say “whatever,” I don’t say it in that valley girl way, it’s basically just a shortening of “whatever you say, if that’s how you want to view it,” but whatever)

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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

You lost me at “scientific perspective.”

It’s not even necessary to invoke science. Logic will do just fine. Fantasy movies do not have to adhere to science, but they have to make logical sense in-universe.

True, that’s exactly why I’m okay with it.

Funny, it’s why I’m not. It’s not the worst of TLJ’s offenses in my view, and it’s a stunning visual moment in the film, but it sadly fits with what I percieve to be RJ’s general disregard for the in-universe rules established by Lucas over the last four decades.

I’m not at which point in the previous six Lucas films they establish that this isn’t possible, but whatever.

I think NeverarGreat made very clear, why it is somewhat of an issue for some of us, but since you stopped reading after the “scientific perspective” part, you probably missed the point he was making, but whateverrrrrr…

Having read it now, I don’t think that’s really the case,

Fine, I can respect that.

but whatever.

(also, when I say “whatever,” I don’t say it in that valley girl way, it’s basically just a shortening of “whatever you say, if that’s how you want to view it,” but whatever)

Ah oke, I misunderstood. My apologies.

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TV’s Frink said:
I take it you quoted my post without continuing to read first.

DrDre’s post wasn’t there when I hit Reply.

They told me they’d fixed it!

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You must have left your post there several minutes then before actually posting it, but ok.

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TV’s Frink said:

You must have left your post there several minutes then before actually posting it, but ok.

About 45 minutes evidently. Turns out the Preview Post button is right next to Submit Your Reply.

They told me they’d fixed it!