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CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

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oojason said:

This may be of use/interest to some of you discussing Pardons etc…

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon-information-and-instructions

and the ‘Contact Us’ section may help get you some of the answers you are seeking (there is also an FAQ section too).

That page is for the “normal” pardon process, which Saucier wasn’t actually eligible for. What he got was a “political” pardon, which bypasses the whole vetting process described on that page. Whether the political pardons are qualitatively different than normal pardons in terms of their implications is an issue people could argue about, but I’d say most don’t.

I don’t think that’s right at all. There’s the presidential pardon. That page outlines the procedures for seeking it. The president may waive the requirements but that doesn’t make them irrelevant either.

I think what I said matches what you said, just with different words. There’s one pardon with different paths to getting it. The terms “normal” and “political” refer to the paths, not the pardons. Some might argue that the path you followed to get the pardon colors the pardon, but not me.

We are getting away from politics, I hope Dom doesn’t notice.

But Saucier did apply the normal way. Per the link the was denied the waiver for the five year waiting period but then the DOJ unilaterally restarted processing the application. So it was normal except for the unilateral decision to reverse on the waiver decision. More clearly political than many other pardons, but not outside the rules described on the page. So oojason was correct! You’re right that politics played a huge role here.

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Mrebo said:

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Ah, nice one - thanks for the explanation mate 😃

How does one seek a royal prerogative of mercy? Asking for a friend.

a substantial donation to the political party in power at the time (or family member of high ranking politician) usually does it mate 😉

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7700137.stm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/23/drug-barons-haase-bennett
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3331678/Convicted-drug-dealer-bribed-former-Home-Secretary-Michael-Howard-for-early-release.html

I thought Elizabeth was above that! Maybe the problem is she is merely a figurehead? If so, maybe you all should consider giving her more power.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Ehm… https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/us/nra-sues-florida-gun-law/index.html

(CNN) - The National Rifle Association is suing the state of Florida after Gov. Rick Scott signed Senate Bill 7026 into law Friday, the first gun control legislation enacted in the state after the Parkland school massacre on February 14.

“This bill punishes law-abiding gun owners for the criminal acts of a deranged individual,” executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action Chris W. Cox said. “Securing our schools and protecting the constitutional rights of Americans are not mutually exclusive.”

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Collipso said:

Ehm… https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/us/nra-sues-florida-gun-law/index.html

(CNN) - The National Rifle Association is suing the state of Florida after Gov. Rick Scott signed Senate Bill 7026 into law Friday, the first gun control legislation enacted in the state after the Parkland school massacre on February 14.

“This bill punishes law-abiding gun owners for the criminal acts of a deranged individual,” executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action Chris W. Cox said. “Securing our schools and protecting the constitutional rights of Americans are not mutually exclusive.”

I’m staying on the sidelines of this one. That law probably makes Florida schools more dangerous, just not due to the provisions that are being challenged by the NRA.

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Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Ah, nice one - thanks for the explanation mate 😃

How does one seek a royal prerogative of mercy? Asking for a friend.

a substantial donation to the political party in power at the time (or family member of high ranking politician) usually does it mate 😉

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7700137.stm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/23/drug-barons-haase-bennett
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3331678/Convicted-drug-dealer-bribed-former-Home-Secretary-Michael-Howard-for-early-release.html

I thought Elizabeth was above that! Maybe the problem is she is merely a figurehead? If so, maybe you all should consider giving her more power.

Liz may be - though she is just a figure head in reality.

Strangely enough I myself may be able to help your ‘friend’ - for I am a Nigerian Prince in exile am a cousin of a high ranking politician - whose party are currently in power. Just send £400,000 via paypal (mark it a gift 😉) and say no more…

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com | Introduce yourself in here | Useful info within : About : Help : Site Rules : Fan Project Rules : Announcements
How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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CatBus said:

Collipso said:

Ehm… https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/09/us/nra-sues-florida-gun-law/index.html

(CNN) - The National Rifle Association is suing the state of Florida after Gov. Rick Scott signed Senate Bill 7026 into law Friday, the first gun control legislation enacted in the state after the Parkland school massacre on February 14.

“This bill punishes law-abiding gun owners for the criminal acts of a deranged individual,” executive director of the NRA Institute for Legislative Action Chris W. Cox said. “Securing our schools and protecting the constitutional rights of Americans are not mutually exclusive.”

I’m staying on the sidelines of this one. That law probably makes Florida schools more dangerous, just not due to the provisions that are being challenged by the NRA.

At least the law requires both a school district and local sheriff’s office approve before teachers are allowed to have guns. Florida seems like a crazy place so I don’t know if that possibility is remote. I wonder how the family of the coach who died feels about the program being named after him.

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oojason said:

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Ah, nice one - thanks for the explanation mate 😃

How does one seek a royal prerogative of mercy? Asking for a friend.

a substantial donation to the political party in power at the time (or family member of high ranking politician) usually does it mate 😉

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7700137.stm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/23/drug-barons-haase-bennett
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3331678/Convicted-drug-dealer-bribed-former-Home-Secretary-Michael-Howard-for-early-release.html

I thought Elizabeth was above that! Maybe the problem is she is merely a figurehead? If so, maybe you all should consider giving her more power.

Liz may be - though she is just a figure head in reality.

Strangely enough I myself may be able to help your ‘friend’ - for I am a Nigerian Prince in exile am a cousin of a high ranking politician - whose party are currently in power. Just send £400,000 via paypal (mark it a gift 😉) and say no more…

I just got to googling whether Meghan Markle might ever become your queen. No definite answer but sounds plausible. If all goes well with the lotteries tonight or tomorrow night, the money will be headed your way. Let’s not tell Jay about this.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Ah, nice one - thanks for the explanation mate 😃

How does one seek a royal prerogative of mercy? Asking for a friend.

a substantial donation to the political party in power at the time (or family member of high ranking politician) usually does it mate 😉

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7700137.stm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/23/drug-barons-haase-bennett
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3331678/Convicted-drug-dealer-bribed-former-Home-Secretary-Michael-Howard-for-early-release.html

I thought Elizabeth was above that! Maybe the problem is she is merely a figurehead? If so, maybe you all should consider giving her more power.

Liz may be - though she is just a figure head in reality.

Strangely enough I myself may be able to help your ‘friend’ - for I am a Nigerian Prince in exile am a cousin of a high ranking politician - whose party are currently in power. Just send £400,000 via paypal (mark it a gift 😉) and say no more…

I just got to googling whether Meghan Markle might ever become your queen. No definite answer but sounds plausible. If all goes well with the lotteries tonight or tomorrow night, the money will be headed your way. Let’s not tell Jay about this.


 

Meghan Markle won’t become a Princess (and therefore unlikely to become a Queen) - like the late Lady Diana Spencer was never officially Princess Diana - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42150762.

It’s all weird the whole Royal thing - though there’s likely some 1000 year old precedent somewhere in which it could happen - or a King Ralph style situation 😃

A little patience goes a long way on this old-school Rebel base. If you are having issues finding what you are looking for, these will be of some help…

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How do I do this?’ on the OriginalTrilogy.com; some info & answers + FAQs - includes info on how to search for projects and threads on the OT•com

A Project Index for Star Wars Preservations (Harmy’s Despecialized & 4K77/80/83 etc) : A Project Index for Star Wars Fan Edits (adywan & Hal 9000 etc)

… and take your time to look around this site before posting - to get a feel for this place. Don’t just lazily make yet another thread asking for projects.

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I’ve wondered how movies like that played on the other side of the pond. Then again, someone I used to know in the UK told me they love Austin Powers there. 😛

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oojason said:

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Ah, nice one - thanks for the explanation mate 😃

How does one seek a royal prerogative of mercy? Asking for a friend.

a substantial donation to the political party in power at the time (or family member of high ranking politician) usually does it mate 😉

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7700137.stm
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/23/drug-barons-haase-bennett
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3331678/Convicted-drug-dealer-bribed-former-Home-Secretary-Michael-Howard-for-early-release.html

I thought Elizabeth was above that! Maybe the problem is she is merely a figurehead? If so, maybe you all should consider giving her more power.

Liz may be - though she is just a figure head in reality.

Strangely enough I myself may be able to help your ‘friend’ - for I am a Nigerian Prince in exile am a cousin of a high ranking politician - whose party are currently in power. Just send £400,000 via paypal (mark it a gift 😉) and say no more…

I just got to googling whether Meghan Markle might ever become your queen. No definite answer but sounds plausible. If all goes well with the lotteries tonight or tomorrow night, the money will be headed your way. Let’s not tell Jay about this.


 

Meghan Markle won’t become a Princess (and therefore unlikely to become a Queen) - like the late Lady Diana Spencer was never officially Princess Diana - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42150762.

It’s all weird the whole Royal thing - though there’s likely some 1000 year old precedent somewhere in which it could happen - or a King Ralph style situation 😃

In order for Meghan Markle to become Queen, wouldn’t she have to be related by blood to the Royals somehow, and have everyone in the line of succession above her die? (That is if we are talking about becoming THE Queen like Elizabeth II)

However, I think if her future husband Harry became King(which would happen if Elizabeth II, Prince Charles, Prince William, and William’s kids all die), then I think she would get the title of Queen. The wives of King George V and King George VI were Queens.

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With all the shit that Trump has said and done, why does this matter in the slightest?

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All the stuff Trump has done matters(I have never said otherwise) and so does this(but I agree the stuff Trump matters more)

She claims to be partly Native American, it is not unreasonable to request that she proves it.

Btw, there is talk of her making a run at the Democratic nomination of President.

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Warbler said:

She claims to be partly Native American, it is not unreasonable to request that she proves it.

lets change our perspective here: is it reasonable to require someone to take a genetic test? NO

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

She claims to be partly Native American, it is not unreasonable to request that she proves it.

lets change our perspective here: is it reasonable to require someone to take a genetic test? NO

When the person in question is a major politician and claims to be a part of minority race that she looks nothing like? Yes.

Btw, I am not talking forcing her by law or court order or some such.

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Tell me, if Trump claimed to be partly African American wouldn’t everyone in here say that he should either take DNA test or fess up?

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Warbler said:

Tell me, if Trump claimed to be partly African American wouldn’t everyone in here say that he should either take DNA test or fess up?

No because he lies about everything and it never matters so who gives a shit if Warren is telling the truth about this or not.

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Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

She claims to be partly Native American, it is not unreasonable to request that she proves it.

lets change our perspective here: is it reasonable to require someone to take a genetic test? NO

When the person in question is a major politician and claims to be a part of minority race that she looks nothing like? Yes.

Btw, I am not talking forcing her by law or court order or some such.

just the court of public opinion then?

i mean, this doens’t really matter in the slightest. I am fairly confident that Elizabeth Warren did not kowningly lie about her herritage, but if she did, we can’t know that from a test. I mean, her family history that tells her that she is part cherokee could be simply mistaken. So why should she take a test? there is no upside to that.

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dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

She claims to be partly Native American, it is not unreasonable to request that she proves it.

lets change our perspective here: is it reasonable to require someone to take a genetic test? NO

When the person in question is a major politician and claims to be a part of minority race that she looks nothing like? Yes.

Btw, I am not talking forcing her by law or court order or some such.

just the court of public opinion then?

Yep, just the court of public opinion.

i mean, this doens’t really matter in the slightest.

I don’t know, but maybe actual Native Americans don’t want politicians to falsely claim to be a member of their group? (I can’t claim that to be the case, but others in the thread can’t claim that not to be the case.

I am fairly confident that Elizabeth Warren did not kowningly lie about her herritage, but if she did, we can’t know that from a test. I mean, her family history that tells her that she is part cherokee could be simply mistaken.

How do we know her family history really says that? How do we know she didn’t make the whole thing up?

So why should she take a test? there is no upside to that.

If the DNA came back positive, we’d know she was telling the truth, if came back negative we’d know odds are that she made the whole thing up.

If she is not lying, why not take the test? What does she have to hide?

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I like Warb’s consistency in wanting politicians to be forthright.

This is a story that mostly amuses me. Warren is such a pitbull and looks for any pretense to tear apart those she disagrees with. She identified as Native American in professional settings and even Native Americans have been miffed by that. Nice seeing her get a taste of her own medicine. Like most politicians she doesn’t want to admit mistake or apologize.

I have a modicum of sympathy because I know people who strongly believe themselves to be Native American and associate with that culture. The trouble is that it is based on a vague family story and after several generations any amount of Native American DNA may be undetectable.

Warren made a fool of herself in holding herself out as Native American but it’s not the biggest story. She doesn’t have the skill of Obama to turn it into a seemingly profound teaching moment so it will haunt her.

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My grandmother for years said we were like 1/32 native american… something about her having a grandmother named “Hawk” or some such. Well, my sister just took a test and it turns out we have absolutely zero native american DNA. Apparently this is a common story.

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But what is Warren’s claim exactly? Her claim is that “These are my family stories. This is what my brothers and I were told by my mom and my dad.” That her mom’s family was part Native American, that her Dad’s family opposed their relationship on those grounds, etc, etc. Could be true, could be a boilerplate star-struck lovers romance story using Native American ancestry as some gloss for something less interesting. Native Americans have been used symbolically in storytelling for centuries, why should family histories be exempt?

So let’s say Warren takes the test, and she’s got no Native American ancestry. It may or may not mean that her parents were liars, it may just mean they were mistaken, or that someone even further back was a liar. I don’t see how it says much about Warren herself other than she believed a story her parents told her, considering (and I disagree with Warb here) that it was pretty plausible. A small amount of ancestry from any source is unlikely to be visible at all.

Let’s say she takes the test, and she’s got Native American ancestry. That’s just time to move the goalposts. Do the tests have an error rate? (yes they do, BTW) Was the percentage detected lower than that required to claim tribal membership? Why did she wait so long to take it? Does she have some sort of embarrassing medical condition that could be detected in her blood? Did she fake the test with someone else’s blood? Benghazi!

I think Warren believes, correctly, that taking the blood test will no more end the story than being thoroughly investigated and cleared by the FBI. There is no upside to being an active part of the story. The only possible outcomes are that she may prove that her parents were mistaken and get called a liar for it, or prove that they weren’t and get called a liar for it.

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It’s a massive non-issue. If Trump said he was part Native American I probably wouldn’t care either. I think most would assume he made it up because he has a history of making things up. Warren does not. It’s odd to assume that she personally made it up when stories like this are incredibly common, especially in places like Massachusetts (that of parents telling their kids they’re part Native and so forth), partly because they’re not hard to believe.

If Warren was still going around playing up her “heritage,” I think it’d be a different story. But the only people talking about it are Republicans, obviously just in an effort to bring her down and/or make fun of her (Trump’s “Pocahontas” remarks).

She has no obligation whatsoever to take a DNA test. Why should she? That can’t end well. All my life my dad’s told me he’s half French (therefore I a quarter). A few months ago he took a DNA test. Turns out he’s not French at all.