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Help Wanted: '2001: A Space Odyssey' - 35mm Preservation (original 1968 prints obtained) (* unfinished project *) — Page 5

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Don’t tell me the film collapsed before we got to scan it!

Ol’ George has the GOUT, I see.

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So I still haven’t seen this yet and I was wondering what the best version out there currently is.

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clutchins said:

So I still haven’t seen this yet and I was wondering what the best version out there currently is.

70mm is best and not 35mm.

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RayRogers said:

clutchins said:

So I still haven’t seen this yet and I was wondering what the best version out there currently is.

70mm is best and not 35mm.

Sorry, I should have specified that I wanted to watch 2001 in the near future and I meant out of the currently available blu-rays and preservations out there, which one is the best.

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clutchins said:

RayRogers said:

clutchins said:

So I still haven’t seen this yet and I was wondering what the best version out there currently is.

70mm is best and not 35mm.

Sorry, I should have specified that I wanted to watch 2001 in the near future and I meant out of the currently available blu-rays and preservations out there, which one is the best.

The Blu-ray was released at the time of the HD physical format wars. The image is from an older scan which is derived from a 35mm source and been used for the DVD which matches it. The PCM is the best for it since it’s uncompressed audio and the features are great. Still waiting for a 4K or greater scan from the OCN of the 70mm print to be used in a later UHD+BD combo.
Honestly don’t know anything at all about the image quality from any preservations. Blu-ray disc of course and also the follow-up, 2010. The books are great too and obviously have differences but the movies are meant to compliment them. 2001, 2010, 2061, and 3001.

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Why would they go back to a 35mm source when the last couple of Laserdisc releases were 70mm scans?

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From the MGM first letterbox LD onwards they’ve used 65mm elements.
The BD or any release is a good starting point but it mist be understood that unless you go with the Criterion, corrected MGM LDs or their DVD that there have been slight alterations to color and the sound mix. These are very slight to less so but 99% of people have no idea. It’s not quite as blatant as what happened to the other Warner owned Kubrick titles.
This isn’t to say that any release is perfect but at this stage with Barry Lyndon going to Criterion and not only fixing the aspect ratio, including mono but using the new scan more effectively-it is possible for 2001 to be done correctly.

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That’s interesting as I long thought the 1985 Japanese LD (the first letterbox version released) came from a 35mm element as there’s no intermission break. The LDDB says a 70mm print was used.
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/31594/G158F5509/2001:-A-Space-Odyssey
Long ago I had read that nobody had made a telecine capable of handling 70mm before the 1990’s.

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captainsolo said:

From the MGM first letterbox LD onwards they’ve used 65mm elements.
The BD or any release is a good starting point but it mist be understood that unless you go with the Criterion, corrected MGM LDs or their DVD that there have been slight alterations to color and the sound mix. These are very slight to less so but 99% of people have no idea. It’s not quite as blatant as what happened to the other Warner owned Kubrick titles.
This isn’t to say that any release is perfect but at this stage with Barry Lyndon going to Criterion and not only fixing the aspect ratio, including mono but using the new scan more effectively-it is possible for 2001 to be done correctly.

Would be best if WB handled a 4K remaster theirselves so they could release this also in UHD format too from 70mm source elements. Criterion, for some weird reason, won’t release any titles they’ve scanned 4K resolution or greater on the UHD format.
BUT, A Clockwork Orange also had a 4K remaster but they used the older 2K master for the current 2-Disc BD. Only way to see how the 4K remaster looks is on a documentary on the second disc.

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So 2001 is coming out on UHD. What are we doing about the film audio?

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I saw one of the screenings of the 70mm just last night. After I got back home, I checked my dinky galaxy s8 to see if the 4k restoration trailer from Chris Nolan was anywhere near accurate. I can say without a shadow of doubt, this is the most accurate film transfer I have ever seen. Of course the quality was lacking in terms of digital vs crystal clear (and stuttery) celluloid film. There is no revisionism in terms of white balance, crushed blacks or anything, except for an exceptional clean up job of dust and scratches. The old bluray definitely stinks of revisionism and modern standards of the time. I’m glad we had someone like Chris Nolan overseeing the whole thing. Wish we had someone just like that for the beloved original trilogy… 😒

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FrankT said:

So 2001 is coming out on UHD. What are we doing about the film audio?

The UHD will feature the original 6-track theatrical audio mix.

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I saw one of the screenings of the 70mm just last night. After I got back home, I checked my dinky galaxy s8 to see if the 4k restoration trailer from Chris Nolan was anywhere near accurate. I can say without a shadow of doubt, this is the most accurate film transfer I have ever seen. Of course the quality was lacking in terms or digital vs crystal clear (and stuttery) celluloid film. There is no revisionism in terms of white balance, crushed blacks or anything, except for an exceptional clean up job of dust and scratches. The old bluray definitely stinks of revisionism and modern standards of the time. I’m glad we had someone like Chris Nolan overseeing the whole thing. Wish we had someone just like that for the beloved original trilogy… 😒

But are you certain the 70mm print doesn’t have faded elements?

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For the most part. There was no signs of mold or any type of aging aside from dirt, dust, and one frame near the beginning that seemed damaged. According to this source and some others I saw, Chris Nolan had access to the original negatives and produced new prints in reopened kodak labretories in India.

https://www.slashfilm.com/2001-revisited-in-70mm/

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The ON has to be faded by now. The only proper color reference would be an archival three strip technicolor print.

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Hi, if you were able to receive an original 1968 print, is there any chance you can look/search for the trims? Someone out there may have (some of) them.

Kubrick and Warner should release them, integrated into the film, but I doubt they will.

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Given Kubrick’s meticulousness in removing the hospital scene from The Shining after it’s opening weekend in 1980, (it was only playing around L.A. and New York at the time) I’d be amazed if any uncut 2001 prints are around. Stranger things have happened of course!

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