Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 660

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

Death and violence is not going to end, subject to a total remaking of the world.

Indeed mate - though many places in the world thankfully don’t have as many (or anywhere near the number of) school shootings.

We should focus on making schools safe! For the particular story I’m commenting on, would we rather this domestic dispute happened off campus? Sure, but I don’t think that’s the most important thing that happened her. Nor would I have been more pleased if a car or knife had been used.

The inference was that maybe US schools should take a look at other schools and countries around the world - and ask why they have fewer school shootings.

And the shooting at the Michigan School is not a domestic dispute - going on the news report that Collipso linked to it happened at school, yes?

The better outcome is to not have a dispute with guns involved at all, right?

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

Death and violence is not going to end, subject to a total remaking of the world.

Indeed mate - though many places in the world thankfully don’t have as many (or anywhere near the number of) school shootings.

We should focus on making schools safe! For the particular story I’m commenting on, would we rather this domestic dispute happened off campus? Sure, but I don’t think that’s the most important thing that happened her. Nor would I have been more pleased if a car or knife had been used.

I’m sure the survivor(s) would have been much more pleased if a car or knife had been used.

People can’t be killed by knives and domestic violence can’t happen at a school. Learn something new everyday!

Mrebo said:

People can’t be killed by knives and domestic violence can’t happen at a school. Learn something new everyday!

The rate of death is lower with knives than guns. Learning is a process that should never stop. And apparently non sequiturs about domestic violence can happen anywhere at all.

TV’s Frink said:

It’s harder to kill someone with a knife than a gun and it’s even harder to kill lots of people with a knife than a gun. This should be extremely obvious, but since it’s not, learn something new every day!

Well the event I’m still addressing concerns 2 people killed, not lots. In general it’s easier to kill someone with a gun, but it is easy with a knife too. The differing amount of effort is no consolation to a dead person.

TV’s Frink said:

It’s harder to kill someone with a knife than a gun and it’s even harder to kill lots of people with a knife than a gun. This should be extremely obvious, but since it’s not, learn something new every day!

What about a double-barrel knife launcher? or a knife-tossing trebuchet?

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

People can’t be killed by knives and domestic violence can’t happen at a school. Learn something new everyday!

The rate of death is lower with knives than guns. Learning is a process that should never stop. And apparently non sequiturs about domestiic violence can happen anywhere at all.

You cannot say that there is any greater chance these two people who are now dead would be alive if not for the gun. You can’t.

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

It’s harder to kill someone with a knife than a gun and it’s even harder to kill lots of people with a knife than a gun. This should be extremely obvious, but since it’s not, learn something new every day!

Well the event I’m still addressing concerns 2 people killed, not lots. In general it’s easier to kill someone with a gun, but it is easy with a knife too. The differing amount of effort is no consolation to a dead person.

When the increased time, effort, and struggle means the attempt failed on one of the intended victims, it may not console the victim (assuming there is one), but as I said earlier, the survivor may think differently.

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

People can’t be killed by knives and domestic violence can’t happen at a school. Learn something new everyday!

The rate of death is lower with knives than guns. Learning is a process that should never stop. And apparently non sequiturs about domestiic violence can happen anywhere at all.

You cannot say that there is any greater chance these two people who are now dead would be alive if not for the gun. You can’t.

Well, technically you’re right. I’m typing it, not saying it.

As a non-gun person, this is about reason and logic. It’s emotion and fear when any story involving a gun is said to prove that guns need to be banned.

Mrebo said:

oojason said:

Mrebo said:

Death and violence is not going to end, subject to a total remaking of the world.

Indeed mate - though many places in the world thankfully don’t have as many (or anywhere near the number of) school shootings.

We should focus on making schools safe! For the particular story I’m commenting on, would we rather this domestic dispute happened off campus? Sure, but I don’t think that’s the most important thing that happened her. Nor would I have been more pleased if a car or knife had been used.

This will sound really morbid, but at least if a knife were used, you could take solace in the fact that, if you were a witness, you need only maintain a safe distance of a few feet from the criminal to be pretty much safe. And, you would likely survive even if you were stabbed.

TV’s Frink said:

I just don’t understand why people love their guns so madly that they can’t listen to reason or logic.

Well, that’s half of the frustration. What we’re ultimately talking about here is an entertainment device. Like a frisbee golf course that happens to be lethal. After a few thousand people die on the frisbee golf course, people may reasonably want to shut it down.

But there are people out there who really like frisbee golf. They will say, hey, some guy got struck by lightning on a soccer field one time. And two swimmers got attacked by a shark this year alone. And yeah, all three lived, but they totally could have died. All sports are potentially lethal, why pick on this one frisbee golf course just because a few thousand people died?

Mrebo said:

As a non-gun person, this is about reason and logic. It’s emotion and fear when any story involving a gun is said to prove that guns need to be banned.

The story doesn’t prove anything that wasn’t proven long ago, it just prompts questions about whether we’re going to do anything about it or kick the can down the road a few more years.

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

As a non-gun person, this is about reason and logic. It’s emotion and fear when any story involving a gun is said to prove that guns need to be banned.

The story doesn’t prove anything that wasn’t proven long ago, it just prompts questions about whether we’re going to do anything about it or kick the can down the road a few more years.

I do care about the Constitution’s protection of liberty too. If you wish to deny people a basic right of self defense or hunting with a gun, that will take a very long time no matter what party is in power. And sometimes people are going to hurt other people. If you want to talk about how certain kinds of guns or certain kinds of people pose a danger, fine. But the OMG a gun view doesn’t seem reasonable to me.

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

People can’t be killed by knives and domestic violence can’t happen at a school. Learn something new everyday!

The rate of death is lower with knives than guns. Learning is a process that should never stop. And apparently non sequiturs about domestiic violence can happen anywhere at all.

You cannot say that there is any greater chance these two people who are now dead would be alive if not for the gun. You can’t.

You know the saying “That guy brought a knife to a gunfight”. What do you think it means?

TM2YC said:

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

People can’t be killed by knives and domestic violence can’t happen at a school. Learn something new everyday!

The rate of death is lower with knives than guns. Learning is a process that should never stop. And apparently non sequiturs about domestiic violence can happen anywhere at all.

You cannot say that there is any greater chance these two people who are now dead would be alive if not for the gun. You can’t.

You know the saying “That guy brought a knife to a gunfight”. What do you think it means?

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