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Also, I don’t think I’d feel very safe around an armed guard, I’d probably feel less safe then I would without a guard. People with guns make me nervous, not because I’m afraid of guns, but because I can never know if they’re going to use them or what they’re going to use them for.
Ok, I will give this a real response.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
I don’t know why an armed cop would make you nervous. He/she has the gun in case the worst happened. As long as you behave yourself, you don’t need to worry.
I don’t trust that all cops will be totally sane/rational. If the guards were “extremely well trained and extensively background checked,” as you said, I think I’d be less averse to the idea. That said, I think “trained and background checked” is too vague to really have a discussion about, and it seems to me that it’s rooted in a ‘perfect world’ ideal without really considering how it would be done and how feasible it is.
obviously, a lot more details would need to be ironed out before going ahead with this.
I’m not saying that a cop is going to shoot a student (though I don’t doubt that it would happen), just that people with guns put me on edge.
And when you say “behave yourself,” what does that mean?
Obey direct orders from cops
Kids? Obeying direct orders? Doesn’t compute. And again, what happens if they don’t?
Depends on the situation. What I talking about was obeying direct orders in an emergency situation, like an active shooter.
When not in an active shooter situation, what would you have the guard doing?
Just be on normal guard duty, ready in case an active shoot situation occurred.
I don’t know if you read the article I posted, but it said that often, teachers would pawn off that responsibility of dealing with rowdy students over to the police.
I don’t think that is what should be done. The cops are there as a last resort in a dire situation.
The teachers don’t want to deal with the rowdy kids, but that absolutely shouldn’t be the job of an armed guard; what’s the solution?
teachers should be told to deal with normal kind of rowdy. When it is not not normal is when the cops should intervene.
What is “not normal?”
Not exactly sure, but basically when violence goes beyond the normal kind of violence that kids do in schools. Certainly if kids start fighting with deadly weapons like knives or guns, it is time for the cop to intervene.
What about a fistfight?
depends on how bad the fistfight get. I don’t think cops should let some big senior beat a small freshman to death.
And, to add onto that, should the police be arresting kids?
It depends if they committed an offense the merits arrest. I would hope you agree that if kid enters school with a gun with the intent to shoot other kids that it merits arrest.
Will they be shot? What if the guard feels threatened by a student?
unlikely.
It’s still something that should be addressed.
So should a nut trying to come in and murder doubt digit numbers of kids. But instead, the right blocks banning of guns, and it seems the left is unwilling to allow armed guards. So nothing will happen and more kids will die.
Those aren’t the only two options.
I’d like to know a third.
Regulation. Name any regulation, and that’s another option beyond just banning guns or having armed guards.
What regulation? like I said, banning guns isn’t going to happen. So what regulation would you suggest?
Best case scenario, I think, if guards were absolutely necessary and there was no way they weren’t gonna happen; would be that they never interact with the students. Lock them in a room or something, have them watch the security cameras. They’d be solely reserved for dealing with an active threat. Even then, it would still be colossally expensive, and for what? How many of these guards will actually get the chance to do their job? How many will be successful at their job?
The knowledge that they are there itself might prevent a shooting. You don’t see these nuts trying their rampages at a police station do you? Ever wonder why?
Because their trauma is school-related? They weren’t forced to go to a police station nearly every day for 13 years. They weren’t (presumably) bullied at a police station.
or maybe they known they wouldn’t be able to murder people in the double digits there before being stopped, isn’t that a possibility?
Sure, that’s probably part of the reason; but on the other hand, I don’t think these shooters are very familiar with rational thought or survival instinct.
all I know is that they don’t seem to attack places where armed people known to congregate.
