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Warbler said:

There is physical exertion involved in cooking/baking competitions are they now to be considered sports?

I would say a sport needs to have clearly definded rules, so that there are objective criteria to determine a winner. Winning a cooking competition has a lot to do with creativity, which cannot be objectively measured, so I’d say it’s not a sport. You could make a sport out of certain aspects of cooking, though. For example, who can cut the most onions in a given time.

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Frank your Majesty said:

Warbler said:

There is physical exertion involved in cooking/baking competitions are they now to be considered sports?

I would say a sport needs to have clearly definded rules, so that there are objective criteria to determine a winner. Winning a cooking competition has a lot to do with creativity, which cannot be objectively measured, so I’d say it’s not a sport. You could make a sport out of certain aspects of cooking, though. For example, who can cut the most onions in a given time.

There’s a lot of subjective criteria in Olympic sports already though.

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Yes, but not to the amount of a cooking competition, where the result is determined by the judges’ personal tastes. In dancing or figure skating, there is usually a bigger emphasize on technique.

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Frank your Majesty said:

Yes, but not to the amount of a cooking competition, where the result is determined by the judges’ personal tastes. In dancing or figure skating, there is usually a bigger emphasize on technique.

The only solution is to have the competitors make a dessert while skating.

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TV’s Frink said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Yes, but not to the amount of a cooking competition, where the result is determined by the judges’ personal tastes. In dancing or figure skating, there is usually a bigger emphasize on technique.

The only solution is to have the competitors make a dessert while skating.

0 technical points
2 points for style

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dahmage said:

TV’s Frink said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Yes, but not to the amount of a cooking competition, where the result is determined by the judges’ personal tastes. In dancing or figure skating, there is usually a bigger emphasize on technique.

The only solution is to have the competitors make a dessert while skating.

0 technical points
2 points for style

gah, the other category is articstic isn’t it. nuts. too late to fix it now.

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As for table tennis - don’t get me started. It is most certainly a sport. The level of fitness required to play at top level is pretty much like soccer. If you don’t believe that, simply go online and watch some world class matches. A lot of people think that the way they play at home is indicative of what it is like at a competitive level, when the two bear little resemblance.

This is doubly true for badminton. Many serious players won’t even play singles because it is too exhausting. Here too, watch a world class match and see the level of fitness and exertion on display. Badminton is one of the most aerobically-demanding sports one could choose.

As for chess, I was an expert-level tournament player for many years, and never considered it a sport. However, my view changed a bit during the first Karpov-Kasparov match, when the match had to be cancelled over fears of Karpov’s health. The length of the match, and the games, and the stress, Karpov had lost over 20 pounds (I think he was only 135 BEFORE the match) and had clinical exhaustion. Physical fitness is actually a factor because of the nature of the prolonged concentration and stress endured during an extended match. Top players train physically as well as mentally. I’m still not sure I’d call it a sport, though.

I can’t speak for curling, darts, videogaming, etc. because I am not knowledgeable in those areas. Therefore, based on my experience with people’s comments about table tennis, I am loathe to proclaim something in an area I know nothing about.

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I think we’re all in agreement that ping pong is a sport, no?

And curling? I don’t think that’s even up for debate.

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DominicCobb said:

I think we’re all in agreement that ping pong is a sport, no?

All I know is women can’t be as good at it because muscles.

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Collipso said:

Warb, men are physically more capable than women in several aspects, like you mentioned previously. Thats a fact. The thing is, sports judge those exact feats in which men are superior to women. Dahmage asked why is that, because that will inevitably make women “less capable” in sports than men since we’re judging something that men are biologically superior on, so of course women can’t keep up.

Sports just became what they are, there wasn’t any deep dark conspiracy to keep women down. This is sports we are talking about. SPORTS! Of course they are going to involve strength and speed. What the heck do you expect?

I personally think women might be naturally better shooters or better videogame players than men, so that’s why I mentioned videogames.

possibly, but why do you think women might better at those things than men?

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Frank your Majesty said:

Warbler said:

There is physical exertion involved in cooking/baking competitions are they now to be considered sports?

I would say a sport needs to have clearly definded rules, so that there are objective criteria to determine a winner. Winning a cooking competition has a lot to do with creativity, which cannot be objectively measured, so I’d say it’s not a sport. You could make a sport out of certain aspects of cooking, though. For example, who can cut the most onions in a given time.

there are multiple sports that are left to opinion to decide the winner. gymnastics, figure skating, boxing(if there is no KO or TKO). These things are left to judges to decide.

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TV’s Frink said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Yes, but not to the amount of a cooking competition, where the result is determined by the judges’ personal tastes. In dancing or figure skating, there is usually a bigger emphasize on technique.

The only solution is to have the competitors make a dessert while skating.

that would be weird.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

As for table tennis - don’t get me started. It is most certainly a sport. The level of fitness required to play at top level is pretty much like soccer. If you don’t believe that, simply go online and watch some world class matches. A lot of people think that the way they play at home is indicative of what it is like at a competitive level, when the two bear little resemblance.

This is doubly true for badminton. Many serious players won’t even play singles because it is too exhausting. Here too, watch a world class match and see the level of fitness and exertion on display. Badminton is one of the most aerobically-demanding sports one could choose.

As for chess, I was an expert-level tournament player for many years, and never considered it a sport. However, my view changed a bit during the first Karpov-Kasparov match, when the match had to be cancelled over fears of Karpov’s health. The length of the match, and the games, and the stress, Karpov had lost over 20 pounds (I think he was only 135 BEFORE the match) and had clinical exhaustion. Physical fitness is actually a factor because of the nature of the prolonged concentration and stress endured during an extended match. Top players train physically as well as mentally. I’m still not sure I’d call it a sport, though.

I wasn’t really talking about classical chess(where players have all day to make moves), I was talking about speed or blitz chess which sometimes requires players to move in a blur.

We need to set you up in a chess game with the ot.com official chess champion, Darth Ender.

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TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

I think we’re all in agreement that ping pong is a sport, no?

All I know is women can’t be as good at it because muscles.

I’m not sure how much muscles come into play in ping pong. But muscles do come into play in many other sports.

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My last serious game of chess was in 1994… I was playing a tournament and looked out the window and it was a beautiful day, I asked myself what I was doing sitting there moving pieces around on such a nice sunny day (literally true). My last rating was 2074, my highest was 2137 (if I remember right). I’d be lucky to break 1700 today - I can’t even remember the openings I used to play. It’s a whole new world now with the databases and the computers - I’ve never used any of them.

That said, I’d be willing to try a game with whomever. It would have to wait until the weekend as my workdays are killer right now.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

I think we’re all in agreement that ping pong is a sport, no?

All I know is women can’t be as good at it because muscles.

I’m not sure how much muscles come into play in ping pong. But muscles do come into play in many other sports.

Leg muscles are important in table tennis, especially for a defensive player.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

My last serious game of chess was in 1994… I was playing a tournament and looked out the window and it was a beautiful day, I asked myself what I was doing sitting there moving pieces around on such a nice sunny day (literally true). My last rating was 2074, my highest was 2137 (if I remember right). I’d be lucky to break 1700 today - I can’t even remember the openings I used to play. It’s a whole new world now with the databases and the computers - I’ve never used any of them.

That said, I’d be willing to try a game with whomever. It would have to wait until the weekend as my workdays are killer right now.

Then please come to the OTCF©®™ thread to discuss this with Darth Ender

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/OTcom-Chess-FederationcrtmOTCFcrtmwas-How-about-a-game-of-chess/id/16146/page/35

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Just saw on tv a Chinese Figure skating couple skating to Star Wars music 😃

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Warbler said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Warbler said:

There is physical exertion involved in cooking/baking competitions are they now to be considered sports?

I would say a sport needs to have clearly definded rules, so that there are objective criteria to determine a winner. Winning a cooking competition has a lot to do with creativity, which cannot be objectively measured, so I’d say it’s not a sport. You could make a sport out of certain aspects of cooking, though. For example, who can cut the most onions in a given time.

there are multiple sports that are left to opinion to decide the winner. gymnastics, figure skating, boxing(if there is no KO or TKO). These things are left to judges to decide.

Ok, but I would say that objective winning criteria can qualify something as a sport. Chess, darts, car racing and also video games do have objective criteria, that’s why I would call them sports.

Baking and figure skating don’t have such a clearly defined goal, so in order to call them sports, there have to be more aspects. A baking competition has a lot to do with creativity, which is impossible to objectively judge. In figure skating, you can at least look at the difficulty of the jumps and how well they are executed and they are trying to be make the judging more and more objective and transparent.

Another important difference between a baking competition and a sport with a jury is that in a baking competition, the final result is judged, while for the sport, the overall performance matters. That’s why the physical extortion during figure skating is an inherent part of it, while physical extortion during baking is more of a side-effect.

In the end, every sport relies on the interpretation of the rules by a referee, so there is no 100% objectivity.

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