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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 208

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dahmage said:

TWINIONENGINE said:

A sock puppet is when you’ve created a secondary avatar to interact with yourself secretly. That’s not what I’m doing…

I’ve needed to open a second account, because when the first one was banned I have no ability to message moderators or appeal anything. It forces you to create another account.

I’m not sure what a “temp ban” is. My first account was “permanently banned” as far as I can tell (with no messages, no warnings, no temp bans). I would just use that one to make an appeal to a mod if I could log in…

You know too much.

Yes, too old to begin the training.

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yhwx said:

dahmage said:

TWINIONENGINE said:

A sock puppet is when you’ve created a secondary avatar to interact with yourself secretly. That’s not what I’m doing…

I’ve needed to open a second account, because when the first one was banned I have no ability to message moderators or appeal anything. It forces you to create another account.

I’m not sure what a “temp ban” is. My first account was “permanently banned” as far as I can tell (with no messages, no warnings, no temp bans). I would just use that one to make an appeal to a mod if I could log in…

You know too much.

Yes, too old to begin the training.

😃

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Review of:
The Last of the Jedi

-pretty good YA series

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ElectroDroid said:

Review of:
The Last of the Jedi

-pretty good YA series

Oh good we’re back to ridiculous “look at me!” takes. Cool.

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ElectroDroid said:

TV’s Frink said:

ElectroDroid said:

TV’s Frink said:

ElectroDroid said:

Review of:
The Last of the Jedi

-pretty good YA series

Oh good we’re back to ridiculous “look at me!” takes. Cool.

It’s just my opinion. I know not everyone likes the series.

What.

Oh, I thought you knew I was joking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_of_the_Jedi

I read the first one back in the day. I think it actually qualifies as middle grade.

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I think I figured out a retcon to make sense of TESB and TFA. In universe when they refer to a system, they do not mean star system, but a group of worlds or moons as a political body. Otherwise the Falcon in TESB would have spent months or years traveling from Hoth to Bespin. but if Hoth, Anoat, and Bespin are all in one solar system but comprise 3 political bodies, then the Falcon can traverse that distance in days. The same with the people of Takodana seeing the blast that destroys the Hosnian system (which is portrayed as a planet with several moons). I still think Takodana should be further away than that and them seeing was a silly plot point.

How this quite relates to TFA, I’m not sure, but the discussion that was going on made me think about it.

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DominicCobb said:

canofhumdingers said:

yotsuya said:

NeverarGreat said:

joefavs said:

DominicCobb said:

On the one hand, maybe it drains remote suns just like how it destroys remote planets. But in that case, why does it drain its own sun? On the other hand, maybe it does move around to new suns, but in that case why doesn’t it completely drain the first sun it orbits like it does the second (Hux’s speech is in daylight)? To me it doesn’t matter much either way.

I honestly never thought it was two different stars. I just figured the star that they drained to destroy the Hosnian system was large enough that they were able to get two charges out of it.

But Finn claims that the weapon draws power from the sun until it disappears, implying that once the draining starts, it will not stop until the star is destroyed. Poe repeats this during their attack.

Stop and think for a moment. Using up two stars does not mean it had to move. It is possible that they found the ideal system with multiple stars to use with this weapons. They probably destroyed the smallest star first and from a larger one they might get several charges out of it. There is a big difference between Sol and Sirius. A star that might give one charge could be the companion of a star that can give sixty. And I never got the impression that the first star was destroyed as Starkiller base never went dark which it would if the sun was sucked dry. Sometimes science can be the friend of wild SF storytelling.

You keep mentioning how the sky never went dark, but… I thought we only saw it charge once? It was charged at some point off screen (same system or a different one? The film doesn’t answer this question and it’s really irrelevant. It could’ve been charged before the movie even started for all we know). It expends this charge when it fires on the Hosnian system. Then it begins draining the star that it currently orbits in order to fire on the resistance.

So, of course the sky never went dark. We only actually SAW it charging once, after it had fired.

Are you suggesting that it only somewhat drains the sun, and after a bit the sun builds back its energy so that it’s not dark anymore?

What? No. I have no idea what’s going on with this discussion anymore.

My point was this:

SKB charges up off screen by sucking up some other star. This probably happened before we ever saw SKB and it had already moved to another star while holding on to its charge. It fires on the Hosnian system. It then begins draining the star it’s currently orbiting in order to fire on the resistance. We only see the sky go dark during the final battle because that is the only charging cycle we actually see on screen.

I don’t remember if there’s any dialogue or something else in the film that might contradict this scenario. But this certainly seems like the most likely sequence of events to me.

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That’s certainly one way to interpret what he said…

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I think he may have read the first sentence. Maybe two?

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The article actually said what most of us interpreted it as anyway, there’s not exactly a huge amount of imagery to dissect.

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DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

It appears the the Pit scene with Rey may not have been intended to have some big meaning but rather just look cool.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/rian-johnson-gives-his-interpretation-of-reys-enigmatic-1822694943

Um… did you read that article?

Um…yes.

The story served the scene, not the scene served the story. From his telling of it, he wrote the story around being able to include this imagery and doesn’t have a concrete idea of what it means.

The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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TV’s Frink said:

I think he may have read the first sentence. Maybe two?

I didn’t read any of it, actually. I don’t read. I have news explained to me in short presentations so I don’t get bored.

The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

It appears the the Pit scene with Rey may not have been intended to have some big meaning but rather just look cool.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/rian-johnson-gives-his-interpretation-of-reys-enigmatic-1822694943

Um… did you read that article?

Um…yes.

The story served the scene, not the scene served the story. From his telling of it, he wrote the story around being able to include this imagery and doesn’t have a concrete idea of what it means.

You need to read what he said again.

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Hardcore Legend said:

TV’s Frink said:

I think he may have read the first sentence. Maybe two?

I didn’t read any of it, actually. I don’t read. I have news explained to me in short presentations so I don’t get bored.

This post is the first you’ve made on this topic that’s made any sense.

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DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

TV’s Frink said:

I think he may have read the first sentence. Maybe two?

I didn’t read any of it, actually. I don’t read. I have news explained to me in short presentations so I don’t get bored.

This post is the first you’ve made on this topic that’s made any sense.

That’s a different way of looking at it.

The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

TV’s Frink said:

I think he may have read the first sentence. Maybe two?

I didn’t read any of it, actually. I don’t read. I have news explained to me in short presentations so I don’t get bored.

This post is the first you’ve made on this topic that’s made any sense.

That’s a different way of looking at it.

Exactly what I thought of your first post about the article.

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TV’s Frink said:

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

TV’s Frink said:

I think he may have read the first sentence. Maybe two?

I didn’t read any of it, actually. I don’t read. I have news explained to me in short presentations so I don’t get bored.

This post is the first you’ve made on this topic that’s made any sense.

That’s a different way of looking at it.

Exactly what I thought of your first post about the article.

You clearly should re-read what I wrote and re-read the article in the first post.

The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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yotsuya said:

I think I figured out a retcon to make sense of TESB and TFA. In universe when they refer to a system, they do not mean star system, but a group of worlds or moons as a political body. Otherwise the Falcon in TESB would have spent months or years traveling from Hoth to Bespin. but if Hoth, Anoat, and Bespin are all in one solar system but comprise 3 political bodies, then the Falcon can traverse that distance in days. The same with the people of Takodana seeing the blast that destroys the Hosnian system (which is portrayed as a planet with several moons). I still think Takodana should be further away than that and them seeing was a silly plot point.

How this quite relates to TFA, I’m not sure, but the discussion that was going on made me think about it.

Sounds plausible.

Goes to show that trying to fit Star Wars into a scifi box doesn’t work too well though. Travel times were one area where they really played fast and loose in the OT. After reading your post I had to google and there are similar thoughts to yours. The official explanation was too convoluted: a (slow) backup hyperdrive.

As the stories build on each other, consistency is developed and audience expectations go up. I wonder if as a function of that and audiences being more jaded from decades of movie wizardry, that some of these things become more problematic than they were 1977-1983. I think that is an issue when it comes to TLJ, where new things suddenly seem implausible, inconsistent or plotholey - even when they demonstrably are not.

The slowness of the bombers bugged me, feeling like there was a game mechanic to make them really slow to compensate for their offensive power, because otherwise they would be OP. No great thing and certainly not a reason to hate the movie, but it was there.

The blue elephant in the room.