Absolutely the scariest thing. Obviously I’m not talking about the immediate threat, but I don’t think there’s much doubt that Kylo brought Luke more pain than Vader (I’m talking emotionally here).
I disagree. Vader in the end of TESB destroyed everything Luke believed in and everything in Luke’s world. He had possibly killed his best friend, told him that his dad was not a hero but a monster, made him see his master were liars, destroyed his base at the beginning of the movie, killed several of his friends… and Luke was a young, immature man (if you compare to what he should’ve been in TLJ).
So I highly doubt that the possible future he saw was worse than this. As selfless as anyone may be, we are always biased towards ourselves.
There’s a big difference between being 20 years old and falling on your ass and learning your dad’s a failure and being 50 years old and facing the possibility that you’re a failure and your life’s work has been meaningless.
yeah, that is what i was getting at with my previous post.
- first failure is hard, but he didn’t actually know his dad, and he was still young and in my mind, unwilling to accept the truth of his dad’s evilness, so he kinda muddled through with the stubborness of youth.
- second failure, brought back the first (which he probably didn’t think of a failure before, because he had won vader over right?), and amplified it, added extra layers of failure. People who think they are right all of the time, fail HARD.
Yes, but here’s the problem. Ben hadn’t really done anything by that point, so there was no reason to assume Luke would not continue to believe he could turn the tide. I can sort of accept your reasoning if Ben had crossed over to the dark side in both thought and action, but just the prospect should not be enough, considering Luke’s experiences.
I don’t think either of us are going to budge on this Dre. 😃
-You see Luke choosing to Kill (even if brief) based on the darkness he felt and pain and suffering he saw coming, as being antithetical to Jedi Master, especially Luke.
-I see Luke failing to control himself (briefly) based on the darkness he felt and the pain and suffering he saw coming, as being a believable break in the spirit of someone who seems to be able to do no wrong, but just failed.
I hope i am being fair to your point of view.
And Kylo’s reaction to this brief moment sealed the fate of the failure. Things were set in motion. Luke couldn’t explain anything, he got knocked out. Kylo destroyed everything and left. Luke knew that Kylo must have assumed Luke died, further cementing lukes belief in his utter failure. so he retreated.