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i love it!
Disney is not smart. You should never give out a map that proves the superweapon did not work that way in the EP7. From Starkiller Base to Hosnian Prime would be around 43.500 lightyears through the supermassive black hole in the galaxys core! Meh…
“LUKE… I’M SEEING HIM.
HE’S COMMANDING THE IMPERIAL FORCES… LIKE OUR FATHER!
I FEAR WE LOST HIM, HAN… I FEAR WE LOST EVERYTHING.”
It says “origin point”. If the planet consumes its star for firing, there needs to be a way to relocate the planet. Otherwise, the First Order spent an immeasurable amount of money and labour on a weapon that can fire only once. This clearly isn’t the case, as the weapon prepares to attack the Resistance base after the attack on the Republic. If we assume that they also tested the weapon sometime before the initial attack, the planet isn’t at it’s origin point anymore, when we see it for the first time.
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
Don’t try to rationalize Star Wars ! It’s fantasy in space…
Han: Hey Lando! You kept your promise, right? Not a scratch?
Lando: Well, what’s left of her isn’t scratched. All the scratched parts got knocked off along the way.
Han (exasperated): Knocked off?!
According to the novelization, the weapon’s beam rips a hole through hyperspace, allowing for near-instantaneous travel between points. The weapon doesn’t need to move to target. It needs to move to find a new energy source.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
Disney is not smart.
Lol.
It says “origin point”. If the planet consumes its star for firing, there needs to be a way to relocate the planet. Otherwise, the First Order spent an immeasurable amount of money and labour on a weapon that can fire only once. This clearly isn’t the case, as the weapon prepares to attack the Resistance base after the attack on the Republic. If we assume that they also tested the weapon sometime before the initial attack, the planet isn’t at it’s origin point anymore, when we see it for the first time.
Hi there,
you are right. It looks like the Starkiller can only fire one shot.
One shot one sun consumed. Thats the main point it wouldn’t work.
And i am far awy from nitpicking real physics (like… if the sun is gone, the gravity is very different and so on…) Like chyron8472 metioned, it needs to move for the next shot.
According to the novelization, the weapon’s beam rips a hole through hyperspace, allowing for near-instantaneous travel between points. The weapon doesn’t need to move to target. It needs to move to find a new energy source.
I don’t know the novelization but even if the weapon’s beam can fire through hyperspace (and if we forget, that Kylo can see the traveling beam) it would fire through the galaxies center (black hole) and travels 43.500 lightyears in barely a minute and hits precicely a bunch of planets (see… i am not nitpicking on the splitting beam).
meh…
But… if you want to justify all of this by saying “its a movie”, “fantasy” and all of that “blah blah” i have an addition: nobody on Takodana could see the destruction of Hosnian Prime. The visible light would take around 25.340 years to reach Maz Katanas Planet.
Greetings from the real world.
“LUKE… I’M SEEING HIM.
HE’S COMMANDING THE IMPERIAL FORCES… LIKE OUR FATHER!
I FEAR WE LOST HIM, HAN… I FEAR WE LOST EVERYTHING.”
That’s a long belated response if ever I read one.
But… if you want to justify all of this by saying “its a movie”, “fantasy” and all of that “blah blah” i have an addition:
I don’t understand how more physics-based points are supposed to be a rebuttal to “it’s fantasy so the science isn’t really that important”.
The solution to all of this is simply to watch Restructured instead! 😄
The solution to all of this is simply to watch Restructured instead! 😄
To ChainsawAsh you listen.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
LordPlagueis said:
The main problem with The Force Awakens is the unoriginal story. If I wanted to watch a movie where
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then I would simply watch A New Hope.
By that logic, The Force Awakens sucks and should be reviewed poorly as it is too similar to A New Hope. Also by that logic, A New Hope sucks and should be reviewed poorly as it is too similar to The Hidden Fortress.
No one criticizes ANH for borrowing too much from The Hidden Fortress, even though they are from entirely separate franchises (Lucas is in more wrong for stealing than Abrams). Most movie critics don’t care if it borrows, they simply judge the movie on its own. Which tells the story best? I think people need to stop hating on TFA purely because it’s “too much like ANH” and starting considering how it uses the plot to support it’s themes.
Very interesting analysis by Film Crit Hulk, talking a bit about the PT (mostly Ep3) and Ep7.
Now, let’s go to “Scene 2,” which is actually a climactic scene from George Lucas’ Revenge of the Sith. Yup, we’re going to talk about the prequels! Which I honestly feel like are the perfect examples of “bad texture” movies. Because, while I can make a few positive arguments for certain moments within them, nearly everything about the prequels falls flat. The vast majority of performances are monotone and stilted. The characters rarely feel like they’re in the environments they’re in (in a way that goes beyond VFX limitations to just the framing and composition). Heck, there’s so little kinetic energy to most of the filmmaking that everything feels like a live table read with special effects. What’s more, and a fact that I rarely see discussed regarding these movies, is how they were really just rough-as-hell first drafts that were written on yellow legal pads (really, check the special features). There never seemed to be any real rewriting or care that went into penning the script for more elegant textural depths.
But this also where it gets interesting, because we know George outlined heavily and worked on sequences from very early stages. And, knowing his career, George actually has a pretty damn keen story sense. So when you really look at the structure and the actual “story text,” you see he understands how to build a weirdly solid foundation. I swear if you were to outline these movies, you would see something shockingly functional with simple, clear mechanics. He even builds up confrontations where we know what everyone wants and is trying to do. And even though he’s largely using broad tropes, the story attached to those tropes has genuine meaning and thematic intention.
But dramatic clarity is not the issue of the prequels. Even though we have all the building blocks we could potentially need to build empathy, George just didn’t know how to bring any of it to life in a convincing way. It’s all text. No texture. This is somewhat ironic, given that, many years later, my argument for the problems with The Force Awakens would be the exact opposite. I’ve spoken about it at length before, but it was the ultimate “texture” movie. Perhaps, after the failings of the prequel, it was so important to them to nail everything about the look, feel and aesthetic of Star Wars (1977). And they certainly tried to bring it to life with verve, delight and emotion. But the clarity on the story level is a damn mess, largely because it used the patented J.J. Abrams mystery-box methodology of constantly aiming away from coherent drama and instead more toward random “surprises” (along with delaying important dramatic questions they don’t actually have any coherent answers to).
Complete text here: http://observer.com/2018/05/the-two-crucial-filmmaking-elements-causing-all-your-movie-feuds/
we know what everyone wants and is trying to do.
Wait is he talking about the prequels still here??
Yep. I think Anakin’s motivations about gaining more power is, for example, quite clear.
So it’s basically saying the prequels were a great concept but executed poorly, while the st is a poor concept but executed very well. I don’t entirely disagree with that, I wouldn’t say the st is an incoherent mess, but they certainly aren’t the most original. But they are executed for the most part well enough and with enough heart that I still find them enjoyable.
Sure but it’s not enough that they go through the motions and call each other liar/betrayer etc. I have no idea why Anakin believes what he does beyond the fact the story needs him to be in a robot suit after 130 minutes. Especially when some of the promises Palpatine fed him were so vague and outlandish.
The Thanos problem, yeah it’s similar. In some ways. But he at least does thing A to get macguffin B, and I see how that works. I don’t have to get over so many logic hurdles.
Very interesting analysis by Film Crit Hulk, talking a bit about the PT (mostly Ep3) and Ep7.
I agree with this completely.
I have no idea why Anakin believes what he does beyond the fact the story needs him to be in a robot suit after 130 minutes. Especially when some of the promises Palpatine fed him were so vague and outlandish.
EDIT: On second thoughts I’m worried my post was too off topic so I’m just gonna say “nah” and move on