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yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

His “name” is yhwx. It doesn’t get capitalized just because it’s the first word in the sentence. Doing so is kinda like kneeling when saying his name, it’s very disrespectful.

Yes.

sorry.

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Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

ray_afraid said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

But seriously, why are we actually discussing Oprah being elected? Why is anyone anywhere discussing it?

She made a big and inspiring speech.

meh.

Pfft. Good grief.

I just didn’t think it was that great or that moving. On a side note, I think I’d rather have someone just say thank you to whomever they feel need to be thanked when winning an award like a Golden Globe or an Oscar, instead of making a political speech. But that is just me.

It was a lifetime achievement award.

and not a victory speech after winning election to public office.

Have you even seen the speech?

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Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Actually, I thought that was what was being attempted with Hillary. As democrats go, she was pretty centrist.

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CatBus said:

Quite possibly the nation’s most blatant and aggressive gerrymander just got struck down.

http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/rucho-opinion.pdf

It will be appealed, of course. The real game in the appeal is not necessarily to reverse the ruling, but to try and delay any remedies until AFTER the 2018 elections have already taken place.

We’ll see what the Supreme Court does with the two partisan gerrymander cases it is looking at.

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DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

ray_afraid said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

But seriously, why are we actually discussing Oprah being elected? Why is anyone anywhere discussing it?

She made a big and inspiring speech.

meh.

Pfft. Good grief.

I just didn’t think it was that great or that moving. On a side note, I think I’d rather have someone just say thank you to whomever they feel need to be thanked when winning an award like a Golden Globe or an Oscar, instead of making a political speech. But that is just me.

It was a lifetime achievement award.

and not a victory speech after winning election to public office.

Have you even seen the speech?

yes.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Actually, I thought that was what was being attempted with Hillary. As democrats go, she was pretty centrist.

Hillary was hated by too many people.

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Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Actually, I thought that was what was being attempted with Hillary. As democrats go, she was pretty centrist.

Hillary was hated by too many people.

I think it’s entirely plausible that Oprah’s role in smuggling Uranium to Benghazi via secret e-mails to Vince Foster stored in a private server located in a pizzeria is something that might draw the attention of our crack congressional investigators, if her candidacy starts seeming serious. Then we’ll see how likable this Crooked Oprah is.

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CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Actually, I thought that was what was being attempted with Hillary. As democrats go, she was pretty centrist.

Hillary was hated by too many people.

I think it’s entirely plausible that Oprah’s role in smuggling Uranium to Benghazi via secret e-mails to Vince Foster stored in a private server located in a pizzeria is something that might draw the attention of our crack congressional investigators, if her candidacy starts seeming serious. Then we’ll see how likable this Crooked Oprah is.

But is her husband a creep?

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Alternatively, and probably more easily; get someone that actually excites the liberal base—get the non-voters to go out and vote. Going right isn’t always, or even usually, the answer.

the liberals alone can’t elect a President.

They managed to elect Trump by staying at home.

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Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Actually, I thought that was what was being attempted with Hillary. As democrats go, she was pretty centrist.

Hillary was hated by too many people.

I think it’s entirely plausible that Oprah’s role in smuggling Uranium to Benghazi via secret e-mails to Vince Foster stored in a private server located in a pizzeria is something that might draw the attention of our crack congressional investigators, if her candidacy starts seeming serious. Then we’ll see how likable this Crooked Oprah is.

But is her husband a creep?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stedman_Graham

He is also founder of Chicago, Illinois’s AAD (formerly, Athletes Against Drugs), a non-profit organization that provides services to youth and has awarded over $1.5 million in scholarships since its founding in 1985. It also arranged for sports figures to educate children about substance abuse.

Sounds suspiciously like a Clinton foundation-style bribe conduit to me. I’m sure Gowdy’s already been briefed.

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TM2YC said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Alternatively, and probably more easily; get someone that actually excites the liberal base—get the non-voters to go out and vote. Going right isn’t always, or even usually, the answer.

the liberals alone can’t elect a President.

They managed to elect Trump by staying at home.

You think they stayed home? I thought they voted for Hillary or the Green party.

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CatBus said:

Mrebo said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Actually, I thought that was what was being attempted with Hillary. As democrats go, she was pretty centrist.

Hillary was hated by too many people.

I think it’s entirely plausible that Oprah’s role in smuggling Uranium to Benghazi via secret e-mails to Vince Foster stored in a private server located in a pizzeria is something that might draw the attention of our crack congressional investigators, if her candidacy starts seeming serious. Then we’ll see how likable this Crooked Oprah is.

But is her husband a creep?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stedman_Graham

He is also founder of Chicago, Illinois’s AAD (formerly, Athletes Against Drugs), a non-profit organization that provides services to youth and has awarded over $1.5 million in scholarships since its founding in 1985. It also arranged for sports figures to educate children about substance abuse.

Sounds suspiciously like a Clinton foundation-style bribe conduit to me. I’m sure Gowdy’s already been briefed.

Oh, they’re not even married.

The blue elephant in the room.

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

ray_afraid said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

But seriously, why are we actually discussing Oprah being elected? Why is anyone anywhere discussing it?

She made a big and inspiring speech.

meh.

Pfft. Good grief.

I just didn’t think it was that great or that moving.

What was it about, Warbler?

Racism, sexism, sexual harassment/assault, “me too”, advancement of African Americans and women, etc.

So…stuff that doesn’t affect you?

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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

His “name” is yhwx. It doesn’t get capitalized just because it’s the first word in the sentence. Doing so is kinda like kneeling when saying his name, it’s very disrespectful.

Yes.

sorry.

I was half-kidding, I don’t think it’s necessarily disrespectful. However it is nice to use people’s names correctly. I always try to say adywan or _ender rather than Adywan or Ender because of that.

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Warbler said:

TM2YC said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Alternatively, and probably more easily; get someone that actually excites the liberal base—get the non-voters to go out and vote. Going right isn’t always, or even usually, the answer.

the liberals alone can’t elect a President.

They managed to elect Trump by staying at home.

You think they stayed home? I thought they voted for Hillary or the Green party.

Forbes had an article on this: “The Non-Voters Who Decided The Election: Trump Won Because Of Lower Democratic Turnout”

This pattern is national. Clinton’s black voter turnout dropped more than 11 percent compared to 2012. The support for Clinton among active black voters was still exceedingly high (87 percent, versus 93 percent for Obama), but the big difference was the turnout. Almost two million black votes cast for Obama in 2012 did not turn out for Clinton. According to one plausible calculation, if in North Carolina blacks had turned out for Clinton as they had for Obama, she would have won the state.

Not just North Carolina, but the more closely-contested states as well.

I live in a fairly liberal area, and I can say that at least here, we’ve been down on the Democratic Party for not really representing liberal values for some time, probably really escalating with Clinton. Bill Clinton. Sure, I get out there and vote for what I consider to be pretty conservative and even downright awful (but less awful!) candidates, but that’s because I’m angling for the Democratic Party to move to the left again, or at least stop moving to the right so fast. A lot of my peers have given up at this point – they think there will never be a liberal national political party in America in their lifetimes, and maybe they’re right (snark: especially if they never vote!). Not all non-voters are ideologically stuck indecisively between the two parties, or people without strong political views at all. They’re just Democrats from the seventies who are looking around for a party they recognize, and don’t see anything even close (snark: and apparently they also have trouble distinguishing between conservatives and fascists for crying out loud).

EDIT: Jill Stein was even a joke out here in Leftyville, although apparently not enough of one. Back in the Clinton years, we had a few leftists successfully run for office here as Republicans, because Republicans were desperate to have anyone. It got pretty awkward when the Democrats got outflanked by the Republicans on the left, but the Republicans started clamping down on ideological purity around the same time, so it was a short-lived phenomenon.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

ray_afraid said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

But seriously, why are we actually discussing Oprah being elected? Why is anyone anywhere discussing it?

She made a big and inspiring speech.

meh.

Pfft. Good grief.

I just didn’t think it was that great or that moving.

What was it about, Warbler?

Racism, sexism, sexual harassment/assault, “me too”, advancement of African Americans and women, etc.

So…stuff that doesn’t affect you?

Probably not as much as they do women and minorities, but I still consider them to be important issues.

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Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Alternatively, and probably more easily; get someone that actually excites the liberal base—get the non-voters to go out and vote. Going right isn’t always, or even usually, the answer.

the liberals alone can’t elect a President.

They can if all of them vote. Let’s say, hypothetically, that the country has an even 50/50 split between liberals and conservatives. The 20XX election rolls around, and neither liberals or conservatives are too happy about their choices; so there’s only a 50% voter turnout, with half of the votes being for the left-leaning candidate and the other half for the conservative. If the liberals were excited about their candidate, then more would go out and vote, tipping the election towards the left-wing candidate.

I think it’s much easier to get those non-voters to vote than to try and win over moderates and right-wingers. Besides, the Democrat party is already trying too hard to win moderates and right-wingers over, and they lost their identity in the process. There is no liberal party in America.

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Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Oprah appeals to the more liberal minded people. But if you want Trump gone, we need someone that will appeal to the moderate and conservative-light people. Obviously the liberals are going to vote for the Democrat whoever it is. But the moderates and conservative-light people need to be won over.

Alternatively, and probably more easily; get someone that actually excites the liberal base—get the non-voters to go out and vote. Going right isn’t always, or even usually, the answer.

the liberals alone can’t elect a President.

They can if all of them vote. Let’s say, hypothetically, that the country has an even 50/50 split between liberals and conservatives. The 20XX election rolls around, and neither liberals or conservatives are too happy about their choices; so there’s only a 50% voter turnout, with half of the votes being for the left-leaning candidate and the other half for the conservative. If the liberals were excited about their candidate, then more would go out and vote, tipping the election towards the left-wing candidate.

maybe. But I think you have a better chance at combining the liberal and the moderate, especial when the other choice is Trump.

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I’m not sure if you have to get liberals riled up for a particular candidate. You just have to get them to be really anti-Trump. Isn’t that what the Republicans did during Obama’s tenure?

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liberals are already anti-Trump.

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Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

ray_afraid said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

But seriously, why are we actually discussing Oprah being elected? Why is anyone anywhere discussing it?

She made a big and inspiring speech.

meh.

Pfft. Good grief.

I just didn’t think it was that great or that moving. On a side note, I think I’d rather have someone just say thank you to whomever they feel need to be thanked when winning an award like a Golden Globe or an Oscar, instead of making a political speech. But that is just me.

It was a lifetime achievement award.

and not a victory speech after winning election to public office.

Have you even seen the speech?

yes.

Well you have a very interesting interpretation of it.

yhwx said:

I’m not sure if you have to get liberals riled up for a particular candidate. You just have to get them to be really anti-Trump. Isn’t that what the Republicans did during Obama’s tenure?

A lot liberals have sticks in their asses about who they believe to be Acceptable Candidates.

You could argue that the moderates are more open to having someone that just isn’t Trump.

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DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

ray_afraid said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

But seriously, why are we actually discussing Oprah being elected? Why is anyone anywhere discussing it?

She made a big and inspiring speech.

meh.

Pfft. Good grief.

I just didn’t think it was that great or that moving. On a side note, I think I’d rather have someone just say thank you to whomever they feel need to be thanked when winning an award like a Golden Globe or an Oscar, instead of making a political speech. But that is just me.

It was a lifetime achievement award.

and not a victory speech after winning election to public office.

Have you even seen the speech?

yes.

Well you have a very interesting interpretation of it.

Sorry.

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DominicCobb said:

yhwx said:

I’m not sure if you have to get liberals riled up for a particular candidate. You just have to get them to be really anti-Trump. Isn’t that what the Republicans did during Obama’s tenure?

A lot liberals have sticks in their asses about who they believe to be Acceptable Candidates.

You could argue that the moderates are more open to having someone that just isn’t Trump.

This is true.