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So, did I get that right? You get the Blu-ray for free if you buy the 4K version?

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Hal 9000 said:

I think I got an analogy for how part of me feels about THE LAST JEDI.

I feel like the grandfather from The Princess Bride was in the middle of telling Fred Savage a story. He had to leave and he came back the next day. Except, it wasn’t him that came back, but Rick (of Rick and Morty).

I was with you until you said “Rick” and I’m like “I don’t know who that is.”

I was with you until you said “The Princess Bride” and I’m like “I have never seen this movie.”

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adywan said:

Mocata said:

The intro crawl theme didn’t sound like a new recording.

I watched the TFA/ TLJ double bill and have the TLJ soudntrack CD. It is NOT the same theme used

On the soundtrack they are the exact same. Not sure about in the movie, though. Very disappointing if so.

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TK-949 said:

So, did I get that right? You get the Blu-ray for free if you buy the 4K version?

I don’t think I’ve seen a 4K release without a BD. Which is why my most recent buy that was Wonder Woman, I bought in 4K even though I don’t have a player yet. Unfortunately those discs cost 50% more new and don’t come on sale almost ever that I’ve seen, while you can get BDs for 5-10 euros 6 months after their release.

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SilverWook said:

Wasn’t the original hologram footage shot on videotape though? I know it was shot off a tv screen to get the original effect.

I thought it was shot on film initially, then transferred.

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joefavs said:

Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky said:

Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.

This completely. The other thing about Ackbar is… I’m sorry guys, he’s kind of a joke. When he showed up in TLJ everyone laughed. I think a lot of peeople wouldn’t buy the drama of him in an expanded role.

JEDIT: I need to be better about keeping all my responses in one post, rather than 4 back to back.

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DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky said:

Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.

This completely. The other thing about Ackbar is… I’m sorry guys, he’s kind of a joke. When he showed up in TLJ everyone laughed. I think a lot of peeople wouldn’t buy the drama of him in an expanded role.

JEDIT: I need to be better about keeping all my responses in one post, rather than 4 back to back.

I don’t get this whole “He’s a well developed character already, he should have kamikazed the star destroyer” when he’s hardly a character at all. What do we know about him? What is his personality? It would have been the same as Holdo, but we could have gone “Oh, I’ve seen him before.”

Not enough people read the EU.

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joefavs said:

Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky said:

Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.

Probably why she didn’t get a proper ‘hero’ introduction as well. It’s a trade-off, but one I liked given where and how it’s taken: this is all Poe’s point of view - to the very end, and that’s why his turn into a proper leader works in the finale.

The more I think about it, the more I appreciate how well-written this film is.

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TavorX said:

After mulling over it some more, my view this film inches even more towards disappointment. The main crux for me all comes down to Luke and Kylo’s past. Okay so, Vader has tortured Leia, has blown up Leia’s home planet, has killed many of his fellow Rebel friends, has tortured Han and sent to Jabba’s, has sliced Luke’s hand off, etc. Vader has done some really horrible and twisted deeds, and Luke’s idealism never faltered, even when he was being electrocuted by the Emperor. "Father please!"
Luke’s unwavering determination and faith in his father to have the capacity to turn to the light was what finally convinced Vader to overthrow his master.
NOW…
An older, supposed wiser, Luke wants to murder his nephew in his sleep because he ‘felt’ some darkness in Kylo’s mind?? This isn’t even some random padawaan; his own family! Leia’s and Han’s! How the hell was he going to rationalize this act of murder to them?? Not without lying you couldn’t! I’m not even convinced or shown how Kylo was an issue in Luke’s academy prior to scary Luke the executioner shows up at Kylo’s bedside.

Regarding Luke… we’ve all had 30+ years since ROTJ to imagine what might have happened to the character, and with Star Wars being a fairy tale the default position naturally tends to be “lives happily ever after”.

Remember we are shown three versions of events, the night the Jedi school was destroyed. “Scary Luke” at the bedside is Kylo’s version of events… it’s not until the 3rd showing that we see the actual version of events. And that fleeting moment of doubt, where Luke saw the terrible dark side and thought to strike it down is presented as Luke’s great failure. He feels shame. He IS acting out of character - that is the whole point.

This has beautiful symmetry with Obi Wan. Both Obi Wan and Luke are living as hermits after a perceived failure (“I thought I could teach him as well as Yoda, I was wrong…”).

Luke does get to be a hero one last time, as does old Ben. In their final acts both stand against the might of the enemy to create a distraction so their friends can escape, Kenobi in the Death Star hangar and Luke at the gate of the mountain, and both sacrifice themselves in that moment.

I think Luke’s return - and character - in The Last Jedi, is perfect.

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DominicCobb said:

joefavs said:

Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky said:

Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.

This completely. The other thing about Ackbar is… I’m sorry guys, he’s kind of a joke. When he showed up in TLJ everyone laughed. I think a lot of peeople wouldn’t buy the drama of him in an expanded role.

JEDIT: I need to be better about keeping all my responses in one post, rather than 4 back to back.

I don’t recall anyone laughing at his scene at my theater, nor the four times I saw TFA.

And we just had a Mon Calamari in a dramatic role in Rogue One last year. That also may have had something to do with it.

Robot Chicken has played Ackbar for laughs, but that shouldn’t overshadow the films.

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Matt.F said:

TavorX said:

After mulling over it some more, my view this film inches even more towards disappointment. The main crux for me all comes down to Luke and Kylo’s past. Okay so, Vader has tortured Leia, has blown up Leia’s home planet, has killed many of his fellow Rebel friends, has tortured Han and sent to Jabba’s, has sliced Luke’s hand off, etc. Vader has done some really horrible and twisted deeds, and Luke’s idealism never faltered, even when he was being electrocuted by the Emperor. "Father please!"
Luke’s unwavering determination and faith in his father to have the capacity to turn to the light was what finally convinced Vader to overthrow his master.
NOW…
An older, supposed wiser, Luke wants to murder his nephew in his sleep because he ‘felt’ some darkness in Kylo’s mind?? This isn’t even some random padawaan; his own family! Leia’s and Han’s! How the hell was he going to rationalize this act of murder to them?? Not without lying you couldn’t! I’m not even convinced or shown how Kylo was an issue in Luke’s academy prior to scary Luke the executioner shows up at Kylo’s bedside.

Regarding Luke… we’ve all had 30+ years since ROTJ to imagine what might have happened to the character, and with Star Wars being a fairy tale the default position naturally tends to be “lives happily ever after”.

Remember we are shown three versions of events, the night the Jedi school was destroyed. “Scary Luke” at the bedside is Kylo’s version of events… it’s not until the 3rd showing that we see the actual version of events. And that fleeting moment of doubt, where Luke saw the terrible dark side and thought to strike it down is presented as Luke’s great failure. He feels shame. He IS acting out of character - that is the whole point.

This has beautiful symmetry with Obi Wan. Both Obi Wan and Luke are living as hermits after a perceived failure (“I thought I could teach him as well as Yoda, I was wrong…”).

Luke does get to be a hero one last time, as does old Ben. In their final acts both stand against the might of the enemy to create a distraction so their friends can escape, Kenobi in the Death Star hangar and Luke at the gate of the mountain, and both sacrifice themselves in that moment.

I think Luke’s return - and character - in The Last Jedi, is perfect.

Well said, Matt!

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m_s0 said:

joefavs said:

Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky said:

Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.

Probably why she didn’t get a proper ‘hero’ introduction as well. It’s a trade-off, but one I liked given where and how it’s taken: this is all Poe’s point of view - to the very end, and that’s why his turn into a proper leader works in the finale.

The more I think about it, the more I appreciate how well-written this film is.

Poe got a bunch of people killed because he was reckless and disobeyed orders. But it’s cool because ‘Ah, that’s just how Poe is, the little scamp’.

War does not make one great.

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I feel like the ST collectively (so far) feels jarring. TLJ is extremely well written and put together, and successfully executed its apparent goal of subverting what came before (including, no, especially) TFA. However, it does feel like a smartass taking a turn at telling the story (y’know, when people tell a story one sentence at a time).

I feel disappointed that I didn’t get the legendary Luke, and the movie actively wants me to feel that way, so I can’t fault it for that. I was someone who, when they announced they’d be doing 7, 8, and 9, ventured into the post-ROTJ EU to take in the broad strokes of the continuing adventures of the legendary Luke Skywalker. (This trailed off when they announced the EU was no longer canon at all, not that I was expecting them to be beholden to it. I figured they’d probably ignore the EU and contradict whatever they happen to contradict, leaving the EU to deal with it.) Luke is a different character here and the film deliberately thwarts everything that I went into this moving looking forward to. And… it did so in a series of 9 movies with only one left.

If your small town has an apple pie baking contest, and someone submits the best peach cobbler in the world… what do you do? I don’t know, this movie more than any previous one is hard to swallow, by design, which is good and bad which is good. I’ll have to chime in later after a week or more once I can sit with this.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I really hope on the Blu-Ray that they do a commentary track the writers and director so maybe they can shed some light on what they were thinking.

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Hal 9000 said:

I feel disappointed that I didn’t get the legendary Luke, and the movie actively wants me to feel that way, so I can’t fault it for that. I was someone who, when they announced they’d be doing 7, 8, and 9, ventured into the post-ROTJ EU to take in the broad strokes of the continuing adventures of the legendary Luke Skywalker. (This trailed off when they announced the EU was no longer canon at all, not that I was expecting them to be beholden to it. I figured they’d probably ignore the EU and contradict whatever they happen to contradict, leaving the EU to deal with it.) Luke is a different character here and the film deliberately thwarts everything that I went into this moving looking forward to. And… it did so in a series of 9 movies with only one left.

If your small town has an apple pie baking contest, and someone submits the best peach cobbler in the world… what do you do? I don’t know, this movie more than any previous one is hard to swallow, by design, which is good and bad which is good. I’ll have to chime in later after a week or more once I can sit with this.

Hal, Mad Max 2 was (and still is) one of my fave ever films, as a kid I wore out the video tape. When Mad Max 3 was released I went along with high expectations. I remember walking out of Mad Max 3 thinking WTF? It didn’t feel like a Mad Max film at all, it didn’t feel right.

However… repeat viewings have softened my stance, and I really enjoy the film now. It’s the old saying of “appreciate what it is, rather than what you wanted it to be”.

ps. Happy ending we did eventually get Mad Max: Fury Road, which was awesome from the first viewing!

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Too much disney cartoon humor, luke was out of character (for someone who turned biggest villain in history to wanting to kill a nephew teenager), i didnt care about his new character and leia didnt care for him also. casino planet was a nonsense, with kid slavery you can clearly see who is the movie ment for. had cringey moments and obviously rushed to kill off older characters so they can do their own disney adventure. yoda scene was absolutly whatever. New snow speeder scene is there for no reason.
Sadly i didnt like the movie yet again i am glad that now i am positive why i dont feel the new hype and why it is the last (jedi) star wars movie i will see in theater.

Assimilate THIS!

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Ryan said:

I really hope on the Blu-Ray that they do a commentary track the writers and director so maybe they can shed some light on what they were thinking.

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Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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Yoda Is Your Father said:

m_s0 said:

joefavs said:

Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky said:

Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.

Probably why she didn’t get a proper ‘hero’ introduction as well. It’s a trade-off, but one I liked given where and how it’s taken: this is all Poe’s point of view - to the very end, and that’s why his turn into a proper leader works in the finale.

The more I think about it, the more I appreciate how well-written this film is.

Poe got a bunch of people killed because he was reckless and disobeyed orders. But it’s cool because ‘Ah, that’s just how Poe is, the little scamp’.

It’s war, and that’s not his first, nor his only deed.

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Saw it yesterday. Went in absolutely spoiler-free. I feel deeply confused about TLJ. The movie did some unexpected things. I have to see it a second time.

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
The hallmark of a corrupt leader: Being surrounded by yes men.
‘The best visual effects in the world will not compensate for a story told badly.’ - V.E.S.
‘Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest.’ - SilverWook

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m_s0 said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

m_s0 said:

joefavs said:

Here’s a pretty good article about the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-part-wile-e-coyote-the-last-jedi-boldl-1821291545

RE: Ackbar vs. Holdo, the author of this piece has a good point in a response to a comment:

Ignatiy Vishnevetsky said:

Lotta folks seem to think that her role should have gone to good ol’ Admiral Ackbar, but I get Johnson’s intention: Everybody likes Ackbar, and the audience needs to be fooled into Poe’s point-of-view.

Probably why she didn’t get a proper ‘hero’ introduction as well. It’s a trade-off, but one I liked given where and how it’s taken: this is all Poe’s point of view - to the very end, and that’s why his turn into a proper leader works in the finale.

The more I think about it, the more I appreciate how well-written this film is.

Poe got a bunch of people killed because he was reckless and disobeyed orders. But it’s cool because ‘Ah, that’s just how Poe is, the little scamp’.

It’s war, and that’s not his first, nor his only deed.

If he kept pulling stuff like that in an actual war, his superiors would have him shot in the head.

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I had some issues after my initial viewing of The Last Jedi, but I think that was mostly due to a few surprises. When I saw it a second time, most of those issues went away. My only gripes right now are how bad Yoda looked, and that the new walkers didn’t really do anything but stand there.

Leia using the Force to save herself was awesome. I like the idea of Rey not having special parents. You don’t need special lineage to be special yourself.

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rodneyfaile said:
the new walkers didn’t really do anything but stand there.

This was something I thought afterwards but couldn’t confirm, did only the TIE Fighters attack instead of the walkers just shooting down the junk ships?